Is most of INDIA safe from PAF deep strikes

[pakpower]

I still don't understand what Pak people is saying. If you are saying that you can enter India as deep as you want, then what is the use of Anti Aircraft Guns and Anti Aircraft missiles India has.

On a funny note Through them in garbage......

 

[Red Dwarf]

On a funny note Through them in garbage......

I asked a genuine question and i need a genuine answer too. India is Not Afghanistan or Iraq so that any one can enter here.

Btw i suppose you mean Throw and not Through. No offense.

 

[pakpower]

I asked a genuine question and i need a genuine answer too. India is Not Afghanistan or Iraq so that any one can enter here.

Btw i suppose you mean Throw and not Through. No offense.

Well we doesn't want to enter either yeah spelling mistake that one.

 

[Seaman]

Its never gonna happen not in dream also because they are afraid of iaf,otherwise till now they have already done that..,got my point..?

 

[Dazzler]

Its never gonna happen not in dream also because they are afraid of iaf,otherwise till now they have already done that..,got my point..?

where is the point in your post? The fact must not be overlooked that India is a huge country with adequate air defense and decent fighter fleet so it will never be a walk in the park for anyone to intrude. However, it is not impossible to do so as there is a term called Tactics that is implied to make things go the right way when need arises. Iraq (90) had a pretty thick AAA, Sam battery wall but it didn't last long. Though the opponent were more of a combine force with more than 40 countries, a systematic approach coupled with deeply worked out tactics did the job so the possibility must not be ruled out.

 

[SQ8]

A couple of things have to be understood.
1. What is deep in relative terms to the Indo Pak theater?
Does deep strike mean disabling the enemy's key infrastructure..specifically that infrastructure that poses the most threat to blue forces cause?
Does it mean a strike on a target situated deep within the enemy territory even though on a relative scale it provides very little of the threat blue force will face.

2. Does the strike need to be carried out for practical or psychological reasons?

Starting with 1..
Assuming a deep strike here means a strike on infrastructure or C3 of the enemy that is critical to the war effort of OPFOR and is situated more than 350km behind the front line. A lot of the critical war infrastructure, bridges, depot's, airbases are fairly close to the Pakistani border.. and will not just be the target of airstrikes, but cruise and standoff weapons.(vice versa).
Those targets are also the most protected by an air defense net and interceptors.
Such a strike will have to survive not only the Indian Air defense environment, but will have to deal with enemy interceptors as well.
For such a strike to be successful, the aircraft involved need to carry enough electronic countermeasures and decoys to be able to get past the ADGE.. and then need to have sufficient advanced A2A weapons to be able to defend themselves through the initial wave of interceptors. Currently the only aircraft the PAF able to satisfy these conditions are the F-16's. While the MLU'ed F-16's will be able to go this far.. the Block 52 versions will be able to go much further.
Now, will they get through? With the current upgrades.. the advanced 211 ECM .. and Aim-120 missiles. Ill bet that out of a flight of four, two will make it though.

The question is, what targets that will effect the war effort of the Indians in such a manner that it stalls entirely are that deep?
What is the cost of hitting them? Is the investment of what may very well be a one way mission worth the tactical or strategic gain?
Such options are usually weighed before deep strikes are carried out..


2. Will a deep strike to hit a key supply depot that provides for more than one IBG be useful and worth it. The gains will have to be seen.
Is a strike near Dehli worth it? The psychological impact of hearing bombs fall is extremely detrimental to national morale.
But neither side has the ability to carpet bomb the other in any sort of shock and awe campaign.
So a deep strike just to strike fear .. a doolittle raid of sorts may not be as effective in this scenario.

PAF planners should have decided on current and future IAF and IA targets that form the spokes of a wheel to their network.
Knowing that such strikes would leave the IAF or IA in disarray in the crucial start of an offensive will be the motivation in selecting such targets. Units have already been preassigned targets and will carry them out like a computer program once execute is hit.. the same goes for the IAF.

So, to the question of whether most of India is safe from deep strikes.. yes it is..
But is the part of India relevant to a war effort safe from strikes.. that question has no definitive and unbiased answer.

 

[blackjack]

Agreed, but remember PA will never try to Throw IA in bay of Bengal. They simply don't have this capability. It will follow a specific strategy of a limited offensive and mainly focus on defending the homeland rather than ultimate aggressive against IA

A very logical answer. IMO India cannot afford a war at this stage. India's priorities are different at this time. It has a growing economy and needs fuel (Uranium) to fuel its energy requirements. Going to war with any country will hurt India badly, hit its economic growth and dent its quest for procuring Uranium for its Nuclear power plants.

As far as PAF is concerned, it is a very professional force and well trained as well. But it does not have the equipment for any offensive capabilities as of now. Moreover, IAF has more "Force Multipliers" than PAF, as of now.

 

[SQ8]

A very logical answer. IMO India cannot afford a war at this stage. India's priorities are different at this time. It has a growing economy and needs fuel (Uranium) to fuel its energy requirements. Going to war with any country will hurt India badly, hit its economic growth and dent its quest for procuring Uranium for its Nuclear power plants.

As far as PAF is concerned, it is a very professional force and well trained as well. But it does not have the equipment for any offensive capabilities as of now. Moreover, IAF has more "Force Multipliers" than PAF, as of now.

Because the IAF is bigger than the PAF.. if by more force multipliers you mean more different types of force multipliers.. It must be seen how much they increase the effectiveness of the role required to be carried out.
For eg.. India having fifteen AEW systems to Pakistan's three does not quantify as a numbers advantage.. India also has twice the airspace to watch in case of a conflict. So in a ratio relative to the battlefield and the force being managed.. it becomes equal.

 

[blackjack]

Because the IAF is bigger than the PAF.. if by more force multipliers you mean more different types of force multipliers.. It must be seen how much they increase the effectiveness of the role required to be carried out.
For eg.. India having fifteen AEW systems to Pakistan's three does not quantify as a numbers advantage.. India also has twice the airspace to watch in case of a conflict. So in a ratio relative to the battlefield and the force being managed.. it becomes equal.

True no doubt. What i mean by force multipliers is that IAF has a dedicated network of Spy Satellites integrated with IACCS which IMO Pakistan does not yet have a fully capable system to match this. I am sure Pakistan too have their own AD network according to its need.

 

[Basanti]

Because the IAF is bigger than the PAF.. if by more force multipliers you mean more different types of force multipliers.. It must be seen how much they increase the effectiveness of the role required to be carried out.
For eg.. India having fifteen AEW systems to Pakistan's three does not quantify as a numbers advantage.. India also has twice the airspace to watch in case of a conflict. So in a ratio relative to the battlefield and the force being managed.. it becomes equal.

Wah Wah Taj


The length of Indo-Pakistan border is the same for India and Pakistan. AEWC Systems will be deployed to detect any intruding aircraft. Not on top of Bangalore and Chennai. There are radar stations and aerostats for that.
Hope this knocks some sense into you

 

[Windjammer]

It is very easy to sound blah blah...but its hard to follow.,no one will think of it,no goverment official nor political leader nor any paf member,,they know what will be the result,,,,they may attack and destroy few air bases and areas with a sudden attack but the next will be from us and that we will hit hard,we are in a chance of it,just one time they declear the war and we will end it,,jai shri krishna..

You have said it yourself. !!!

 

[Manticore]

Wah Wah Taj


The length of Indo-Pakistan border is the same for India and Pakistan. AEWC Systems will be deployed to detect any intruding aircraft. Not on top of Bangalore and Chennai. There are radar stations and aerostats for that.
Hope this knocks some sense into you

what santro meant was pak has only one enemy and all of its recources will be used against india -- india will still have to station some of its assets on the chinese border-- the ratio of this split of assets however is open for disscussion

 

[SQ8]

what santro meant was pak has only one enemy and all of its recources will be used against india -- india will still have to station some of its assets on the chinese border-- the ratio of this split of assets however is open for disscussion[/QUOTE

Hope some sense and sensibility gets knocked into some narrow sighted folks.

 

[SQ8]

Why even an air raid here? You won't be even needing your air bases towards us anymore since border is sealed, controlled and you need your jets on western border where every tom, d1ck and harry comes and violates your borders.

Idiotic and pathetic cynicism, not expected from somebody who has spent this much time here.

 

[Storm Force]

Why do Pakistanis INSIST that any indo pak conflict will immediately result in a SPLITTING OF FORCES because of the chinease.

China is no more a threat to india AS IS THE USA to Pakistan.

China will not get involved in a indo pak showdown BECAUSE this is a war that will turn nuclear AS india cannot fight both fronts.

I have summarised this in the past PAF strke options by aircraft are very small; in comprison to IAF.

Only 18 block 52s are capable enough technology wise to go deep into india carry out a precision strike and stil fight their way back.

QUESTION IS HOW MANY OF THE 18 will get back or even GET thru to their target first.

THE REST OF PAF is geared towards air defense over pak air space ir Thunders & F16MLU. & F7

The mirages where decent strikers in 1980-s & 1990S but to face off su30mki, phalcons, spyder & s300 & akash systems I.m not sure they have the necessary survival equipment ie jammers or eccms etc.