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Indian Hindus have a problem with Jana gana mana written in praise of the British leader while Indian Muslims have a problem with vande mataram as it praises Hindu goddess.

Following is what I propose as the two alternatives to replace the current songs

Song 1:

"Sare Jahan se Accha" aka "Tarānah-e-Hindi" written by Muhammad Iqbal the great poet of Pakistan.


Song 2:

"Chhodo kal Ki Baatein, Kal Ki Baat Puraani" song written by poet Prem Dhawan, sung by Mukesh and the music composed by Usha Khanna for the Bollywood Hindi Movie "Hum Hindustani"(We, the Indians)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hum_Hindustani






Why Muslims reject Vande Mataram
A Chennai surfer says Muslims must get a chance to explain their viewpoint.
INDIA Updated: Aug 30, 2006 12:09 IST
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A Faizur Rahman
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www.freeindia.org, has posted under the subject Bharat bhakti an ancient Sanskrit Hindu verse glorifying Mother India as a goddess.

It reads, "Ratnakaradhautapadam Himalyakirtitinim (I) Brahmarajarsiratnamdhyam vande Bharatamataram (II)". When translated it means: I pay my obeisance to Mother Bharata, whose feet are being a washed by the ocean, who wears the mighty Himalaya as her crown, and who is exuberantly adorned with the gems of traditions set by Brahmarsis and Rajarsis."

Another reason for the Muslims' reluctance to sing the Vande Mataram is fact that the novel Anandamath by Bankimchandra Chaterjee, in which it was first published, glorified the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims.

The following passage may be quoted as an example. "The rural people ran out to kill the Muslims while coming across them. In the night, people were organised in groups to go to the Muslim locality, torch their houses and loot everything.

Many Muslims were killed, many shaved their beards, smeared their bodies with soil and started singing the name of Hari. When asked, they said they were Hindus.

The frightened Muslims rushed towards the town group after group. The Muslims said, "Allah, Allah! Is the Koran Sareef proved entirely wrong after so many days? We pray five times but couldn't finish the sandal-pasted Hindus. All the universe is false." (pages 161-162 of Abbey of Delight, the English translation of Anandamath by Arabinda Das).

In any case, the Vande Mataram is a national song and not the national anthem of India, hence refusal to sing it cannot be construed as showing disrespect to the country. Given the fact that the Muslims have been singing the Jana Gana Mana ever since India attained independence, and the fact that they have laid down their lives for the country during and after the freedom struggle, their nationalist spirit cannot be doubted even for a minute.

It must be understood that India being a secular democracy, every community has the right to profess and practice its faith so long as it did not challenge the unity and integrity of the nation, and therefore, the coercive imposition of the beliefs of one religion over another would only result in communal disharmony.

A Faizur Rahman is a peace activist and executive committee member, Harmony India in Chennai. He can be reached ata.faizur.rahman@gmail.com.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...nde-mataram/story-rRNDm0d1waQ3FCfew9IhxJ.html


Does India's national anthem extol the British?
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Soutik BiswasDelhi correspondent
  • 9 July 2015
_84163569_gettyimages-557703741.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionTagore was the first Asian to win the Nobel Prize for literature
More than a century after it was first sung in the eastern city of Kolkata (formerly Calcutta), the song that later became India's national anthem is again mired in a worn-out controversy.

On Tuesday, the governor of Rajasthan state Kalyan Singh, a veteran BJP leader, pulled an old chestnut out of the fire by saying that Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore's Jana Gana Mana, had actually praised the British rulers. He said the phrase adhinayak jai he, which literally translates as "hail the leader" should be removed and replaced with mangaldayak, which means the "welfare giver" . His audacious remarks even made it to the front page of a prominent newspaper.

He is not alone. Former Supreme Court judge Markandey Katju wrote recently that Jana Gana Mana, which became India's national anthem in 1950, was "composed and sung as an act of sycophancy" to George V, the only British king-emperor to travel to India.

Mr Katju even offered some dubious evidence to support his thesis: the song was "composed at precisely the time of the visit" of the British king in December 1911, it does not "indicate any love for the motherland", the "lord or ruler" and the "dispenser of India's destiny" (another phrase in the song) in 1911 were the British rulers, and it was sung for the first time at a conference in Kolkata of the Congress party, which was held to welcome the king.

The song, written in Sanskritised Bengali, has had its fair share of controversies: some say it is deferential to the British monarchy; others say it fails to fully reflect India's races and regions.

But historians believe the claim about the song being a glowing testimonial to the British rulers by Tagore - the first Asian to win the Nobel Prize for literature and a patriot, who resigned his knighthood in protest against one of the bloodiest massacres in British history - is disingenuous.

Historian Sabyasachi Bhattacharya, who has written a definitive book on Tagore, believes that this "myth about the song" needs to be "refuted and laid to rest".

Tagore wrote the song on 11 December 1911. Next, day the Delhi durbar - or mass assembly when George V was proclaimed Emperor of India - was held.

The song was first sung on 28 December 1911 at the Congress session in Kolkata. It was also sung, as Mr Bhattacharya reminds us, at the foundation day programme of the Adi Brahma Samaj, a reformist and renaissance movement of Hindu religion, in February 1912, and included in their collection of psalms.

"Many years later fertile and malicious imagination connected the composition of the song and the durbar and it was rumoured that Tagore's poem was meant to be sung in the Delhi durbar," writes Mr Bhattacharya.

The truth was finally nailed by a letter Tagore wrote to his editor Pulin Behari Sen in November 1937. The poet said it was obvious that "neither the Fifth nor the Sixth nor any George could be the maker of human destiny through the ages".

"I had hailed in the song Jana Gana Mana that Dispenser of India's destiny who guides, through all rise and fall, the wayfarers, He who shows the people the way..."

Mr Bhattacharya says to see George V as the "object of worship in place of 'Dispenser of India's destiny..Thou King of all Kings' was only absurd, but also sacrilegious to Tagore".

Clearly, Tagore did not write the poem either for the British king or the Congress. "It was a hymn to his Maker, the guardian of the country's destiny," says Mr Bhattacharya. Something which many appear to be wilfully ignore - or forget.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33438577
 
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This issue demonstrates that there is no such thing as an Indian nation... INDIA never existed as a unified republic ever .. it has always been a region consisting of independent princely states ..

It's a fake nation... Destined to be broken into independent nations.
 
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Indian Hindus have a problem with Jana gana mana written in praise of the British leader while Indian Muslims have a problem with vande mataram as it praises Hindu goddess.

Following is what I propose as the two alternatives to replace the current songs

Song 1:

"Sare Jahan se Accha" aka "Tarānah-e-Hindi" written by Muhammad Iqbal the great poet of Pakistan.


Song 2:

"Chhodo kal Ki Baatein, Kal Ki Baat Puraani" song written by poet Prem Dhawan, sung by Mukesh and the music composed by Usha Khanna for the Bollywood Hindi Movie "Hum Hindustani"(We, the Indians)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hum_Hindustani






Why Muslims reject Vande Mataram
A Chennai surfer says Muslims must get a chance to explain their viewpoint.
INDIA Updated: Aug 30, 2006 12:09 IST
default_author.png

A Faizur Rahman
None
960x540.jpg

www.freeindia.org, has posted under the subject Bharat bhakti an ancient Sanskrit Hindu verse glorifying Mother India as a goddess.

It reads, "Ratnakaradhautapadam Himalyakirtitinim (I) Brahmarajarsiratnamdhyam vande Bharatamataram (II)". When translated it means: I pay my obeisance to Mother Bharata, whose feet are being a washed by the ocean, who wears the mighty Himalaya as her crown, and who is exuberantly adorned with the gems of traditions set by Brahmarsis and Rajarsis."

Another reason for the Muslims' reluctance to sing the Vande Mataram is fact that the novel Anandamath by Bankimchandra Chaterjee, in which it was first published, glorified the ethnic cleansing of the Muslims.

The following passage may be quoted as an example. "The rural people ran out to kill the Muslims while coming across them. In the night, people were organised in groups to go to the Muslim locality, torch their houses and loot everything.

Many Muslims were killed, many shaved their beards, smeared their bodies with soil and started singing the name of Hari. When asked, they said they were Hindus.

The frightened Muslims rushed towards the town group after group. The Muslims said, "Allah, Allah! Is the Koran Sareef proved entirely wrong after so many days? We pray five times but couldn't finish the sandal-pasted Hindus. All the universe is false." (pages 161-162 of Abbey of Delight, the English translation of Anandamath by Arabinda Das).

In any case, the Vande Mataram is a national song and not the national anthem of India, hence refusal to sing it cannot be construed as showing disrespect to the country. Given the fact that the Muslims have been singing the Jana Gana Mana ever since India attained independence, and the fact that they have laid down their lives for the country during and after the freedom struggle, their nationalist spirit cannot be doubted even for a minute.

It must be understood that India being a secular democracy, every community has the right to profess and practice its faith so long as it did not challenge the unity and integrity of the nation, and therefore, the coercive imposition of the beliefs of one religion over another would only result in communal disharmony.

A Faizur Rahman is a peace activist and executive committee member, Harmony India in Chennai. He can be reached ata.faizur.rahman@gmail.com.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...nde-mataram/story-rRNDm0d1waQ3FCfew9IhxJ.html


Does India's national anthem extol the British?
soutikbiswas.png

Soutik BiswasDelhi correspondent
  • 9 July 2015
_84163569_gettyimages-557703741.jpg
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionTagore was the first Asian to win the Nobel Prize for literature
More than a century after it was first sung in the eastern city of Kolkata (formerly Calcutta), the song that later became India's national anthem is again mired in a worn-out controversy.

On Tuesday, the governor of Rajasthan state Kalyan Singh, a veteran BJP leader, pulled an old chestnut out of the fire by saying that Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore's Jana Gana Mana, had actually praised the British rulers. He said the phrase adhinayak jai he, which literally translates as "hail the leader" should be removed and replaced with mangaldayak, which means the "welfare giver" . His audacious remarks even made it to the front page of a prominent newspaper.

He is not alone. Former Supreme Court judge Markandey Katju wrote recently that Jana Gana Mana, which became India's national anthem in 1950, was "composed and sung as an act of sycophancy" to George V, the only British king-emperor to travel to India.

Mr Katju even offered some dubious evidence to support his thesis: the song was "composed at precisely the time of the visit" of the British king in December 1911, it does not "indicate any love for the motherland", the "lord or ruler" and the "dispenser of India's destiny" (another phrase in the song) in 1911 were the British rulers, and it was sung for the first time at a conference in Kolkata of the Congress party, which was held to welcome the king.

The song, written in Sanskritised Bengali, has had its fair share of controversies: some say it is deferential to the British monarchy; others say it fails to fully reflect India's races and regions.

But historians believe the claim about the song being a glowing testimonial to the British rulers by Tagore - the first Asian to win the Nobel Prize for literature and a patriot, who resigned his knighthood in protest against one of the bloodiest massacres in British history - is disingenuous.

Historian Sabyasachi Bhattacharya, who has written a definitive book on Tagore, believes that this "myth about the song" needs to be "refuted and laid to rest".

Tagore wrote the song on 11 December 1911. Next, day the Delhi durbar - or mass assembly when George V was proclaimed Emperor of India - was held.

The song was first sung on 28 December 1911 at the Congress session in Kolkata. It was also sung, as Mr Bhattacharya reminds us, at the foundation day programme of the Adi Brahma Samaj, a reformist and renaissance movement of Hindu religion, in February 1912, and included in their collection of psalms.

"Many years later fertile and malicious imagination connected the composition of the song and the durbar and it was rumoured that Tagore's poem was meant to be sung in the Delhi durbar," writes Mr Bhattacharya.

The truth was finally nailed by a letter Tagore wrote to his editor Pulin Behari Sen in November 1937. The poet said it was obvious that "neither the Fifth nor the Sixth nor any George could be the maker of human destiny through the ages".

"I had hailed in the song Jana Gana Mana that Dispenser of India's destiny who guides, through all rise and fall, the wayfarers, He who shows the people the way..."

Mr Bhattacharya says to see George V as the "object of worship in place of 'Dispenser of India's destiny..Thou King of all Kings' was only absurd, but also sacrilegious to Tagore".

Clearly, Tagore did not write the poem either for the British king or the Congress. "It was a hymn to his Maker, the guardian of the country's destiny," says Mr Bhattacharya. Something which many appear to be wilfully ignore - or forget.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33438577
Shekh chilli ke hasin sapne .
 
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This issue demonstrates that there is no such thing as an Indian nation... INDIA never existed as a unified republic ever .. it has always been a region consisting of independent princely states ..

It's a fake nation... Destined to be broken into independent nations.

The only thing that Indians agree is that they don't agree on anything.

:rofl:
 
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Tagore wrote Indian national anthem to please the British. Why Katju thinks so
Was 'Jana Gana Mana' written by Gurudev in praise of British King George the fifth?
POLITICS
| 2-minute read | 20-04-2015

MARKANDEY KATJU

@mkatju


There is a controversy as to whether the Indian national anthem "Jana Gana Mana" was written by Rabindra Nath Tagore in praise of God, or as sycophancy in praise of the British King George the fifth.

In my opinion the evidence is strongly in favour of the second view.

To explain, let me first quote the Engish translation of the song:

  • "Victory to thee,
  • O ruler of the minds of the people,
  • O Dispenser of India's destiny.
  • Thy name rouses the hearts of Punjab, Sindh,Gujarat and Maratha,Of the Dravida, Odisha and Bengal;
  • It echoes in the hills of the Vindhyas and Himalayas,
  • mingles in the music of Yamuna and Ganges and ischanted by the waves of the Indian Sea.
  • We get up with your blessed name on our lips,
  • We pray for your auspicious blessings,
  • Thou dispenser of India's destiny.
  • Victory, victory, victory to thee."
Now a few things must be noted about this song:

1.The song was composed at precisely the time of the visit of the British King George the fifth and Queen Mary in December, 1911.

2.The poem does not indicate any love for the motherland.

3. The "Adhinayak" (Lord or Ruler) is being hailed. Who was the ruler of India in 1911? It was the British, headed by their King-Emperor.

4. Who was the "Bharat Bhagya Vidhata" (dispenser of India's destiny) at that time ? It was none but the British, since they were ruling India in 1911.

5.The song was sung for the first time in India on the second day of the Calcutta Conference of the Congress party in December 1911. This conference was held specially to give a loyal welcome to King George the fifth, and to thank him for annulling the Partition of Bengal in 1905.

6. The agenda of the second day of the Calcutta Conference, in which the song was sung, was specially reserved for giving a loyal welcome to George the fifth, and a resolution was adopted unanimously that day welcoming and expressing loyalty to the emperor and empress.

7. It was only as late as in 1937, when he wanted to show himself as a patriot, that Tagore denied that he had written the song to honour the British king. The above facts almost conclusively prove that "Jana Gana Mana" was composed and sung as an act of sycophancy to the British king.

And we have proudly adopted this song as our national anthem?

Jai ho!

(Article first appeared on the writer's blog.)

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/mark...raj-jana-gana-mana-congress/story/1/3270.html
 
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The banter of an idle mind ?

When will you Hindus leave slave mentality?

This one is much better.

"Sare Jahan se Accha" aka "Tarānah-e-Hindi" written by Muhammad Iqbal the great poet of Pakistan.
 
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What conversation can anyone have with someone who suggests movie songs for a national song !!
 
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What conversation can anyone have with someone who suggests movie songs for a national song !!

Movie song will be more acceptable to Muslims than your religious song praising Hindu goddess.
 
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The anthem for religious cleansing is the best then?

The current song is a Hindu song praising their goddess while the movie song that I suggested has Taj Mahal and Qutub minar. That is the problem that @third eye has.

 
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Movie song will be more acceptable to Muslims than your religious song praising Hindu goddess.
I have issues with some parts of the Constitution. However, since the nation has accepted it, I go along and have sworn allegiance to it .

The same applies elsewhere , those who have reservations on other subjects can either seek immigration or lump it.
 
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I have issues with some parts of the Constitution. However, since the nation has accepted it, I go along and have sworn allegiance to it .

The same applies elsewhere , those who have reservations on other subjects can either seek immigration or lump it.


But you do not get the agreement from Muslims.

Muslims will never agree to idol worship. It is prohibited.
 
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