Is WOT Pakistans war or imposed on it..?

[KS]

Hi guys...i have a genuine doubt..while discussing with a member on another thread he gave an intersting explanation:

Originally posted by Jonasad:

"I think you have no idea of wots going.. ur media has brainwashed you.. we are fighting our own War now a war within our own boundaries for our own sake against TTP.. how can u say we are being used by American to fight TTP, i assume u dont even know abt TTP, its Tehreek Taliban Pakistan.. btw imagine if stop this war... do u think we will become a taliban state? have india became a moist state? or khalistan state? u cant even controll LeT how u gona ctrl a nuclear taliban state? rest depends on ur brain so figure it out."


Can anyone clarify as to wat is the feeling on the ground..?
i acn see contradictory comments coming from many other members in this forum.


Thx...

p.s :Sorry guys in the poll i ve made a typo - Rakistan instead of Pakistan...Apologies.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

IMO, their war or not is an interesting question and debate, but that's neither here nor there in the larger scale of things. Their war or not, PA is fighting a war right now and it has no choice but to win it.

 

[Pakistani Man]

WoT is imposed by the Afghans and their Taliban.

They are coming across the border and spreading radical views, they are arming the extremist groups, they are funding these groups.

As difficult as it may be we need to close the border with Afghanistan. This would significantly reduce the violence in Pakistan.

Its apparent after 10 years of battle the U.S.A. cannot win and because of this the problem is spreading into Pakistan.

 

[karan.1970]

WoT is imposed by the Afghans and their Taliban.

They are coming across the border and spreading radical views, they are arming the extremist groups, they are funding these groups.

As difficult as it may be we need to close the border with Afghanistan. This would significantly reduce the violence in Pakistan.

Its apparent after 10 years of battle the U.S.A. cannot win and because of this the problem is spreading into Pakistan.

Most of your post is fine. however the direction of spread of the problem is the other way round

 

[Enigma SIG]

Well, action had to be taken sooner or later. How can you have no-go areas in sovereign territory? Instead of empowering the locals and lifting them out of poverty by giving them education; whole swaths of land were given out as "alaqa ghair" to be breeding grounds for jihadists while the Pakistani awam had their heads in the sands thinking "sab theek hai; there were no bomb blasts before 9/11". Tell this to the shias persecuted/killed/maimed by the variety of jihadist organizations in parachinar, dgk, gilgit and countless other cities.

Afghanis were let into the country freely under the guise of muslim brotherhood. Policies of GOP/Army were harmful to the country as a whole; militias serving to undermine minorities and engage in proxy war in other territories. We fought 3 mindless wars with India over kashmir, crippling our economy each time; while losing a part of country in one instance.

Pakistan has gained nothing by being a mouthpiece of muslims worldwide when no other muslim country gives a damn. Pakistanis only need to travel to other arab countries to get a glimpse of what the arab world thinks of them.

The muslim ummah is just a farce, the muslims were just waiting for the Prophet SAW to leave for his heavenly abode to get cracking at each other.

This is well our war and it was not imposed on us. It was GOP's/Army policies over the years that led to the current situation.

 

[Pride]

In my opinion, It is Pakistan's war. It is their land, their nation and their people how can some one else create a war. There are a few people's ideology which forces and keeps them involved to fight for "something" they think of more important (Like jihad on Islam by zionists). This is similar to our Maoist's war for which we can't blame China or any other communist country exist.

 

[Pakistani Man]

Most of your post is fine. however the direction of spread of the problem is the other way round

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[KS]

No my question was..:

Wat is the general feeling among the masses in Pakistan..
Ur war or their war..?

 

[PracticalGuy]

Well its kinda both.. it's Pakistan's war because it was imposed on it for it's own good..

 

[JonAsad]

Well Let me start by explaining the whole situation.

After 9/11 when America attacked Afghanistan, we were threatened that we will be sent to stone age if we didnt support the WoT. So we supported it. Our Millitary was never directly involved in Afghanistan in any form of attacks. Yes maybe our Air Bases were used, cruise missiles gone through our air space into afghanistan that was because one way or other we were supporting Americas War.

We were supporting Taliban in Afghanistan there is no denial to it but it was b4 9/11. Soon as we supported WoT that ment we no longer support Taliban.

Now the scenario is simple.. The fundamental elements in Pakistan along Afghanistan border that are still supporting Talibans and are angry why we chose not to support talibans in Afghanistan are creating anarchy and chaos in Pakistan. They are called TTP.
Now that was an internal problem since they are inside Pakistan and are threat to our own National Security thats why we are at War against them.

Talibans in Afghanistan... America is dealing with them.
TTP.. Pakistan is dealing with them.

America attacked afghanistan because of Talibans in Afghanistan.

Pakistan is fighting with TTP because they are Talibans in Pakistan.

WoT is confusing in a sense that when we speak of WoT it generally means Americas war on terror.. but we do speak the same word WoT when we describe the Pakistan Army against TTP.

No way Pakistan Army is involved in WoT of America in Afghanistan.
Its is only involved within Pakistan but as the Talibans are the same elements it is also generaly known as WoT.

Have it like this.. If Naxals-Moaist situation goes out of hand then Indian Army will certainly attack them and it will be also a WoT but you will not relate it to Pakistans WoT or Americas WoT.

Pakistan didnt participate directly in Afghanistan War just like NATO did.
So no Sir the American WoT was not imposed on us.
We are at war with TTP with is in our own interest.

Hope you understand it now.

 

[KS]

Well Let me start by explaining the whole situation.

After 9/11 when America attacked Afghanistan, we were threatened that we will be sent to stone age if we didnt support the WoT. So we supported it. Our Millitary was never directly involved in Afghanistan in any form of attacks. Yes maybe our Air Bases were used, cruise missiles gone through our air space into afghanistan that was because one way or other we were supporting Americas War.

We were supporting Taliban in Afghanistan there is no denial to it but it was b4 9/11. Soon as we supported WoT that ment we no longer support Taliban.

Now the scenario is simple.. The fundamental elements in Pakistan along Afghanistan border that are still supporting Talibans and are angry why we chose not to support talibans in Afghanistan are creating anarchy and chaos in Pakistan. They are called TTP.
Now that was an internal problem since they are inside Pakistan and are threat to our own National Security thats why we are at War against them.

Talibans in Afghanistan... America is dealing with them.
TTP.. Pakistan is dealing with them.

America attacked afghanistan because of Talibans in Afghanistan.

Pakistan is fighting with TTP because they are Talibans in Pakistan.

WoT is confusing in a sense that when we speak of WoT it generally means Americas war on terror.. but we do speak the same word WoT when we describe the Pakistan Army against TTP.

No way Pakistan Army is involved in WoT of America in Afghanistan.
Its is only involved within Pakistan but as the Talibans are the same elements it is also generaly known as WoT.

Have it like this.. If Naxals-Moaist situation goes out of hand then Indian Army will certainly attack them and it will be also a WoT but you will not relate it to Pakistans WoT or Americas WoT.

Pakistan didnt participate directly in Afghanistan War just like NATO did.
So no Sir the American WoT was not imposed on us.
We are at war with TTP with is in our own interest.

Hope you understand it now.

Arrey Bhaisaab...u ve said wat i already know.
Let me explain point by point.

Well Let me start by explaining the whole situation.

After 9/11 when America attacked Afghanistan, we were threatened that we will be sent to stone age if we didnt support the WoT. So we supported it. Our Millitary was never directly involved in Afghanistan in any form of attacks. Yes maybe our Air Bases were used, cruise missiles gone through our air space into afghanistan that was because one way or other we were supporting Americas War.

Correct.As far as ur territory was (ab)used by americans to fight against the taliban it simply means ur fighting on the side of America against afghan taliban.

Now the scenario is simple.. The fundamental elements in Pakistan along Afghanistan border that are still supporting Talibans and are angry why we chose not to support talibans in Afghanistan are creating anarchy and chaos in Pakistan. They are called TTP.
Now that was an internal problem since they are inside Pakistan and are threat to our own National Security thats why we are at War against them.

So even the creation of TTP has its roots in the support or the use of ur land by Americans against the AT(Afghan Taliban).
Doesnt it contradict ur statement that it is a purely internal prob.?

Talibans in Afghanistan... America is dealing with them.
TTP.. Pakistan is dealing with them.

America attacked afghanistan because of Talibans in Afghanistan.

Pakistan is fighting with TTP because they are Talibans in Pakistan.

WoT is confusing in a sense that when we speak of WoT it generally means Americas war on terror.. but we do speak the same word WoT when we describe the Pakistan Army against TTP.

No way Pakistan Army is involved in WoT of America in Afghanistan.
Its is only involved within Pakistan but as the Talibans are the same elements it is also generaly known as WoT.

All the above substantiate that the primary reason for the rise of TTP is due to the American WOT and Pakistanis support to it.and that TTP will not have been created if Pakistanis hadnt supported USA in the Primary WOT.

Have it like this.. If Naxals-Moaist situation goes out of hand then Indian Army will certainly attack them and it will be also a WoT but you will not relate it to Pakistans WoT or Americas WoT.

Pakistan didnt participate directly in Afghanistan War just like NATO did.
So no Sir the American WoT was not imposed on us.
We are at war with TTP with is in our own interest.

Hope you understand it now.

Ur analogy is wrong sir..ther is a fundamentaal difference between the maoists and Taliban...one is religious and other is one a social and developmental factor.

I fully agree with in the fact that the PA fighting with TTP is in ur good interest.But my query is How come u ended up fighting the TTP..Why was it created in the first place.?

Is it not due to the war (WOT) imposed on by America after 9/11?

p.s.: My main aim was to know the general feeling of the masses in Pakistan ? Pls answer that also.

 

[Pakistani Man]

Pakistan never had a terror bombings and this sort of violence within its borders before 9/11.

 

[Fracker]

WoT, a war in which we were forcefully dragged to this region, on false flag i,e, 9/11

This is our war after India & co start helping insurgency in pakistan, to make pk unstable,

& this is the only answer for

1, Is it not due to the war (WOT) imposed on by America after 9/11?
2, Pakistan never had a terror bombings and this sort of violence within its borders before 9/11.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Though the war is imposed,But it also provides an opportunity to eradicate militants based in tribal areas and extend the Pakistani state Law and Order to those areas along with infrastructure development.
Further i think that After Going Nuclear a conventional War against Pakistan was highly unlikely, these scumbags were the only tool which our enemies could exploit to weaken our Country.Theres no turning back from the fight now,We need to Kill this Ideology,Once you get rid of this scum, There would virtually be nothing which the anti-state foreign hand can exploit except for fueling Political instability, But that too can also be managed peacefully.
Hope & Pray the sacrifices PA gaved may bring fruit of Educated,Moderate,Progressive Society and a Society Free from all kinds of extremism Where the visions of Qaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinah and Allama Mohammad Iqbal become reality .Ameen.

 

[KS]

Ok...if WOT is their "OWN" war as some Pakistani friends say..
Why sending in monthly bills to washington for re-imbursement..?