ISI Question

[SparklingCrescent]

Are there any Pashtuns in the Inter-Services Intelligence? Ive been wondering for a long time now, and dont have an answer. Checked everywhere online but no luck. Do you guys by any chance know of any Pashtuns in ISI?

 

[T-Faz]

ISI is a Pashtun dominated agency, read about them on history commons and also a recent article by Eric Margolas which speaks of high representation of Pashtuns in ISI.

ISI, many of whose officers are Pashtun, has every right to warn Pakistani citizens of impending US air attacks that kill large numbers of civilians. But ISI also has another vital mission. Preventing Pakistan's Pashtun, 15-20% of the population of 165 million, from rekindling the old `Greater Pashtunistan' movement calling for union of the Pashtun tribes of Pakistan and Afghanistan into a new Pashtun nation. The Pashtun have never recognized the Durand Line(today's Pakistan-Afghan border) drawn by British imperialists to sunder the world's largest tribal people. Greater Pashtunistan would tear apart Pakistan and invite Indian military intervention.

Eric Margolis: Blaming Pakistan's Spies For A War Gone Wrong

Do not read too much into that propaganda that some ant Pakistani people repeat many times that punjabi dominate the army and ISI, and they want to destroy Pathans, Sindhis and Baloch.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Swati our army right now is something like this
45% Punjabi(seriake,kashmiri,hazar wal),40% pushtun and rest are sindhi and balouchis and hazaras.
ISI is taken from all sister arms..NAVY,ARMY AND AIR FORCE irrespective of etnicity.
Thanks

 

[T-Faz]

Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, director of the Pakistani ISI since October 1999 (see October 12, 1999), is not considered especially religious. However, around this time he begins telling his colleagues that he has become a “born-again Muslim.” While he doesn’t make open gestures such as growing a beard, when US intelligence learns about this talk they find it foreboding and wonder what its impact on the ISI’s relations with the Taliban will be. Perhaps not coincidentally, around this time he begins meeting less frequently with CIA liaisons and becomes less cooperative with the US. [COLL, 2004, PP. 510-511] But if Mahmood becomes a fundamentalist Muslim, that would not be very unique in the ISI. As Slate will write shortly after 9/11, “many in the ISI loathe the United States. They view America as an unreliable and duplicitous ally, being especially resentful of the 1990 sanctions, which came one year after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. Furthermore, the ISI is dominated by Pashtuns, the same tribe that is the Taliban’s base of support across the border in Afghanistan. Partly because of its family, clan, and business ties to the Taliban, the ISI, even more than Pakistani society in general, has become increasingly enamored of radical Islam in recent years.” [SLATE, 10/9/2001]
Entity Tags: Mahmood Ahmed, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline

History Commons

 

[SparklingCrescent]

ISI is a Pashtun dominated agency, read about them on history commons and also a recent article by Eric Margolas which speaks of high representation of Pashtuns in ISI.

I will look up the article and post them here later.



Eric Margolis: Blaming Pakistan's Spies For A War Gone Wrong

Do not read too much into that propaganda that some ant Pakistani people repeat many times that punjabi dominate the army and ISI, and they want to destroy Pathans, Sindhis and Baloch.

Great Share!!!! Any more articles out there?

 

[T-Faz]

The funniest thing is that most people, especially Anti-Pakistani use the propaganda of Punjabi ISI trying to wipe out Pashtuns and destroy the world.

 

[SparklingCrescent]

The funniest thing is that most people, especially Anti-Pakistani use the propaganda of Punjabi ISI trying to wipe out Pashtuns and destroy the world.

Indeed, I just needed some backup so next time I could shut these Anti-Pakistani/Army/ISI people up with solid proof.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In tht case F.C 1 and F.C.B and Frontier constabluory is mostly pushtun?
T faraz tht a B.S mostly kabulis and indian trolls on internet (you tube) use.pretending to be balouch and pushtun.bloody bastards.

 

[SparklingCrescent]

Another Question: What was ISI's role during the Soviet-Afghan War?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Another Question: What was ISI's role during the Soviet-Afghan War?

Intl gathering mostly and giving it to BLACK STOCKS(SSG UNIT) and mujahedeen....tracking spys entering Pakistan pretending to be Afghan refugees and decoding there ops against MOTHERLAND.

 

[SparklingCrescent]

Swati our army right now is something like this
45% Punjabi(seriake,kashmiri,hazar wal),40% pushtun and rest are sindhi and balouchis and hazaras.
ISI is taken from all sister arms..NAVY,ARMY AND AIR FORCE irrespective of etnicity.
Thanks

40% Pashtun? Bro dont you think thats a bit high?


By the way, Ive also heard ISI trained somewhere around 80,000 Afghan Mujahideen. That true?

 

[T-Faz]

40% Pashtun? Bro dont you think thats a bit high?


By the way, Ive also heard ISI trained somewhere around 80,000 Afghan Mujahideen. That true?

No, Pashtuns are overly represented in all sectors especially armed forces, read The Bear Trap to learn about the ISI and Black Storks role in defeating the soviets.

The history commons link, read all the articles on it, should be sufficient for your questions.

 

[Creder]

^ Thats a good read T-Faz and swati bro dont read into all that internet propaganda on those forums and all

Here's a link for |The Bear Trap|

http://readr.ru/mohammad-yousaf-i-dr-the-bear-trap-afghanistan%E2%80%99s-untold-story.html

 

[Patriot]

Here's some interesting info.


A more insightful fact is that out of the 11 chiefs of the army, four have been Pashtuns (Generals Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Gul Hasan Khan and Waheed Kakar), leading the institution for a total of 18 years (Dawn, October 13). Two of them imposed martial law and remained presidents of Pakistan. Ayub Khan, the first Pakistani commander-in-chief of the army, remained at the helm of affairs for eight years as army chief (1951-58) and an additional 11 years as head of the country (1958-69) (Dawn, October 13). Ayub Khan also promoted himself to field marshal in 1965 and is credited with developing the army into one of the most resourceful and powerful institutions in the country. If it is any indicator of his legacy, his hand-painted portrait can often be seen on the back of the trucks driving from one side of the country to the other—as the transport business overwhelming is in the hands of the Pashtuns.



Within the ranks, Pashtuns are known for their marksmanship, courage and loyalty. Although there are no all-Pashtun regiments, and only one corps of the nine total is headquartered in NWFP, many important training centers for soldiers (Peshawar, Nowshera, Mardan) and the only military training academy for officers (Kakul) are located in the NWFP.
I can list several high ranking Pushtun Officers right off my mind..
Air Chief Marshal Abbas Khattak (Ex Chief Pakistan Air Force)
Major General Akbar Khan
Lieutenant General (retd) Sahabzada Yaqub Ali Khan Pakistans Top Diplomat During 80's after retirement.
General Ehsan ul Haq EX DG ISI, EX CJCOSC.
Lieutenant General Khwaja Mohammad Azhar Khan
General Abdul Hamid Khan EX COS
General Akhtar Abdur Rahman Ex DG ISI EX CJCOSC 4 Star General
Lt General Ali Kuli Khan EX Chief of General Staff
etc...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

40% Pashtun? Bro dont you think thats a bit high?


By the way, Ive also heard ISI trained somewhere around 80,000 Afghan Mujahideen. That true?

No brother ists not even my fathers unit hhas 60% pushtun majority.
Some years back People of punjab were in majority but now its almost the same...back then the punjabis were like 45-50% maybe a little more .....and pushtuns were 35-40 but now things are changing Army is encouraging people from all over especially balouchistan........example is a few hundred baloch officiers to be taken in these few years so dont believe these arsehole propoganda.......
Count 2.5 to 3 lac F.C and see where pushtun personel in armed forcess reach.There are alot of examples even ur last governor was ex lt gen.......
Thanks