Israel Air Force to Participate in U.S. Drill Alongside Pakistani, U.A.E. Jets

[RiazHaq]

http://www.riazhaq.com/2014/08/did-pakistan-pilots-carry-out-uae-af.html


Did Pakistan Pilots Carry Out UAE AF Air Strikes in Libya?

UAE fighter jets flying from bases in Egypt carried out airstrikes in Libya a week ago, according to US media reports. Question: Did Pakistani pilots working for UAE participate in these missions?

Targets were hit in the Libyan capital of Tripoli secretly without without informing the Obama administration beforehand. The first wave of airstrikes hit positions in Tripoli controlled by insurgent militias, including a small weapons depot. The second wave targeted rocket launchers and military vehicles owned by militias, the New York Timesreports.


UAE Air Force F-16E Block 60
It is widely known that the vast majority of pilots working for the UAE Air Force are Pakistanis. The involvement of Pakistan Air Force in UAE began in 1970s with a training mission in the Gulf nation. Some of the servingPAF officers are on deputation, but most are on civilian contracts with the Air Force Headquarters in Abu Dhabi. Officers of other nationalities have also trained UAE pilots, among them Moroccans, Canadians, Jordanians, and South Africans.

After 1998 US-sanctions on Pakistan following its nuclear tests, the United States objected to plans by the United Arab Emirates air force to contract up to 200 Pakistan air force fighter pilots to fly F-16D Block 60 fighters it had ordered from Lockheed Martin. The deal was significantly delayed as UAE threatened to re-open the fighter competition to choose alternate suppliers. It was eventually resolved and the US agreed to deliver the purchased F-16s to UAE.

If Pakistanis indeed took part in these missions, it would raise several serious questions:

1. Were these PAF's serving pilots on deputation with UAE Air Force? Or retired officers on contract? If they were on deputation, did they seek permission from Pakistani government to accept these missions?

2. Will such missions drag Pakistan into ongoing Middle East conflicts and hurt Pakistan's interests in the region?

3. Will those targeted seek revenge against Pakistanis?

http://www.riazhaq.com/2014/08/did-pakistan-pilots-carry-out-uae-af.html

Although the results of such exercises (Red Flag in Las Vegas, NV) are rarely made public, the USAF jumped the gun. Just as it leaked the results of Cope India 2004, in November 2008 a video surfaced of a US Air Force officer talking in a generally condescending manner about the IAF. In particular five things that Col Terence Fornof said stick out:

The IAF has problems with its Russian jet engines
Indian pilots were prone to fratricide – shooting down friendly aircraft
The IAF required 60-second intervals between takeoffs, compared with half that for other air forces
The American F-15 can defeat the Su-30MKI, the most advanced fighter in the Su-30 series
IAF not keen on 1 vs 1 dogfights with the USAF.


http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/03/10/dissecting_a_dogfight_sukhoi_vs_usaf_at_red_flag_2008_33623.html

 

[New Resolve]

Is the UAE AF bringing their Mirage 2000-9, I really think we should buy their M2K-9's if the price is right.

 

[litman]

Please avoid using the Prophet and god as shoulder for blank firing when you have not read an iota of early Islamic history to justify it. Many weapons, good and other items were bought from the Aws tribe against Mecca; and arms were bought from Meccan trades for the siege of Aws and Khazraj. Weapons which came from Arabian, Persian and even Byzantium sources.

Please stop painting our Prophet as some stupid fool( Astafirullah) who lived in isolation.

yes the Prophet SAW traded with them when they were at peace and not war. this is a HUGE difference. and initially muslims were very weak but with the passage of time when they grew stronger they never tolerated any AGGRESSION. there is no way you can justify your alliance with those people who are responsible for destruction of entire muslim countries. put yourself in place of syrian muslims who have been humiliated and killed all over ME and europe due to proxy wars of israel, USA, turkey and saudia. i will ask from you where your time will come when no muslim country will come for your help rather then they will be having" good terms " with your killers.
and regarding isolation Prohet SAW said that a time will come when the best asset for a muslim will be his sheeps whom he will take to away from cities in jungles and deserts inorder to save his faith. it means you have to decide what is more important to you . worldly gains or your faith? it is the most difficult time to be a true muslim. other wise keep on taking interest, be ready to fight with Allah, keep on obeying the enemies and enjoy the worldly benefits.

 

[SQ8]

yes the Prophet SAW traded with them when they were at peace and not war. this is a HUGE difference. and initially muslims were very weak but with the passage of time when they grew stronger they never tolerated any AGGRESSION. there is no way you can justify your alliance with those people who are responsible for destruction of entire muslim countries. put yourself in place of syrian muslims who have been humiliated and killed all over ME and europe due to proxy wars of israel, USA, turkey and saudia. i will ask from you where your time will come when no muslim country will come for your help rather then they will be having" good terms " with your killers.
and regarding isolation Prohet SAW said that a time will come when the best asset for a muslim will be his sheeps whom he will take to away from cities in jungles and deserts inorder to save his faith. it means you have to decide what is more important to you . worldly gains or your faith? it is the most difficult time to be a true muslim. other wise keep on taking interest, be ready to fight with Allah, keep on obeying the enemies and enjoy the worldly benefits.

You are either a 15 year old kid or utterly stupid trying to give irrelevant examples and even outlying misquoting hadiath. A dishonest or delusional person is the least offensive term to describe your kind and definitely not one to have intelligent discussions on defence matters. Banned from thread.

 

[Devil Soul]

Pakistan to take part in US air show
By News Desk
Published: August 4, 2016
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A F-16 fighter jet. PHOTO: REUTERS

Pakistani aircraft will fly alongside United States, United Arab Emirates and Israel’s fighter jets in the US Air Force’s Red Flag exercise in Nevada later this month.

“For the second and fourth Red Flag, we will be including foreign players which include the United Kingdom, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, and Spain,” Colonel Jeffrey Weed, a Combat Training Squadron commander in the US Air Force, had announced.

With or without the F-16s, Pakistan will remain a regional game changer

According to the US Aviationist magazine, six Pakistani AF F16C/D Block 52+ combat jets landed at Lajes Field, Azores, along with two USAF KC-135R Stratotanker aerial refuelers from McConnell AFB on July 19. The aircraft belong to the n°5 Squadron ‘Falcons’ of the Pakistan Air Force. This is the second time PAF Vipers will take part in a Red Flag exercise, the very first time was in 2010.

Red Flag is considered the US military’s “premier air-to-air combat training exercise,” in which participating countries are divided into two teams and simulate dog fights to improve both their aviation skills and their military’s international connections, according to the US Air Force. In 2016, there will be four Red Flag exercises at the Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. The first ran from January to February, the second from February to March and the third in July, while the final exercise will be conducted from August 15 to August 26, according to the US Air Force.

Pakistan eager to secure first ever-order for the JF-17 at Paris Air Show

The Israeli military has not officially commented on the presence of Pakistani and United Arab Emirates pilots at the Red Flag exercise, but mentioned that the drill was being run by the Americans and Israel sees itself as a “guest” of the country. However, earlier this year a senior IAF official stressed that in addition to their benefits for training, international military exercises can be seen as a form of “roundabout” diplomatic strategy.

This article originally appeared onTimes of Israel.

 

[Ghazwa e Hind]

The same news is also reported by another source as follows.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/0...pate-in-us-drill-alongside-pakistani-uae-jets

It is a Pakistani paper giving reference of the original news of Haaretz. Lets see what is going to happen in the coming days. Air Cmdr (r) Sattar Alvi said that Israelis never engage you until they find a suitable environment in their favor.

 

[GiG]

They are the best because they train with the best. What do you think will happen once we stop training? Has US not killed muslims? What about Indian genocide in Kashmir? Why do we have diplomatic relations with India? Please answer these questions.

Migrate to Palestine then , this is the most simplest solution to your problems !!!

@GiG dear we are allies of NATO and america, take dollars from america, F-16s from america, orders from america, have exercises with america and israel and ask "BARKAT" AND "RAHMAT" FROM ALLAH. isn't it laughable?? Like majority of other nations our whole economic system is based upon interest something so disliked in islam that it is said that such people are at war with Allah and the Prophet SAW. we are already hypocrites of the highest order. there is no doubt in it. we have zero understanding of islam, zero faith in the Quran , we keep Allah in mosque and and bow to so many gods of this world. now probably i will receive heavy flak but i have done my job. spread the message.

GREAT , GREAT ,GREAT LEARNING FOR PAF



PAF WILL LEARN HOW TO AND WHERE TO BITE

If you people like to get killed in salala,Abbotabad,Angorada or in FATA by NATO strikes then enjoy your brotherly relations with west.These countries are not respecting your sovereignty and your military is enjoying Exercises with them. Such military personal trained in west will tend follow there western leaders as seen in Turkey and Egypt.Its in our best interest to isolate our military establishment from west ,so they can defend the country against drones or NATO strikes,and can take action against the Israeli and Indian genocide committed in Kashmir and Palatsine,rather then imposing Miltary rule.
While some one is asking why do we have relation with India and America ,because they are legitimate states countries may have issues between them which can be solved through mutual dialogue.But in case of Israel the state is not legitimate foreigners occupied a land by force and terror and declare it a state

 

[weqi]

If you people like to get killed in salala,Abbotabad,Angorada or in FATA by NATO strikes then enjoy your brotherly relations with west.These countries are not respecting your sovereignty and your military is enjoying Exercises with them. Such military personal trained in west will tend follow there western leaders as seen in Turkey and Egypt.Its in our best interest to isolate our military establishment from west ,so they can defend the country against drones or NATO strikes,and can take action against the Israeli and Indian genocide committed in Kashmir and Palatsine,rather then imposing Miltary rule.
While some one is asking why do we have relation with India and America ,because they are legitimate states countries may have issues between them which can be solved through mutual dialogue.But in case of Israel the state is not legitimate foreigners occupied a land by force and terror and declare it a state

bole to YAHOOD O HUNOOD KI SAZISH

 

[GiG]

@GiG dear we are allies of NATO and america, take dollars from america, F-16s from america, orders from america, have exercises with america and israel and ask "BARKAT" AND "RAHMAT" FROM ALLAH. isn't it laughable?? Like majority of other nations our whole economic system is based upon interest something so disliked in islam that it is said that such people are at war with Allah and the Prophet SAW. we are already hypocrites of the highest order. there is no doubt in it. we have zero understanding of islam, zero faith in the Quran , we keep Allah in mosque and and bow to so many gods of this world. now probably i will receive heavy flak but i have done my job. spread the message.

bole to YAHOOD O HUNOOD KI SAZISH

I am not a Anti Jew ,Anti Hindu fanatic

 

[IceCold]

If you people like to get killed in salala,Abbotabad,Angorada or in FATA by NATO strikes then enjoy your brotherly relations with west.These countries are not respecting your sovereignty and your military is enjoying Exercises with them. Such military personal trained in west will tend follow there western leaders as seen in Turkey and Egypt.Its in our best interest to isolate our military establishment from west ,so they can defend the country against drones or NATO strikes,and can take action against the Israeli and Indian genocide committed in Kashmir and Palatsine,rather then imposing Miltary rule.
While some one is asking why do we have relation with India and America ,because they are legitimate states countries may have issues between them which can be solved through mutual dialogue.But in case of Israel the state is not legitimate foreigners occupied a land by force and terror and declare it a state

@Oscar

 

[weqi]

I am not a Anti Jew ,Anti Hindu fanatic

don't switch on your pc this is developed by a company situated and pay taxes to US government and US government bullshit our FATA area

 

[The Eagle]

Air Cmdr (r) Sattar Alvi said that Israelis never engage you until they find a suitable environment in their favor.

In my opinion, that was quoted with reference to battle-field though this is all about exercise to learn at a third party location.

 

[GiG]

don't switch on your pc this is developed by a company situated and pay taxes to US government and US government bullshit our FATA area

 

[Ghazwa e Hind]

In my opinion, that was quoted with reference to battle-field though this is all about exercise to learn at a third party location.

lets see!

 

[Raider 21]

Did Pakistan Pilots Carry Out UAE AF Air Strikes in Libya?

All load of BS. Pakistani pilots will never touch the Block 60 in UAE, the contract does not allow foreign military pilots (including US) to fly UAE F-16s. Only pilots from UAEAF and a few advisors as instructors from Lockheed Martin. UAE pilots have flew, led and conducted all those strike missions. Like I have mentioned before previously the only Pakistani pilots that are there these days are mostly flying PC-7s, PC-21s, and Hawk 63s that are all at the air college in Al Ain, and a few used to fly the Hawk 102 as IPs at Minhad but I have learned the last Pakistani IP has left that squadron. Some are on deputation from PAF, but most are on civilian contracts with the GHQ at Abu Dhabi.