Intercepted Phone Call Shows U.S. Role in Ukraine

[JayAtl]

I have no clue what point you're trying to make...you sound insane though and think by adding a shock factor to your rants against me it will somehow dissuade members from me on this forum but people here know me better than you. What a sad existence.

what others think or not about you - I could care less, but every time you make an assainie claim and I show you as making one- you suddenly feign outrage. LOL

 

[Falcon29]

what others think or not about you - I could care less, but every time you make an assainie claim and I show you as making one- you suddenly feign outrage. LOL

I still don't get what point you're trying to get across, take a couple Cymbalta pills maybe this is what you need since you come back with the same baseless rants every few months.

 

[JayAtl]

I still don't get what point you're trying to get across, take a couple Cymbalta pills maybe this is what you need since you come back with the same baseless rants every few months.

I will trade for those pills if you lay down your suicide vest

 

[Falcon29]

I will trade for those pills if you lay down your suicide vest

You were speaking about being a reasonable person but obviously the person messed up here is you.

Of course whenever these bigots go on rants they don't make any points or contributions to the thread at all and avoid proving their accusations.

He's gonna try to troll away now since he knows he's a disingenuous human being.

 

[Chronos]

Could be wrong, but I guess her point is the usual "everything is America's fault" PDF circle jerk thread.

screw you!

My car broke down last night. It was America, the great satan

 

[rubyjackass]

and.. your point is?

Isn't it obvious?
1. US is still following cold war game plans. While publicly saying Ukrainians alone decide, they are trying to decide who becomes prime minister. I haven't seen anything in the wikileaks which is this specific about US's meddling in a country, specifically installing a new guy.
2. They are using UN as their errand boys. No such blatant examples seen in wikileaks. Issues like Pakistan and Libya where US meddled in wikileaks could be justified as security or humanitarian issues. Ukraine is a complete whimsical exercise.
3. Not only are they aggressive about imposing their plans on Ukraine, they are so arrogant that they respond to the EU's neutrality(relative) on the issue with '**** the EU'.
4. There is also a short lesson on how US manages 'personalities'. To please people with big egos, the 'higher-ups' will talk to them. Simple yet interesting MO. Imagine what happens in countries like India. Lalu or for that matter any Indian poodle leader will be flattered if they got a call from Victoria Nuland instead of from US ambassador.

May be Russia does the same. But two wrongs don't make it right. Now we know what happens if US is allowed to talk to anyone in a country. A classic modern and current 'Divide and Rule' example.

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Typical fascist Yankee terrorism. Repulsive country. Killed over 300 million people all across the world since 1776. Now they want to exterminate all the Ukranians.

 

[Nan Yang]

I'm more concerned about Russians spying.

Yeah, listening on peoples telephone conversation. How damn unethical.

 

[JayAtl]

Isn't it obvious?
1. US is still following cold war game plans. While publicly saying Ukrainians alone decide, they are trying to decide who becomes prime minister. I haven't seen anything in the wikileaks which is this specific about US's meddling in a country, specifically installing a new guy.
2. They are using UN as their errand boys. No such blatant examples seen in wikileaks. Issues like Pakistan and Libya where US meddled in wikileaks could be justified as security or humanitarian issues. Ukraine is a complete whimsical exercise.
3. Not only are they aggressive about imposing their plans on Ukraine, they are so arrogant that they respond to the EU's neutrality(relative) on the issue with '**** the EU'.
4. There is also a short lesson on how US manages 'personalities'. To please people with big egos, the 'higher-ups' will talk to them. Simple yet interesting MO. Imagine what happens in countries like India. Lalu or for that matter any Indian poodle leader will be flattered if they got a call from Victoria Nuland instead of from US ambassador.

May be Russia does the same. But two wrongs don't make it right. Now we know what happens if US is allowed to talk to anyone in a country. A classic modern and current 'Divide and Rule' example.

what? since when are opinions about who is most favorable to the US, mere words = us installing someone? where do you guys come up with 2+2= 5? . How is the US using UN as errand boys? there is nothing but talk about getting an ( new) US UN rep in place.

perhaps you have a naive outlook about diplomacy and how countries vie to put themselves in better positions. perhaps that is why we see the Indians with such abject failings when it comes to foreign affairs and diplomacy. At least we come forth and exert our influence to our national interests morally by being on the side of the people. Instead of sitting back and watching us being taken advantage of by every country, six ways to sunday.

This is the real world and you have to look out for what's best in nations interest. The fact that we are supporting their citizenry makes it all the more noble.

their people will vote their leader

 

[vostok]

May be Russia does the same. But two wrongs don't make it right. Now we know what happens if US is allowed to talk to anyone in a country. A classic modern and current 'Divide and Rule' example.

Russia has the right to interfere in the affairs of Ukraine. Most Ukrainian citizens - citizens of the former USSR. The majority of Ukrainian citizens - speak Russian and have relatives in Russia . In Ukraine lives 8-17 million Russian by nationality. Industry of Ukraine and Russia - a single complex.
Hundreds of thousands , if not millions of Ukrainian citizens also have Russian citizenship .
But America and the European Union have no rights to do so. They generally have no right to interfere in our affairs.

 

[rubyjackass]

what? since when are opinions about who is most favorable to the US, mere words = us installing someone? where do you guys come up with 2+2= 5? . How is the US using UN as errand boys? there is nothing but talk about getting an ( new) US UN rep in place.

perhaps you have a naive outlook about diplomacy and how countries vie to put themselves in better positions. perhaps that is why we see the Indians with such abject failings when it comes to foreign affairs and diplomacy. At least we come forth and exert our influence to our national interests morally by being on the side of the people. Instead of sitting back and watching us being taken advantage of by every country, six ways to sunday.

This is the real world and you have to look out for what's best in nations interest. The fact that we are supporting their citizenry makes it all the more noble.

their people will vote their leader

Pfft... you are naive on this subject here. Don't blindly support USA. Wake up.

 

[KAL-EL]

Are you speaking of OP? I know she's made over the top threads which we've called her out on, every single one of us mocked and laughed at her. However, some of her content is truthful and accurate. We can discuss things and her personal record is up for people to decide since we've been here long enough.

People pile on here because we're seeking to balance the mainstream perspective of the average person, most of the world and population falls for propaganda pitted against non western nations and this can result in disasters consequences for non western nations while western nations get free passes for their affairs. There are many other forums speaking in favor of the West and this one is to seek a balance or alternative to that perspective.

I know our people are great people, we get along amazingly, some elements seek to cause tension between us(media, organizations, corporates, lobbyists) and this is where ignorance arises. We have a problem with ignorance which is both intentional but largely from not knowing any better. Our people could have a better impact on this world if we didn't suck up to western politics and government agendas. Just imagine how we could influence in the world in a more positive way.

We non western ethnicity people's are not naive at all and understand worldwide politics better than most do and this is why we don't read an article and go along with it. Our nature is to rebel and investigate every aspect of 'journalism' and this is how everyone's mindset should be like.

Wasn't specifically referring to the OP, it was more of a general statement. None the less, still glad you acknowledge some of the over the top stuff. in addition, the crybaby remark wasn't necessary. in retrospect, id like to think you realize that. As I have never responded to you like that. Now regarding your post, I actually agree with it a lot of it.. There are just somethings we just will have to agree to disagree on.