Iraq offered new F-16 jets with older missiles

[Lankan Ranger]

Iraq offered new F-16 jets with older missiles

Iraq could receive 18 Lockheed Martin F-16s worth up to $4.2 billion and equipped with previous generation missiles and radar, according to the US government.

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency defined the configuration of an F-16IQ cleared for export to Iraq in a news release posted on 24 September.

DSCA says that Iraq has a asked for a "possible sale" of F-16s, although a final decision has not been made.

The US government is offering Iraq a model of the F-16 that would not include latest-generation missiles, such as the Raytheon AIM-120D AMRAAM and AIM-9X Sidewinder, nor active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

Instead, Iraq would be offered the AIM-9L/M-8/9 Sidewinder short-range missile, Raytheon AIM-7M-F1/H Sparrow medium-range missile and the Raytheon AGM-65D/G/H/K Maverick air to ground missile.
The US also would allow Northrop Grumman to supply the mechanically-scanned APG-68(V)9 radar.

The F-16s also would come with an array of electronic warfare, reconnaissance and targeting systems. The jets also could be powered by either Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 or General Electric F110-GE-129 engines.

Lockheed has been working to sell more F-16s to keep the fighter in production long enough to win a possible order by India for up to 126 fighters. The F-16 is one six fighters in contention for the Indian contract.

In August, Oman also requested a possible sale of 18 Lockheed F-16 Block 50/52s in a deal worth up to $3.5 billion.

Iraq offered new F-16s with older missiles

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

MAY BE OLD ONES,,,,,,,,,

 

[Archie]

MAY BE OLD ONES,,,,,,,,,

Iraq could receive 18 Lockheed Martin F-16s worth up to $4.2 billion and equipped with previous generation missiles and radar, according to the US government.

In August, Oman also requested a possible sale of 18 Lockheed F-16 Block 50/52s in a deal worth up to $3.5 billion.


If they are old ones then why would Iraq pay 4.2 Billion USD ie 230 Million USD a jet for them , even oman is acquiring F-16 , those are of same spec as pakistan and they cost 3.5 Billion USD .
Both these deals seem to be worth more than the 2.7 Billion USD which they are charging israel for supply of 24 F35 which is a generation ahead of F16

 

[Spring Onion]

For? is there anything left to be destroyed in Iraq?/

Iraq needs rebuilding not jets at the moment after destruction caused by US

 

[trident2010]

Hmm .. So it is same as PAF is operating currently.

But since they are paying for it, they must be looking for something state of the art and modern.

 

[Tuahaa]

For? is there anything left to be destroyed in Iraq?/

Iraq needs rebuilding not jets at the moment after destruction caused by US

After its destruction, this proves that they were looking for a puppet, oil rich country in that region. They're arming so they can get them to fight if the need arises.

Plus they make profit.

 

[Chogy]

AIM-9L/M (all-aspect IR) are some of the deadliest missiles in existence, with eye-watering Pk's. Nothing "antique" about them. If they were AIM-9P, then there'd be a beef.

The same with the AIM-7M. The M model had a short run due to the introduction of the AIM-120, but it was the last (and best) incarnation of that series. While it might not have the same range, it is a very effective missile.

Note that the majority of kills in Gulf War 1 were AIM-7M.

Air-Air victories of Desert Storm

There is a need for defense. There are simmering hostilities between Iraq and Iran, among others, and there's nothing wrong with defense of sovereign airspace.

 

[mjnaushad]

Hmm .. So it is same as PAF is operating currently.

But since they are paying for it, they must be looking for something state of the art and modern.

can you explain your post more?

 

[Jigs]

For? is there anything left to be destroyed in Iraq?/

Iraq needs rebuilding not jets at the moment after destruction caused by US

Iraq is the one requesting them so why not talk to them about it. Countries must have a credible defense and that includes Iraq.

Iraq’s official 18-plane – and weapons – request. (Sept 15/10)

Iraq’s military has made significant strides in recent years, and the country is ordering more advanced military equipment to match. A slew of 2008 requests aimed to spend over $10 billion to buy advanced armored vehicles, strengthen its national military supply chain, build new bases and infrastructure for its army, and even buy advanced scout helicopters. Budget shortfalls have stretched out those buys, but that situation is easing, even as Iraq’s air force continues to make progress.

Anxious to complete its transformation and stand fully on its own, Iraq is pushing to begin flying its own fighters within the next couple of years – and is looking to buy American F-16s, rather than the Soviet and French fighters that made up Saddam’s air force…

Read more here Iraq Seeks F-16 Fighters

 

[Jigs]

AIM-9L/M (all-aspect IR) are some of the deadliest missiles in existence, with eye-watering Pk's. Nothing "antique" about them. If they were AIM-9P, then there'd be a beef.

The same with the AIM-7M. The M model had a short run due to the introduction of the AIM-120, but it was the last (and best) incarnation of that series. While it might not have the same range, it is a very effective missile.

Note that the majority of kills in Gulf War 1 were AIM-7M.

Air-Air victories of Desert Storm

There is a need for defense. There are simmering hostilities between Iraq and Iran, among others, and there's nothing wrong with defense of sovereign airspace.

Here is the full list

The exact agreed-upon official request includes:

* 18 F-16IQ aircraft;
* 24 F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines;
* 24 APG-68v9 radar sets, the most modern radar available in Block 50 aircraft;
* 20 pairs of Conformal Fuel Tanks, which mount along the back/top of the F-16;
* 20 AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Systems (without Mode IV)
* 22 Advanced Countermeasures Electronic Systems (ACES), including the ALQ-187 Electronic Warfare System and AN/ALR-93 Radar Warning Receiver;
* 22 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispensing Systems (CMDS);
* 20 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems (INS), (using Standard Positioning Service (SPS) commercial code only)




The order also requests weapons and equipment to arm the fighters. Here, too, a number of requests reveal downgraded or past-generation equipment:, alongside other requests which are top of the line:

* 19 M61 20mm Vulcan multi-barrel cannons, which are mounted internally;
* 36 LAU-129/A Common Rail Launchers, which fit the F-16’s wingtips. They can be used with all AIM-9 missiles including the AIM-9X, and with the AIM-120 AMRAAM;
* 200 AIM-9L/M-8/9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. These missiles are effective, and the AIM-9M missiles are still in widespread American use, but they’re a generation behind the current AIM-9X;
* 150 AIM-7M-F1/H Sparrow Missiles. A couple of generations behind current beyond visual range air-to-air missiles. They lack the current AM-120 AMRAAM’s independent radar guidance and other improvements;
* 50 AGM-65D/G/H/K Maverick Air to Ground Missiles;
* 200 GBU-12 Paveway-II laser guided 500 lb. bombs;
* 50 GBU-10 Paveway-II laser guided 2,000 lb. bombs;
* 50 GBU-10 Paveway-III laser guided 2,000 lb. bombs with longer glide range and a “bunker busting” warhead;
* 20 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING advanced surveillance and targeting pods. Almost certain to be Lockheed Martin’s Sniper, given LITENING’s Israeli origins;
* 4 F-9120 Advanced Airborne Reconnaissance Systems (AARS) or DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods (RECCE)

Iraq Seeks F-16 Fighters

 

[trident2010]

can you explain your post more?

Sure !!

They got offered for F-16 blk 52 fighters without AESA radar. No AIM-9X Sidewinder. It is same as PAF is operating now.

However, if I am shleving $4bn+, why should I go for these why not F-16 blk 60 with AESA along with AIM-9X Sidewinder ?

 

[Jigs]

Sure !!

They got offered for F-16 blk 52 fighters without AESA radar. No AIM-9X Sidewinder. It is same as PAF is operating now.

However, if I am shleving $4bn+, why should I go for these why not F-16 blk 60 with AESA along with AIM-9X Sidewinder ?

Blk 50/52s don't have AESA radars and they never did. You can integrate AIM-9X into them though with the CCIP program depending on the level you choose. F-16 Block 60s are too expensive and they probably have restrictions on them.

 

[FNFAL]

cool new tool against iran i guess.....

with f-16`in the region, dependence on Isreal to start a confrontation with israel will decrease. Nor will it it raise any eyebrows of much concern i the arab world.
One muslim country attacking another.Even better if the shia -sunni divide can be capitalised.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Are Iraqis blind..Did anyone noticed 18 F-16s with associated equiptments and weapons for $4.2 billlion.

That is apprx $233 Million Per F-16 including weapons/other equiptments/training,
Some of the cost could go towards development of facitities..
Yet $4.2 billion is madness is astounding price cost. All i can say is its is the Iraqi regeme who wants ot destroy themselves..americans made really fool out of arabs.

 

[Jungibaaz]

cool new tool against iran i guess.....

with f-16`in the region, dependence on Isreal to start a confrontation with israel will decrease. Nor will it it raise any eyebrows of much concern i the arab world.
One muslim country attacking another.Even better if the shia -sunni divide can be capitalised.

Scary how you want to see a sunni shia divide keep the confrontation to a political war not religious or you will be looking at a much graver situation.