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First of all, here is how "Wikipedia" introduces Abbas Abdi:

Abbas Abdi (/ɑːˈboʊseɪ ɑːbˈdiː/ (About this soundlisten); Persian: عباس عبدی‎; born 1 October 1956) is one of Iran's most influential reformists, journalist, self-taught sociologist and social activist.


Indeed, he isn't a nobody by any means, but highly representative of reformist and generally of liberal thinking in Iran.

Secondly, this is what he claims in this televised debate (minute 8 in the video below):

"The reason for the failure of the negotiations is that you balked halfway through. You went and carried through something else [than what you negotiated]."

This person is so exaggeratedly western-apologetic and out of sync with reality, that he will even fail to acknowledge it was the US regime under Trump and even under Obama (since Obama started violating the JCPOA in the first place by slapping new sanctions on Iran), which caused the failure of any negotiation process between Tehran and the so-called P5+1. Frankly, no comment.

All I'll say is that if these western-subservient liberals aren't sidelined from Iranian politics and neutered one way or another (peacefully, which is possible), then Iran is going to suffer serious setbacks and even potential collapse and destruction, given how these people are keen on bowing to every US demand, in other words disarming Iran and opening it up to aggression by her powerful enemies.

 
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First of all, here is how "Wikipedia" introduces Abbas Abdi:

Abbas Abdi (/ɑːˈboʊseɪ ɑːbˈdiː/ (About this soundlisten); Persian: عباس عبدی‎; born 1 October 1956) is one of Iran's most influential reformists, journalist, self-taught sociologist and social activist.


Indeed, he isn't a nobody by any means, but highly representative of reformist and generally of liberal thinking in Iran.

Secondly, this is what he claims in this televised debate (minute 8 in the video below):

"The reason for the failure of the negotiations is that you balked halfway through. You went and carried through something else [than what you negotiated]."

This person is so exaggeratedly western-apologetic and out of sync with reality, that he will even fail to acknowledge it was the US regime under Trump and even under Obama before him (since Obama started violating the JCPOA in the first place by slapping new sanctions on Iran) which caused the failure of any negotiation process between Tehran and the so-called P5+1. Frankly, no comment.

All I'll say is that if these western-subservient liberals aren't sidelined from Iranian politics and neutered one way or another (peacefully, which is possible), then Iran is going to suffer serious setbacks and even potential collapse and destruction, given how these people are keen on bowing to every US demand, in other words disarming Iran and opening it up to aggression by her powerful enemies.

Any chance you can give us a quick synopsis on that segment? .
What do you think that he was meaning by "You went and carried through something else [than what you negotiated]"?.
 
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Any chance you can give us a quick synopsis on that segment? .
What do you think that he was meaning by "You went and carried through something else [than what you negotiated]"?

In the snippets that are featured in the video, Abbas Abdi starts off by challenging the MP's of the newly elected Parliament (which has a strong principlist / revolutionary majority), daring them to block whatever agreement might result from the ongoing talks in Vienna.

He then says that the previous Parliament, which famously approved the JCPOA after a session lasting only 20 minutes, had a principlist majority as well (don't know to what extent this is correct), and that the deal was then validated by the Guardian Council, adding: "What are you talking about when you say you oppose [the JCPOA]? If it wasn't for the JCPOA, you wouldn't even find any water to drink. On this point, Rohani is right."

Followed by: "All you're saying is, why did the JCPOA fail? It has its own specific reasons, which can be discussed indeed. But look at the state of the country before the JCPOA took shape. We had a negative growth rate of 6-7%, we had an inflation rate above 35%, and the employment situation, everything was down. Then you say why did they go negotiate... The reason for the failure of the negotiations is that you balked halfway through. You went and enacted something else."

As then reminded by Omid Dana, the reformist argument is that things such as ballistic missile tests (mostly done by the IRGC and similar institutions and probably without the approval of the Rohani administration) are supposedly at fault.

Abdi goes on: "Then you say, for example, why did he negotiate? Well fine then, don't negotiate. As of tomorrow, let's see if you dare not to negotiate. Like a man, like a man. Now wait and I'll show you. You are standing in line for negotiations."

Upon which Omid Dana adds that this last point may well be true. And that Zarif's words might get vindicated, when he suggested that those who oppose the JCPOA are opposing it because they themselves weren't the ones to negotiate it. Their issue, according to Zarif, is with the fact that the moderate-reformist coalition government did the negotiations. And if the latter vacate the seat of power, the principlists / revolutionaries will want to go negotiate in turn.

According to Dana, whispers can be heard here and there among the principlist / revolutionary camp suggesting that Iran should hold "good" negotiations, i.e. from a position of power. To which Dana replies that there are no "good" and "bad" negotiations, and that the most important point is here to correctly identify why Iran has been sanctioned in the first place: they sanctioned Iran in order to exert pressure on her. Exert pressure so that Iran goes to the negotiating table and makes unilateral concessions there. In which case they'll remove some of the sanctions. "Now, these gentlemen are saying "let's go negotiate because the US has sanctioned us" - which is exactly the reason why the US sanctioned Iran, to get her to negotiate" (read: make considerable concessions while obtaining little in return). Therefore, under these circumstances and considering Iran's 40+ years of experience with the US, any negotiation is wrong by essence.

This experience, Dana further expounds, ought to show everyone that the sanctions are here to stay unless Iran neutralizes their impact, in which case they will be lifted. The fact that they accepted to grant Iran its right to enrich uranium to up to 20% (after initially insisting on a 2% or so limit) was not a result of talks and negotiations, but stemmed from the efforts of Iranian scientists. So now the Americans are trying to have Iran settle for 20% as the upper limit. If Iran wants to be entitled to 90% enrichment, this will not be achieved at the negotiation table but at Iran's nuclear sites.

Abdi is shown again, stating: "What are these things you're saying against the JCPOA? I don't know, some camera moved up or down there. They took a decision to sanction you, they caused you over 100 billion dollars of damage. That whole million dollar there has no worth." "You don't even have access to your dollars. Why did you even yield to the JCPOA? Why did you validate it? You validate it and then balk, I mean this is not how you manage a country."

Dana then resumes his commentary, stating that while he rejects the dishonesty of liberals (many of whose offspring reside in North America, and who can walk in and out of the US without a problem) when it comes to Iran "balking" at the negotiation process, Abdi does have a point insofar as the Islamic Republic will ultimately have to make up its mind, and that this will happen in the upcoming election by the grace of God. The Revolution's goal was for Iran to resist [the imperialists]. So if we want to resist, Dana explains, it's not right that generals Soleimani and Hamadani travel the region only for liberals to leak their movements to the enemy. But if we are to capitulate, Dana pursues, "then you made a mistake to overthrow the shah".

Now Rohani and company are pretending that we can't resist against "the world" (by which they mean the western victors of WW2), we must accomodate it. "Well if you wanted to accomodate", says Dana, "the shah was a better choice for that, he had more appealing looks" (Dana is striking a humorous tone here), his government was granting more social freedoms, so were you crazy to do a Revolution?" Rohani and Abdi (and present time liberals in general) used to belong to the most radical factions of the early days of the Revolution. And so, Dana argues, they ought to be ashamed about aiming for a return to pre-revolutionary conditions now after 43 years. "Since the shah was already making all these unilateral concessions, without Iran losing so many martyrs" (in the Iran-Iraq war and so on).

"And back then, the Americans had not decided to balkanize and dismantle Iran. Do not forget that. The US and its agenda took such a hit at the hands of the Islamic Republic that today they have decided on balkanization." "If the Islamic Republic abandons midway the path it took, it will have committed an act of treason to Iran." "On the path which the Islamic Republic initiated, there's no turning back."

"We gave so many martyrs, so many greats on the level of Soleimani disappeared so that you [liberals] may return to the path the shah was treading? We won't allow it; this time, us, the Iranist movement [nationalists] are going to grab you by the collar."

Another snippet from the TV show follows, with Abdi saying: "The reason why the JCPOA reached a dead end, is that foreign policy was not in conformity with the JCPOA. In that case, you shouldn't have validated the JCPOA in the first place. Your Parliament validated it. And your Guardian Council validated it."

Dana goes on for three to four additional minutes, but I now almost translated the whole thing!

This illustrates, by the way, the level of freedom of speech prevailing in the Islamic Republic, and how completely opposite views are expressed by activists and/or officials from the different camps on national TV.

I deliberately included many of the comments made by Omid Dana, so as to offer you and all other non-Farsi-speaking regulars of the section a glimpse into the discourse of this vlogger whose clips you regularly see being shared here, possibly asking yourself what exactly he might be on about.

His discourse is indeed quite efficient and appeals to various categories of Iranian society. In all likelihood, nobody has managed to rally behind the flag as many Iranians who used to be opposed to the Islamic Republic due to being susceptible to the anti-IR propaganda campaign sponsored by Iran's enemies, that is the zio-Americans and their assorted clients in the west and in Iran's neighborhood. Among Dana's followers one will thus find scores of people who have nothing in common with the IR on the ideological level, in particular (but not limited to) less religious or even irreligious Iranians, as well as non-Islamic nationalists. Which is why Dana has been receiving dozens of more or less serious death threats every day ever since he engaged in this effort. He has literally driven the exiled opposition apparatus mad.

This is while he himself used to be a staunch opponent of the IR, and even a lower tier youth leader during the so-called Green movement of 2009. However unlike the mostly liberal Green movement folk, Dana pertains to the hardcore monarchist and nationalist camp. Initially he even used to be islamophobic, but has abandoned that position since (nonetheless he considers himself Zoroastrian, despite being born to Muslim parents). He spent some three years at Evin prison following the 2009 riots, after which he left Iran for Europe, where he initially continued his opposition activities against the IR, mingling with Reza Pahlavi's followers.

But two things made him completely reverse his allegiance: one, his first hand discovery that the simplistic binary representation of the west as some sort of a "paradise" versus Iran as some sort of a "hell" to live in, which is propagated by the anti-IR opposition and their western patrons, is far removed from reality; and two, his prolonged contacts with the exiled opposition made him realize that these people are essentially footmen of hostile foreign powers bent not only on overthrowing the IR, but also on literally balkanizing and destroying Iran.

Dana has his own interpretations about the Islamic Republic's power projection in the region and about Shia Islam, which he contemplates from a nationalistic lense. The core support base of the IR, i.e. its religious supporters, firmly disagree with this view. Nonetheless, Dana has managed to shield a non-negligible portion of the population from the nefarious influence of opposition and hostile powers propaganda, thereby bringing together Iranians from different ideological backgrounds, which is directly beneficial to the stability of both the political system of the Islamic Republic and of Iran itself.
 
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These whores think worshipping the US instead of god will bring rain!
it will not bring rain (yet, just wait a few more decades and they will find a way), but it will certainly bring money.

IMO, in iran (same as all other places in the world) everything revolves around money. now the only difference between ppl is which team are we in?

P.s. you can clearly see where this line of thought leads. so I will not elaborate more...
 
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it will not bring rain (yet, just wait a few more decades and they will find a way), but it will certainly bring money.

IMO, in iran (same as all other places in the world) everything revolves around money. now the only difference between ppl is which team are we in?

P.s. you can clearly see where this line of thought leads. so I will not elaborate more...
Based on the last experience, it brought no money too, just undermined our future and development, the real property.

And that's the point, mirage instead of real water.
 
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Any chance you can give us a quick synopsis on that segment? .
What do you think that he was meaning by "You went and carried through something else [than what you negotiated]"?.

To provide a short answer devoid of peripheral commentary: in essence, when Abdi suggests that Iran acted in a contrarian way after agreeing to the JCPOA, he means nothing else but missile development and testing by the IRGC, and Iran's presence in the Syrian war as well as Iranian support for Resistance movements elsewhere in the region, namely Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine.

In other words, the exact same thing that the Trump, Obama and Biden regimes have been defining as their short- to mid-term goals concerning Iran: rolling back Iranian missile capabilities and ending Iran's support for her regional allies. Goals which Washington seeks to formalize in what came to be referred to as hypothetical JCPOAs II and III, which Rohani enthusiastically called for in his televised 2016 Noruz speech.

So not only is the Iran-agenda of Republicans and Democrats identical as far as the final objective goes - where Trump and Obama / Biden differ, is merely on the strategy each camp considers more appropriate in reaching those objectives ("maximum pressure" and provocations / psy-ops for Trump and his Likudnik masters; and for Obama / Biden, luring Iran into disarming herself through the mirage of negotiated sanctions removal and reintegration into the so-called international community, along with strengthening the hand of western-apologetic liberals inside Iran)...

But worse, liberal factions in Iran (reformists and moderates) also align on and aquiesce to that same agenda.

And then some friends here react in an overly sensitive manner when you declare that the position held by reformists and moderates is in effect knowingly or unknowingly akin to a form of political treason, since disarming and giving up the deterrence which stems from regional presence, in accordance with the plans of hostile foreign powers, which would make Iran vulnerable to aggression and even invite such aggression, is nothing short of treasonous and/or suicidal.

Most of these friends are even defence enthusiasts and support a powerful Iran... but no matter the amount of evidence you submit to them, they seem not to be willing to acknowledge that the liberals they support are simply not interested in a powerful defence sector capable of deterring an aggression by the US (either direct or through proxies as in Syria), and that liberals are thus bearers of a dangerous posture.
 
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it will not bring rain (yet, just wait a few more decades and they will find a way), but it will certainly bring money.

In addition or rather as a complement to what mohsen wrote about Iran's past experience with hollow American promises of sanctions removal, there's also the security aspect to ponder: the US regime is not going to lift sanctions in a significant way until it has reached its goal of neutralizing Iran's instruments of deterrence, which consist of three elements: nuclear, missiles and regional presence.

So at each stage of the process, the US is going to violate the terms of any agreement it reached and continue sanctioning Iran until Iran agrees to the next stage. While liberals in Iran will be blaming the IRGC and the Supreme Leader for remaining US sanctions and will thus be pressing for further concessions.

And where this would ultimately lead, we saw in Iraq and in Libya. After Saddam effectively got rid of his WMD, the Americans didn't let loose. They used their agents among UN inspectors to issue regular bogus reports aimed at preventing a closure of the Iraqi file. They did this for so long as necessary to weaken Iraq to a sufficient degree, and then administered the coup the grâce with their illegal invasion of that country in 2003. As for Libya, they persuaded Gaddafi to completely dismantle Libya's nuclear program and abandon all chemical weapons in 2003, only to bomb and destroy that country less than eight years later. Both countries are still largely left in ruins after the western interventions.
 
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Based on the last experience, it brought no money too, just undermined our future and development, the real property.

And that's the point, mirage instead of real water.
i mean different kind of money. not for the nation, but for the individuals on top. they are all stakeholders in this $#itty situation.

if we really want money for the nation from the western block, we should just let go of the revolution ideals and jump to the west side, even then, getting money from the west is not that easy. just look at Ukraine. they still have big problems with corruption.

as long as we hold on to these revolutionary ideals, no american president will accept us, and they will keep pushing us.

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In addition or rather as a complement to what mohsen wrote about Iran's past experience with hollow American promises of sanctions removal, there's also the security aspect to ponder: the US regime is not going to lift sanctions in a significant way until it has reached its goal of neutralizing Iran's instruments of deterrence, which consist of three elements: nuclear, missiles and regional presence.

So at each stage of the process, the US is going to violate the terms of any agreement it reached and continue sanctioning Iran until Iran agrees to the next stage. While liberals in Iran will be blaming the IRGC and the Supreme Leader for remaining US sanctions and will thus be pressing for further concessions.

And where this would ultimately lead, we saw in Iraq and in Libya. After Saddam effectively got rid of his WMD, the Americans didn't let loose. They used their agents among UN inspectors to issue regular bogus reports aimed at preventing a closure of the Iraqi file. They did this for so long as necessary to weaken Iraq to a sufficient degree, and then administered the coup the grâce with their illegal invasion of that country in 2003. As for Libya, they persuaded Gaddafi to completely dismantle Libya's nuclear program and abandon all chemical weapons in 2003, only to bomb and destroy that country less than eight years later. Both countries are still largely left in ruins after the western interventions.
Exactly.
 
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To provide a short answer devoid of peripheral commentary: in essence, when Abdi suggests that Iran acted in a contrarian way after agreeing to the JCPOA, he means nothing else but missile development and testing by the IRGC, and Iran's presence in the Syrian war as well as Iranian support for Resistance movements elsewhere in the region, namely Lebanon, Yemen and Palestine.

In other words, the exact same thing that the Trump, Obama and Biden regimes have been defining as their short- to mid-term goals concerning Iran: rolling back Iranian missile capabilities and ending Iran's support for her regional allies. Goals which Washington seeks to formalize in what came to be referred to as hypothetical JCPOAs II and III, which Rohani enthusiastically called for in his televised 2016 Noruz speech.

So not only is the Iran-agenda of Republicans and Democrats identical as far as the final objective goes - where Trump and Obama / Biden differ, is merely on the strategy each camp considers more appropriate in reaching those objectives ("maximum pressure" and provocations / psy-ops for Trump and his Likudnik masters; and for Obama / Biden, luring Iran into disarming herself through the mirage of negotiated sanctions removal and reintegration into the so-called international community, along with strengthening the hand of western-apologetic liberals inside Iran)...

But worse, liberal factions in Iran (reformists and moderates) also align on and aquiesce to that same agenda.

And then some friends here react in an overly sensitive manner when you declare that the position held by reformists and moderates is in effect knowingly or unknowingly akin to a form of political treason, since disarming and giving up the deterrence which stems from regional presence, in accordance with the plans of hostile foreign powers, which would make Iran vulnerable to aggression and even invite such aggression, is nothing short of treasonous and/or suicidal.

Most of these friends are even defence enthusiasts and support a powerful Iran... but no matter the amount of evidence you submit to them, they seem not to be willing to acknowledge that the liberals they support are simply not interested in a powerful defence sector capable of deterring an aggression by the US (either direct or through proxies as in Syria), and that liberals are thus bearers of a dangerous posture.
I`ve always considered rouhani to be basically irans version of neville chamberlain,yet unlike chamberlain rouhani even after 2 terms,not to mention the near complete failure of his grand plan,the jcpoa,still has yet to have his equivalent of a post munich moment of clarity.Why do you think this is?,is it because he feels that having bet literally everything on this strategy,that he basically has no other option now except to keep on doubling down like some gambling addict,in the hope of [eventually] scoring the big win?.
The great irony here is that despite his best efforts,or perhaps because of them,iran today in real terms looks to be even further away from the western sphere economically and politically than it was at the start of his tenure,tho admittedly a great deal of this is clearly the wests own fault.
 
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i mean different kind of money. not for the nation, but for the individuals on top. they are all stakeholders in this $#itty situation.

if we really want money for the nation from the western block, we should just let go of the revolution ideals and jump to the west side, even then, getting money from the west is not that easy. just look at Ukraine. they still have big problems with corruption.

as long as we hold on to these revolutionary ideals, no american president will accept us, and they will keep pushing us.
Due to geopolitics and Americans' nature, they will always look at us as a meat, and you are suggesting the meat to embrace the cat! New middle east map was a picture of their dinner, and among it's ingredients is that we let go of stuff, JCPOA 1,JCPOA 2, etc. so which level you think will satisfy the Americans?

There has been people who let it go, like Mosaddeq in Iran, Qaddafi in Libya and Asad in Syria, and we all know what happened to them. Rouhani just joined them, with the difference that a wise leader and powerful system neutralized the critical mistakes (treasons).
 
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Due to geopolitics and Americans' nature, they will always look at us as a meat, and you are suggesting the meat to embrace the cat! New middle east map was a picture of their dinner, and among it's ingredients is that we let go of stuff, JCPOA 1,JCPOA 2, etc. so which level you think will satisfy the Americans?

There has been people who let it go, like Mosaddeq in Iran, Qaddafi in Libya and Asad in Syria, and we all know what happened to them. Rouhani just joined them, with the difference that a wise leader and powerful system neutralized the critical mistakes (treasons).
ok. chill. I am not suggesting we give up. i am saying, the easiest way to get accepted by them is giving up. and i just brought the example of ukraine as a failure of giving up. now we can choose to force them to accept us. it will be the painful rout. but if we succeed, the payoff will be huge.


also, i am 100% positive we will not succeed in forcing them to accept us as independent nation and just leaving us alone. they are too big to move by our little hands but at the same time our punches are too painful to ignore.
think of the relation as a bee who is about to sting you... you won't die. but it will hurt like hell.

but if we play our cards right, there might be a middle ground. where we are not accepted, but we are not that big of a threat to have trumps and such attack us nonstop. in this state, i think we can find our win.
how such a middle ground can be achieved? I don't know. i am not a strategist. but i think a few big pushes against arabs and zionist and then presenting them a deal could do wonders. but we need much much bigger pushes than what we saw recently in gaza.
 
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ok. chill. I am not suggesting we give up. i am saying, the easiest way to get accepted by them is giving up. and i just brought the example of ukraine as a failure of giving up. now we can choose to force them to accept us. it will be the painful rout. but if we succeed, the payoff will be huge.


also, i am 100% positive we will not succeed in forcing them to accept us as independent nation and just leaving us alone. they are too big to move by our little hands but at the same time our punches are too painful to ignore.
think of the relation as a bee who is about to sting you... you won't die. but it will hurt like hell.

but if we play our cards right, there might be a middle ground. where we are not accepted, but we are not that big of a threat to have trumps and such attack us nonstop. in this state, i think we can find our win.
how such a middle ground can be achieved? I don't know. i am not a strategist. but i think a few big pushes against arabs and zionist and then presenting them a deal could do wonders. but we need much much bigger pushes than what we saw recently in gaza.
Effectively that sounds like a detente of sorts.Indeed this was one of the postulated possibilities of a future iranian-us/western relationship.The question of course is what would be required in terms of iranian leverage,this will likely be as much military,probably even more so military than political in fact,to bring this about,because like it or not even detente is a form of acceptence,even if it is merely the acceptence that the costs of attempting to fight a regional war with iran would be simply to great from both a military/economic and political perspective.

It would be interesting to hear the ideas of other posters on what might be required to bring about this detente.
 
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ok. chill. I am not suggesting we give up. i am saying, the easiest way to get accepted by them is giving up. and i just brought the example of ukraine as a failure of giving up. now we can choose to force them to accept us. it will be the painful rout. but if we succeed, the payoff will be huge.


also, i am 100% positive we will not succeed in forcing them to accept us as independent nation and just leaving us alone. they are too big to move by our little hands but at the same time our punches are too painful to ignore.
think of the relation as a bee who is about to sting you... you won't die. but it will hurt like hell.

but if we play our cards right, there might be a middle ground. where we are not accepted, but we are not that big of a threat to have trumps and such attack us nonstop. in this state, i think we can find our win.
how such a middle ground can be achieved? I don't know. i am not a strategist. but i think a few big pushes against arabs and zionist and then presenting them a deal could do wonders. but we need much much bigger pushes than what we saw recently in gaza.
Effectively that sounds like a detente of sorts.Indeed this was one of the postulated possibilities of a future iranian-us/western relationship.The question of course is what would be required in terms of iranian leverage,this will likely be as much military,probably even more so military than political in fact,to bring this about,because like it or not even detente is a form of acceptence,even if it is merely the acceptence that the costs of attempting to fight a regional war with iran would be simply to great from both a military/economic and political perspective.

It would be interesting to hear the ideas of other posters on what might be required to bring about this detente.

Well, detente with the US is highly risky business in its own right. The idea underlying detente would be for Iran and the US to recognize each other's power and influence, to try and delimit respective spheres of influence, while at the same time remaining strategic adversaries.

In fact, we have a historic precedent from the Cold War period: Nikita Khrushchev's policy of deescalation. Under Krushchev, the USSR and the US regime found some sort of a mutual mode of peaceful coexistence, notwithstanding the ongoing adversarial rivalry between the two superpowers of the time.

This approach is actually recommended by liberals in Iran - more by the moderate faction than by the reformists, who would seek to go even further in terms of rapprochement with Washington.

However, a "peaceful coexistence" scenario would prove dangerous to Iran's future in the long term. Much like during the Cold War, the US conceived of "peaceful coexistence" as conceived a trap into which it would lead the USSR.

Some two and a half to three decades after Krushchov had initiated this policy, Gorbachev would take the next step and move the USSR from "peaceful coexistence" to a state in which Moscow would completely abandon the idea of defeating the US at some point, and would acquiesce to full fledged concessions on all fronts i.e. would bow to America's every demand... which ultimately, in a matter of just a few years, resulted in the outright downfall and dissolution of the USSR.

The US did not defeat the USSR on the ideological battlefield - they defeated them in the field of strategic negotiations on nuclear balance, coexistence etc.

In effect, revolutionary currents and the Supreme Leader in Iran are opposed to any negotiations leading to a "peaceful coexistence" type of deal, because they recognize the dangers associated with it, and instead advocate continued Resistance against US imperialism.

This is basically what Dr. Abbasi explains in the following address:

 
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Some two and a half to three decades after Krushchov had initiated this policy, Gorbachev would take the next step and move the USSR from "peaceful coexistence" to a state in which Moscow would completely abandon the idea of defeating the US at some point, and would acquiesce to full fledged concessions on all fronts i.e. would bow to America's every demand... which ultimately, in a matter of just a few years, resulted in the outright downfall and dissolution of the USSR.

The US did not defeat the USSR on the ideological battlefield - they defeated them in the field of strategic negotiations on nuclear balance, coexistence etc.

IMO, we should also take Brezhnev and his awful policies into consideration. Think the troubles Iran is facing after Ahmadinejad... he @#$%ed up real bad...
I personally think USSR lost the war due to its own policies (communism & corruption) and not due to US being good at what it did.

In effect, revolutionary currents and the Supreme Leader in Iran are opposed to any negotiations leading to a "peaceful coexistence" type of deal, because they recognize the dangers associated with it, and instead advocate continued Resistance against US imperialism.

I hope you are wrong. IMO There is no winning against the US at our current situation. If Raisi is anything but the perfect person some people say he is, there will be no Iran in 20 years.


Finally, honestly, i have not seen the youtube video completely. But there are some major problems with his arguments. I am not someone to point these out. I do not have the required knowledge.
as an example where he said "نرمش قهرمانانه" (?) was not done properly and Rouhani crossed the "اصول" (principles?). Well he is lucky no one asked him: Is the military nuclear program a principle of the System? Did we oust the shah to make Nuclear weapons?! since that is what they gave away in the deal.
After that, he says "نرمش قهرمانانه" supposed to be in "فروع" (minutiae?).

He also talks about Strategic and ideological fight... He conveniently ignores have a century of mismanagement and corruption that lead to Gorbachev becoming leader of USSR... :suicide:

(See my point? I am a nobody and I found many problems with his arguments in 20 minutes...)
 
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