Is anyone else Agnostic/Atheist here?

[The HBS Guy]

I'd have to disagree with you here. There are many things in this world that are here without a purpose. For example, what is the purpose of a person being born deaf/dumb/blind? What is the purpose of schizoprenia, and other mental disorders? What is the purpose of the floodings/earthquakes/tornadoes which cause lots of damage and take away many peoples' lives? What is the purpose of cancer and viruses? What is the purpose of other planets to exist when no human being can live a sustainable life on them?

It's called 'Karma' in Hinduism/Sikhism/Buddhism/Jainism etc.

 

[Andross]

It's called 'Karma' in Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism etc.

You forgot Sikhism

 

[The HBS Guy]

You forgot Sikhism

Oh I didn't know Sikhism also had the concept of Karma. Lemme edit my post

 

[Andross]

Oh I didn't know Sikhism also had the concept of Karma. Lemme edit my post

yep and reincarnation and the cycle of time like Kalyug is in all dharmic religions.

 

[Hyde]

I want to reply - i want to reply - i want to reply

but i know then religious discussion will begin which in fact has already begun

God has made everything with a purpose...

 

[JonAsad]

I'd have to disagree with you here. There are many things in this world that are here without a purpose. For example, what is the purpose of a person being born deaf/dumb/blind? What is the purpose of schizoprenia, and other mental disorders? What is the purpose of the floodings/earthquakes/tornadoes which cause lots of damage and take away many peoples' lives? What is the purpose of cancer and viruses? What is the purpose of other planets to exist when no human being can live a sustainable life on them?

Compare the purpose of living things- that matters in context of religion or beliefs-
To Talk about diseases or disability- it doesn't matter if you believe in God or Not-- Remain in context plz-

The diseases or mental conditions you have inquired about has a reason- the reason why it is there- and that reason ultimately tells about the purpose-

For instance to answer one of your example- A common reason for a Cancer is Smoking a cigarette- The cigarette is the reason for that cancer- so that leads to the purpose- Do not smoke if you dont want cancer-

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

when Agnostic/Atheist are in trouble who they pray too. If you see people from any religion praying they are happy people. I may not follow my religion in full but I pray a lot to all might in my private time and its more relaxing then any drug in the world , like a Sufi love for his God.

 

[CardSharp]

Is anyone else Agnostic/Atheist here?

Answer: Pretty much all Chinese members here bar a few Christians.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Questions regarding what a member believes are OK, but don't start cross-questioning or picking holes in their answer, since then you invite a religious discussion.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

when Agnostic/Atheist are in trouble who they pray too. If you see people from any religion praying they are happy people. I may not follow my religion in full but I pray a lot to all might in my private time and its more relaxing then any drug in the world , like a Sufi love for his God.

I run and/or lift weights - relaxes me and improves my mood. Going out with friends occasionally works as well.

 

[Iota]

THIS TOPIC IS NOT A TOPIC THAT RIDICULES RELIGIONS OR PEOPLE OF ANY FAITH/BELIEF, THIS TOPIC IS NOT HERE FOR DEBATE, THIS TOPIC IS NOT HERE TO OFFEND ANYONE, THIS TOPIC IS NOT A RELIGIOUS TOPIC. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY, AND DON'T GO OFF-TOPIC!

AS AN AGNOSTIC, I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF SUPERIOR TO PEOPLE OF ANY RELIGION OR THINK I'M BETTER THAN THEM.

I'M NOT ENDORSING AGNOSTICISM OR ATHEISM, THIS TOPIC IS HERE SO PEOPLE CAN SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE.

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Purpose: The purpose of this thread is to share how I or any other PakDefence members became an agnostic/atheist, and also so other people of other faiths can understand how/why it happened. It's important for people of other faiths to understand each other. I respect people of all religions regardless of whether they're Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Jains, etc. The problem is that agnostics/atheists are so misunderstood by people, and here is a chance for people of faith to understand why they are the way they are. We can't discuss this in Pakistan for fear of death penalty from either Blasphemy law or Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:84:57 Hadith.

How I Became an Agnostic: I was born in USA to two Pakistani parents, who believe in Islam but don't practice it. The only thing I knew about Islam was that I wasn't allowed to eat pork and I wasn't allowed to drink alcohol. When I was in high school, my older brother started getting religious and following Islam after he met this Muslim girl at work (who later became his wife).

My older brother started teaching me how to pray, and I even started fasting as well. I prayed 5 times a day, and fasted, went to the Masjid, did my Sunnah prayers, etc. It was just like a spiritual exercise for me as I never really thought much about the religion because I had a busy life when I was in high school. I worked 12 hour shifts, and overtime so I just never really thought about religion. After graduating high school I started college. My older brother died in an accident during Ramadan, and I still had faith in Islam regardless of that.

After graduating high school I got my dream job, started going to college, and I also started studying Islam more. I realized that I must be skeptical of my own religion and question it in order to know whether or not it really is true, and that I'm not just following the religion because I'm a Pakistani or because my parents follow it. Because lets be honest, most of us trust our parents and we just follow whatever they tell us if at a young age they tell us that we belong to a certain religion and it's the right way, we believe it. Being.

I started reading the Quran in English, as I had never read it before despite fasting/praying/going to the Masjid (I just recited Arabic verses during prayer without knowing the meanings). When I started reading the Quran I was even more confused about Islam. I went to the Masjid and had the Imam explain things that I did not understand. I read the whole Quran, and after reading it and studying how it was created I became an unbeliever. I saw too many contradictions inside there. I did some research on the history of Islam, and also found out some disturbing facts (won't post here so no one is offended). I started studying Science more and found out about evolution. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence for Evolution out there. There were too many things in the Quran that I found were against my beliefs.

I still had the fear of hell, after I stopped believing in Islam. I reminded myself the reasons why I don't believe in Islam, and I also reminded myself that even if hell exists there is no way I will be in hell just for not believing in a certain religion if the God is merciful. I searched on the Internet and saw stories by other people and noticed that many people who told their parents about leaving their religion were disowned by their parents, or their parents were emotionally hurt. I decided to keep my agnosticism private, and pretend to believe in Islam in front of my parents because I don't want anything like that to happen to me. My parents would feel sorry for me and think I'm going to hell, and they'll have feelings of guilt if they knew I was not Muslim.

Despite not being Muslim, I don't eat pork and will never drink alcohol or do any drugs. I respect people of all religions and no religion equally. I'm still the same person I always was, but I'm just not superstitious anymore. Well, except for the fact that I do still believe in a higher power (which I guess I can call God) but don't claim that it's really there because there is no evidence. I hope that there is an afterlife, but no one really knows whether or not there will be. I believe it is highly likely that this is the only life we have, and I'll try to make the best of it. To me religion or no religion is not something I care about, but I feel that people need to be tolerant of people of all faiths and sects (e.g. Ahmadi, Shiite, Orthodox, Evangelical, etc.). In the end of the day we are all human, and should think about people as humans, and not think about religion or no religion. Everyone should educate themselves, follow what they believe is right, and be tolerant of others.

 

[Iota]

Mods please close this topic, I created a better topic here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/member...me-agnostic-atheist-challenges-you-faced.html

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

I run and/or lift weights - relaxes me and improves my mood. Going out with friends occasionally works as well.

me too , yap people who do exercise are happy people 2

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Mods please close this topic, I created a better topic here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/member...me-agnostic-atheist-challenges-you-faced.html

How about I merge them and keep the new title? Some interesting responses on this thread.

 

[true_indian]

I personally believe that there is a higher power than us call it Rama, Allah, Jesus or anyone for that matter. I believe if you set your mind to it, one can achieve anything. That higher power will see to it. Just laying lazy all the time wouldn't get you anywhere. Even God can't and won't help you.