Iranian diplomat: Assad turned his back on us and we do not have an exit strategy from Syria

[HannibalBarca]

There is no Shia-Sunni war, don't be stupid

And where did you see that i spoke about a war?

 

[Bratva]

Assad after all is an Alawite not a twelver Shia, so he might go different way from Iran.

Iran helped Assad government military because between bad and worse bad is better.

Initially when there was no Nusra, No ISIS, only the local people resisting do you consider them worst ?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Initially when there was no Nusra, No ISIS, only the local people resisting do you consider them worst ?

No need toargue with them... he will tell you that from the start , from the first day of the revo, it wasn't innocent civilians who marched for better equality /opportunities and justice from ASSad regime... but that was a Zionist-illuminati-AQ-US hand...

But he forgot that, their own "islamic" revo was also seen like that by foreigners...
The same thing that Iran is doing and saying about ASSAd and those rebels... THe US said and did the same back in their "revolution" days... but Hyprocrisy and arrogance will always push him to tell otherwise...

 

[OldTwilight]

same story is gonna happen about Palestine-isreal issue, iran will be a looser anyway. even if once upon a time iran liberates palestine, it turns to an arab country like saudi, UAE, jordan and ..etc. Although they will never be able to do that.
for long years iran is loosing its sources and suffering for nothing.
even right now dogmatic officials still cant decide wisely, the exit strategy is cooperating with EU and qatar to reduce russian influences in syria. after aleppo liberating, EU is out of the game and russians are leading.

One of their worst move was to help to creation of Hashd Al Shabi , in long term this will pose great danger to us !! its matter of times before Iraqi nationalist begin their pan-arab campaign and as far as I know Iraqi shia , for them being an Arab is 10 times more important than being a shia ... so we create PGCC foot solders by our hand !!!

they are repeating what Shah did with Iraq's Kurds in 1970s .... they don't see anything beyond their nose ....

 

[HannibalBarca]

One of their worst move was to help to creation of Hashd Al Shabi , in long term this will pose great danger to us !?

they are repeating what Shah did with Iraq's Kurds in 1970s .... they don't see anything beyond their nose ....

I think few of them knows, but they can't do anything about it, they do not have the power today to fully change/influence their strategy, so they hope by giving this "Iraqi Hezbollah" look a like some sort of power, they think they will get another "loyal" friend... Little they know, THey are just creating a uncontrollable monster...

They are doing the same mistake KSA has done in the past (and still doing for few) by aiding AQ or any radical groups...
Sometimes, I ask myself why? WHY? do they repeat the same mistake, can't they open an history book and see by themselfs THAT IT'S DOOMED to fail!!???

or

Do they think, they are in some sort different to others and think that could NEVER happen to them??

 

[SOHEIL]

 

[Max]

lol. Your regime is doing fine, if you thought you can cantrol those 3 capitals like your general claimed then you were playing with yourselves, all you can do is maintain freindly relations and infulence along with Russia, so atleast they dont turn their back on you.. Dont expect anything more then this.

 

[Star Expedition]

As a leader of global Shia, Iran has to do what he needs to.
Syria has to get victory first and then do his part in Shia family.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

As a leader of global Shia, Iran has to do what he needs to.
Syria has to get victory first and then do his part in Shia family.

What makes Iran an "global leader of Shias"?

Shia Islam originated in Arabia (modern-day KSA) it's most holy sites are located in Arabia (modern-day KSA and Southern Iraq (Karbala and Najaf), it's most respected historical personalities are all Arabs. So were its most important historical clerics/leaders/rulers and to this very day this is also the case. Even the Iranian Mullah's almost all claim Arab ancestry including the current and past Supreme Leader. Both never making this a secret (but openly boosting about it) and also speaking Arabic fluently.

The most important Shia dynasty in history was the Fatimid dynasty that were ruled by people originally from Hijaz (modern-day Western KSA).

In fact modern-day Iraq (Southern Iraq to be more precisely and Najaf and Karbala in particular) are the leading centers of Shia Islam.

And Al-Assad does not equal Syria. This maniac and his minority regime has lost all legitimacy and if not for outside interference (mostly Russian) they would not rule anything currently.

I understand that you are a Chinese and thus I do not demand you to know much about such topics but a bit of knowledge before commenting would be good.

One of their worst move was to help to creation of Hashd Al Shabi , in long term this will pose great danger to us !! its matter of times before Iraqi nationalist begin their pan-arab campaign and as far as I know Iraqi shia , for them being an Arab is 10 times more important than being a shia ... so we create PGCC foot solders by our hand !!!

they are repeating what Shah did with Iraq's Kurds in 1970s .... they don't see anything beyond their nose ....

This happens when you are ruled by deluded people who instead of trying to make friends with neighbors that they had cordial ties with not long ago and historically speaking (trade, mutual settlement etc.), are doing what they have been doing since 1979.

What did you expect exactly? That some of the most proud people on earth (Arabs) would suddenly become Iranians overnight? That Iraqi Shia Arabs would serve your regimes agenda as slaves and fight wars for you in Syria and elsewhere? Or harm themselves and fellow Arabs just to please you?

Understand that their actions have nothing to do with you but their own aspirations and worries about their rivals. Mostly those worries are bound in delusion and fear of the vast Sunni Arab majority. For instance Alawites and Shia volunteers from the Arab world, one of their strongest arguments to interfere in Syria, is the fear of some "Salafi/Jihadi/whatever they call it" conspiracy where every non-Sunni Arab will be murdered. They believe this openly.

Are you angry that Al-Abadi has fixed the relationship with most Arab countries excluding Qatar?

When did any foreigner/invader ever succeed in influencing us to such a degree or make us lose our identity? The answer is never and I swear by all the Prophets and my mother's life that this will never happen.

 

[Star Expedition]

What makes Iran an "global leader of Shias"?

Shia Islam originated in Arabia (modern-day KSA) it's most holy sites are located in Arabia (modern-day KSA and Southern Iraq (Karbala and Najaf), it's most respected historical personalities are all Arabs. So were its most important historical clerics/leaders/rulers and to this very day.

The most important Shia dynasty in history was the Fatimid dynasty that were ruled by people originally from Hijaz (modern-day Western KSA).

In fact modern-day Iraq (Southern Iraq to be more precisely and Najaf and Karbala in particular) are the leading centers of Shia Islam.

And Al-Assad does not equal Syria. This maniac and his minority regime has lost all legitimacy and if not for outside interference (mostly Russian) they would not rule anything currently.

I understand that you are a Chinese and thus I do not demand you to know much about such topics but a bit of knowledge before commenting would be good.

You can't limit your vision when Islam has been a global religion. A imam in Iran is Same as those in peninsula or other place.

Although it was not perfect for Syria under Assad's rulings, there is no deaths like today.
Do you really think western unions just wants to bring you democracy?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

There is no Shia-Sunni war, don't be stupid

No, but there is a clash of interests/influence between regimes who tend to misuse religion. So in way this conflict exists in the minds of some people. Too many in fact.

It should be the foremost goal of both KSA/GCC/much of the Arab world and Iran to amend ties and stop this lunacy that was nowhere to be seen pre-1979.

You can't limit your vision when Islam has been a global religion. A imam in Iran is Same as those in peninsula or other place.

Although it was not perfect for Syria under Assad's rulings, there is no deaths like today.
Do you really think western unions just wants to bring you democracy?

I am afraid that you did not understand the content of my post.

My position on Syria is clear. Let the Syrians decide their own future and nobody else. We as their brothers and sisters will help them on all fronts whenever they want to but obviously nobody can tell us/lie to us that Al-Assad has the backing of most Syrians. This is a absurd lie. Fellow Arab countries are hosting 5 million + Syrian refugees. We know who/from what they escaped from. They tell us ourselves openly.

And have no worries regardless of who rules any Arab country most people will prefer China over the US (due to past policies) so Assad or not does not matter from your perspective. Any Chinese support for Al-Assad will only be seen negatively by most Syrians and Arabs and China will be shooting itself in the foot in this regard when it is completely unnecessary. If China for instance had supported the opposition initially they could have helped to install a pro-Chinese government and such a gesture would be remembered by Syrians forever. The same can be sad about Arab and other regimes. However lack of action from the world community (shameful, very shameful) and Russia's later involvement (years after the conflict started) changed the situation currently but Al-Assad is on loan in any case.

 

[Star Expedition]

No, but there is a clash of interests/influence between regimes who tend to misuse religion. So in way this conflict exists in the minds of some people. Too many in fact.

It should be the foremost goal of both KSA/GCC/much of the Arab world and Iran to amend ties and stop this lunacy that was nowhere to be seen pre-1979.



I am afraid that you did not understand the content of my post.

My position on Syria is clear. Let the Syrians decide their own future and nobody else. We as their brothers and sisters will help them on all fronts whenever they want to but obviously nobody can tell us/lie to us that Al-Assad has the backing of most Syrians. This is a absurd lie. Fellow Arab countries are hosting 5 million + Syrian refugees. We know who/from what they escaped from. They tell us ourselves openly.

And have no worries regardless of who rules any Arab country most people will prefer China over the US (due to past policies) so Assad or not does not matter from your perspective. Any Chinese support for Al-Assad will only be seen negatively by most Syrians and Arabs and China will be shooting itself in the foot in this regard when it is completely unnecessary. If China for instance had supported the opposition initially they could have helped to install a pro-Chinese government and such a gesture would be remembered by Syrians forever. The same can be sad about Arab and other regimes. However lack of action from the world community (shameful, very shameful) and Russia's later involvement (years after the conflict started) changed the situation currently but Al-Assad is on loan in any case.

That's a dream. It won't happen. If you know your position in Middle East.

Democracy is not necessary if you know Turkey.

Only the most powerful man can lead the country, not the majority.

 

[Star Expedition]

@Star Expedition (I cannot quote your post yet)

What is a dream? You must be specific here as you are replying to a fairly long post.

I have never talked about democracy anywhere. You are the one that started talking about it. All I am saying that Syrians themselves should decide and nobody else but that we as fellow Arabs should help our brothers and sisters (at least the ordinary people and not our regimes - mostly bad apples) on all fronts and whenever they (Syrians) want our help.

Not sure what Turkey has to do with anything here?

That is your opinion. I think that we should led the Syrians decide themselves what they need. Pre-Al-Assad (before the early 1970's) the majority (Sunni Arabs) ruled Syria as they did throughout most of recorded Islamic history of Syria and they are the historical rulers, leading social class, most educated ones and the ones who form the backbone of the academic, economic, cultural etc. backbone of Syria. The only thing that Alawites and minorities control/dominate is the military. That is how they came to power to begin.

Google "The Alawi Capture of Power in Syria" by Daniel Pipes, Middle Eastern Studies, 1989.

Read and learn my friend.

Let me also tell you another thing. If you solely look at this from a "anti-Western viewpoint" understand that potential successors of Al-Assad would not be more pro-West. In fact much the opposite given recent events and silence of the West in Syria and support for Syrian Kurds (separatist in the eyes of 90% of all Syrians regardless of religion and sect). The leaders of this world are too afraid to change policies. KSA and countless of Arab regimes could, if just using more common sense and trying to bet on different horses, have solved many things more differently and for the better. Imagination is a good thing.

You have thoughts for Syria's future.
But they are dreams.

Reality is much complicated than you think.

It seems you only care about news , not history or real business.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You have thoughts for Syria's future.
But they are dreams.

Reality is much complicated than you think.

It seems you only care about news , not history or real business.

I am quite sure that we two are not discussing from a similar starting point when it comes to knowledge about Syria and its history. Let's make that very clear if it was not already.

Syrian Sunni Arab majority rule (as was the case always pre-Al-Assad) is as big a dream as Han-majority rule in China.

Or maybe by your logic the minority Manchu dynasty that ruled all of China for almost 300 years (Qing Dynasty) should have ruled China to this very day and forever?

I highly doubt that you speak Arabic so I will once again advice you to read the article I mentioned. I cannot sadly post the link.

Google "The Alawi Capture of Power in Syria" by Daniel Pipes, Middle Eastern Studies, 1989.

Everything is explained there in detail.

Anyway what is wrong with Syrians deciding their own future? The only problem that I can see with this formula for the Al-Assad supporters is that the majority of Syrians (diaspora included here that recently were FORCED to escape) would vote him out and not only that lynch him too after what he did to Syria and the Syrian people.

 

[Star Expedition]

I understand you, but you don't understand me.
But that doesn't matter. You can still do what you want.
The ocean begins from a drop. Although not every drop leads to an ocean.