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[Ray_Atek]

the question is at which range , the solution is to stay away and increase the range of weapons

Yes.
Ofcource the range is a solution.
The drone should fly at low altitude.
But it can limit the uav air force.

 

[drmeson]

Can somebody please edit the Wikipedia page of Kowsar? It's full of misinformation or deliberate attempts at hiding info.

It says 4 are built while photographic evidence exists for the production of at least 11-12 airframes with 3 operational already.

Owj engine pic needs to be added too.

Also the radar picture needs to be added like in most of the fighter plane wiki pages.

Avionics suit section is totally empty while tons of devices were unvieled along with Kowsar to be used in it such as RWR etc.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Can somebody please edit the Wikipedia page of Kowsar? It's full of misinformation or deliberate attempts at hiding info.

It says 4 are built while photographic evidence exists for the production of at least 11-12 airframes with 3 operational already.

Owj engine pic needs to be added too.

Also the radar picture needs to be added like in most of the fighter plane wiki pages.

Avionics suit section is totally empty while tons of devices were unvieled along with Kowsar to be used in it such as RWR etc.

For the Kowsar 1 and 2 it is more than 24 built. Double-seater and single-seater

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Army day 2022

 

[VEVAK]

Been gone for a while so not

Nothing more than a tech demonstrator...

 

[Stryker1982]

Been gone for a while so not

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Nothing more than a tech demonstrator...

Great to see you back Vevak!

 

[WudangMaster]

Been gone for a while so not

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Nothing more than a tech demonstrator...

Glad to see you back; and Mr. Azarmehr has been saying this for some time in every interview on the MehrAein channel. It is a tech demonstrator and there is currently no desire for it so mass production will not happen however a great deal of knowledge and experience has been gained from the project that will be used in the future.

 

[VEVAK]

Great to see you back Vevak!

Glad to see you back; and Mr. Azarmehr has been saying this for some time in every interview on the MehrAein channel. It is a tech demonstrator and there is currently no desire for it so mass production will not happen however a great deal of knowledge and experience has been gained from the project that will be used in the future.

Thanks guy's! Good to be back!
Heading back to Iran in a few day's but i'll try to check in as much as I can!

 

[mohsen]

Been gone for a while so not

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Nothing more than a tech demonstrator...

Qaher313 = R&D, No Qaher313 = No R&D

 

[OldTwilight]

Glad to see you back; and Mr. Azarmehr has been saying this for some time in every interview on the MehrAein channel. It is a tech demonstrator and there is currently no desire for it so mass production will not happen however a great deal of knowledge and experience has been gained from the project that will be used in the future.

the problem of Iranian companies is that there is not documentation process of knowledge ... we even didn't write our own history in past 2500 years and let our foes to write about us ...

 

[VEVAK]

Qaher313 = R&D, No Qaher313 = No R&D

Azezam!!! I missed you too!
In a way your right, not much research went into it's development but I'm sure that's not what you meant!

Iran has other fighter project that will be better than the Q-313 don't worry this is a good thing!
I don't mind if they turn it into a UCAV but lets see how it does when it's test flights are complete.

Plus, the Kowsar is a far superior fighter jet than this Q-313 so I don't see why your so obsessed over it!

Smile Mohsen smile!

 

[mohsen]

Azezam!!! I missed you too!
In a way your right, not much research went into it's development but I'm sure that's not what you meant!

Iran has other fighter project that will be better than the Q-313 don't worry this is a good thing!
I don't mind if they turn it into a UCAV but lets see how it does when it's test flights are complete.

I meant what I wrote, there is no other project, there is no other funds, these morons even unveil drones before their development is finished, so when they don't show nothing, then you can be sure there is nothing. on paper, maybe, I can draw too!

Plus, the Kowsar is a far superior fighter jet than this Q-313 so I don't see why your so obsessed over it!

And I prefer Mohajer-4 and karrar over a fighter jet (Kowthar) which it's only weapons are fuel tank and rockets! army knows it too, that's why they sent it for aerobatic team!

 

[VEVAK]

I meant what I wrote, there is no other project, there is no other funds, these morons even unveil drones before their development is finished, so when they don't show nothing, then you can be sure there is nothing. on paper, maybe, I can draw too!


And I prefer Mohajer-4 and karrar over a fighter jet (Kowthar) which it's only weapons are fuel tank and rockets! army knows it too, that's why they sent it for aerobatic team!

Simply stated that the Kowsar was better than the Q-313 not that it was a good fighter jet!
It's a ok advanced trainer and that's about it!
You slap 2 x 1000lb bombs on an F-5/Kowsar it wouldn't be able to go 250 km from it's base before hitting bingo fuel! So yes you'll have more strike capability with 2 Raad 500 + 2 Fateh-110's at a fraction of the cost
For CAS missions same thing your better off with a few Sh-191 + a Few Sh-136 + M6+ 358's ...
In A2A when your radar doesn't even have the range of modern IRST's then you really don't have much of a chance....
All that said, it's still better than the Q313

 

[mohsen]

Simply stated that the Kowsar was better than the Q-313 not that it was a good fighter jet!
It's a ok advanced trainer and that's about it!
You slap 2 x 1000lb bombs on an F-5/Kowsar it wouldn't be able to go 250 km from it's base before hitting bingo fuel! So yes you'll have more strike capability with 2 Raad 500 + 2 Fateh-110's at a fraction of the cost
For CAS missions same thing your better off with a few Sh-191 + a Few Sh-136 + M6+ 358's ...
In A2A when your radar doesn't even have the range of modern IRST's then you really don't have much of a chance....
All that said, it's still better than the Q313

Qaher was planned as a stealth interceptor, anything else is just the path of it's development, so basically comparing it with Kowthar at this stage is irrelevant.

 

[TheImmortal]

Qaher was planned as a stealth interceptor

No it was not. In fact some on here were saying it was an anti ship plane. A bogus idea in the age of long range CM/AshCMs and drones equipped with PGMs.

Internal bay too small, bird of prey wings and weird intake placement ment high attitude was a death sentence. And interceptors are heavy fighters equipped with some of the most powerful engines (see F-14 of 1970’s). F-313 with 2 J-79’s was not intercepting anything.

F-313 was like someone took a F-5 then put a cheap stealth body kit on it.

The plane was too small. I thought if they could enlarge it by 200+%, fix the intakes, and forget the bird of prey niche feature then it could have a basis of being a medium fighter. But it became clear as the years went by the military was not going to sink money into the plane.

Honestly I didn’t hate the plane minus the wing tips and intake. It Just needed to be enlarged by a lot to fit proper amount of armaments, radar, and engines. But for Iran to go completely new design on its first attempt at a fighter jet that was not a F-5 was too risky. Without a AL-21/RD-33 level engine, these projects are dead on arrival.

Makes sense to reverse engineer and mass produce an already established fighter (not F-5). I mean how many different planes did China reverse engineer and copy until it’s first all domestic design?