Indonesia says it has seized Iranian and Panamanian tankers

[nufix]

Military hardware are not judged on such juvenile notions of superficial similarities. If you want to be taken seriously, at least try coming across as if you have even some understanding of these topics.



Right, so the hundreds of Americans suffering from Traumatic Brain Injuries after Iran missile attack, or the Saudis Abqaiq going up in flames were not proofs. Topsy turvy logic.



This is a non sequitur, Iran did not strike Iraq because of Israel, it attacked a US air base in response to an attack.



You're shifting the discussion, I am still waiting for you to substantiate your claims. See previous comment and reply to the questions relayed to you.

Lets revisit what I said. I said IRGC is an army of fakes

Fake 1: What are thooseee? Lol

Fake 2: You sure this is not T90?

Some extra:

Looks like it came straight outta kids festival

Later I said Iran lacked modern System:

1. Mainstay of Iranian fighters came from Shah's garage sale
2. Mainstay of Iranian navy "destroyers" and "frigates" are corvette either from the 70's or the design stuck in the 70's

Need me to say more?

 

[Philosopher]

Ok lets revisit my claim. I said IRGC is an army of fakes.


Lets revisit what I said. I said IRGC is an army of fakes and obsolete stuff.

Fake 1: What are thooseee? Lol
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Where is your substantiation that this is a fake product? You are not providing anything to back your claims. You are coming across as merely a troll at this point. Moreover, this tank is not the product of the IRGC but the Artesh. Those are distinct entities. You see, this is why basic research is needed.

Fake 2: You sure this is not T90?
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As above, you're posting random photos and just linking the label fake to them.

Karrar is based on the T-72 platform which Iran has been producing for decades, see below for the video:

Some extra:
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Qaher is an ongoing project.

How it looks is irrelevant, for example here the American have blue project which would go on to become the F-117:

Like I said, we do not judge hardware on these juvenile notions of aesthetics.

Mainstay of Iranian fighters came from Shah's garage sale

Airforce is lacking, this is not something I had denied. However when a country is standing on its own feet and not relying on imports like your type, it is not easy to produce everything. Iran produces jet engines for example, how many nations can do that?

Mainstay of Iranian navy "destroyers" and "frigates" are corvette either from the 70's or the design stuck in the 70's

These frigates use modernised radars, surface to air missiles etc. Once again, you're judging systems from the surface which is childish.

Need me to say more?

You are using cherry picked examples. It is widely known that in certain conventional sectors such as airforce due to lack of investments, they are shortcomings. However likes I said, in other fields such as Missiles, UAVs, air defence etc Iran is pioneering.

 

[Titanium100]

Lmao. The empty IRCG chest beating was kinda cute.. Come little kitty kitty come

 

[nufix]

Where is your substantiation that this is a fake product? You are not providing anything to back your claims. You are coming across as merely a troll at this point. Moreover, this tank is not the product of the IRGC but the Artesh. Those are distinct entities. You see, this is why basic research is needed.




As above, you're posting random photos and just linking the label fake to them.

Karrar is based on the T-72 platform which Iran has been producing for decades, see below for the video:

Qaher is an ongoing project.

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How it looks is irrelevant, for example here the American have blue project which would go on to become the F-117:

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Like I said, we do not judge hardware on these juvenile notions of aesthetics.




Airforce is lacking, this is not something I had denied. However when a country is standing on its own feet and not relying on exports like your type, it is not easy to produce everything. Iran produces jet engines for example, how many nations can do that?



These frigates use modernised radars, surface to air missiles etc. Once again, you're judging systems from the surface which is childish.



You are using cherry picked examples. It is widely known that in certain conventional sectors such as airforce due to lack of investments, they are shortcomings. However likes I said, in other fields such as Missiles, UAVs, air defence etc Iran is pioneering.

This is my definition of fake: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fake

Anyway, what is Iran pioneering in the field of Missiles, UAVs, and air defence?? What is exactly revolutionary from Iran in those fields that no other countries have produced? Your UAV is a reverse engineered from captured US drone, your air defence systems are either Chinese or Russian. Iran produced jet engine? This is not one of those many claims that were later debunked right?

not relying on exports like your type

Indonesia's economy is domestic driven with around 57% of its GDP owed to household consumption. Iranian economy on the other hand is driven by household consumption at a rate of 49% and surprise, surprise, its export accounts for 25% of its GDP, larger than Indonesia's 20%. What are you talking about?

 

[KurtisBrian]

Lets revisit what I said. I said IRGC is an army of fakes and obsolete stuff.

Later I said Iran lacked modern System:

1. Mainstay of Iranian fighters came from Shah's garage sale
2. Mainstay of Iranian navy "destroyers" and "frigates" are corvette either from the 70's or the design stuck in the 70's

Need me to say more?

I think you are wrong about Iran's weapons.
Why would Iran waste money on lots of big expensive warships that can easily be sunk against the US? Iran's navy must be small and numerous to have a chance against America. Need some larger ships for further abroad work knowing if a war comes they will be lost.
Iran has upgraded tanks on old hulls just like America, Britain, Israel and Turkey have done. Can use commercial goods to great effect in upgrading.
Iranians have already proven they are capable, adaptable and intelligent. Much more to Iran and Iranians then meets the eye. Iranians problem is they won't play ball with people they don't like.

 

[Philosopher]

This is my definition of fake: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fake

And minus just posting some pictures and pointing some superficial similarities, how have you satisfied that definition? Exactly, nothing. You're basically just trolling.

Anyway, what is Iran pioneering in the field of Missiles, UAVs, and air defence??

Given you obviously did not bother to listen to it, here it is again.Listen to this Israeli expert explain that to you:

Your UAV is a reverse engineered from captured US drone

Only one of Iran's UAV families is based on the RQ-170. Moreover, you're talking as if reverse engineering is easy in general, especially something hi tech like the RQ-170. That level of technology is something your kind can dream about.

This is what the American's i.e Iran's adversary say about Iran's UAV capability:

Iran is becoming a drone superpower

Iran is becoming a drone superpower

Not all of Iran’s claims regarding its drones are accurate, but Tehran’s bragging is no reason to scoff at its abilities.

thehill.com

Iran has so many UAVs that it would take me an hour just to post them, and we have see a taste of these UAVs in effect:

Abqaiq–Khurais attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

your air defence systems are either Chinese or Russian.

Those were in the past. Today, Iran's most advanced air defence, called Bavar-373 is a long range indigenous air defence. Read below article on this system:

Iranian Bavar-373 long range air defence system- A quantum leap in Iran's air defence capability​

Iranian Bavar-373 long range air defence system- A quantum leap in Iran's air defence capability

Author: Philosopher Category: Air defence In 2007, an Iran with a very limited air defence network signed a contract with the Russians for the S-300 air defence system to help protect its air space from a potential airstrike. That deal ended up being embroiled in the tense political...

defence.pk

Iran produced jet engine? This is not one of those many claims that were later debunked right?

Simple research answers these questions. Here is a recent example, a small turbofan for UAVs using single crystal technology.

See below thread for more information:

"Jahesh-700", Iran's first turbofan engine

defence.pk

Indonesia's economy is domestic driven with around 57% of its GDP owed to household consumption. Iranian economy on the other hand is driven by household consumption at a rate of 49% and surprise, surprise, its export accounts for 25% of its GDP, larger than Indonesia's 20%. What are you talking about?

That was a typo, it was edited afterwards. I have no idea why you started to bring economy into this.

 

[Titanium100]

I think you are wrong about Iran's weapons.
Why would Iran waste money on lots of big expensive warships that can easily be sunk against the US? Iran's navy must be small and numerous to have a chance against America. Need some larger ships for further abroad work knowing if a war comes they will be lost.
Iran has upgraded tanks on old hulls just like America, Britain, Israel and Turkey have done. Can use commercial goods to great effect in upgrading.
Iranians have already proven they are capable, adaptable and intelligent. Much more to Iran and Iranians then meets the eye. Iranians problem is they won't play ball with people they don't like.

You are wrong my friend. What they are building is what others have build 10-20 years ago. They are behind the growth process of other countries in Asia and the world in general. They will come with zillions of propaganda articles we have Drones yada yada but the truth is they are not tested or proven. They were actully in battle with these drones they are not effective.

As for there productions is sub-par they are still behind countries in Asia but they would claim otherwise. They present things others have build already and hype it but it's not going anywhere with people who have knowledge of the matter

 

[Philosopher]

You are wrong my friend. What they are building is what others have build 10-20 years ago.

Who are others? And what have they built?

They will come with zillions of propaganda articles we have Drones yada yada but the truth is they are not tested or proven. They were actully in battle with these drones they are not effective.

My friend, you keep forgetting what happened to your Abqiaq?

As for there productions is sub-par they are still behind countries in Asia but they would claim otherwise. They present things others have build already and hype it but it's not going anywhere with people who have knowledge of the matter

Minus the very advanced nations, Iran is right there amongst the top in various sectors such as UAVs, missiles, air defence. Do you deny this?

 

[KurtisBrian]

You are wrong my friend. What they are building is what others have build 10-20 years ago. They are behind the growth process of other countries in Asia and the world in general

Good sir, the F-22 was built over 20 years ago. Advancement has slowed to a snails pace in many fields. If Iran is only 20 years behind then they can do almost anything.

 

[Titanium100]

Who are others? And what have they built?



My false flagging friend, you keep forgetting what happened to your Abqiaq?



Minus the very advanced nations, Iran is right there amongst the top in various sectors such as UAVs, missiles, air defence. Do you deny this?

Lets agree to disagree my friend. I will give you the deserved dues when I see revolutionary stuff but aside from that. I beg to differ

 

[Philosopher]

Lets agree to disagree my friend. I will give you the deserves dues when I see revolutionary stuff but aside from that. I beg to differ

Not sure what you exactly mean by revolutionary. Do I think Iran has produced hardware beyond what others have? Of course not. However I am not sure why you refuse to see the impressive advancement Iran has made in the sectors I mentioned earlier. You can disagree with Iran geopolitically, but engineering wise lets be truthful. Even Israelis are impressed, see the Uzi Rubin video above.

 

[nahtanbob]

Ask the Americans how fake the IRGC systems are:

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What is this tank you're thinking of?



Iran's drone are without question in terms of their effectiveness, you can ask the Saudis:

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Those are just a matter of translation and semantics, they bare little value. Destroyer, cruiser etc are all referred to by the same term in Iran.

There is not a thing Iran can do to Indonesia

 

[Philosopher]

There is not a thing Iran can do to Indonesia

This incident will be resolved soon. People blowing it out of proportion.

 

[Indos]

Indonesia's economy is domestic driven with around 57% of its GDP owed to household consumption. Iranian economy on the other hand is driven by household consumption at a rate of 49% and surprise, surprise, its export accounts for 25% of its GDP, larger than Indonesia's 20%. What are you talking about?

Not export that is equal to 20 % of Indonesia GDP but overall export and import trade volume.

 

[KurtisBrian]

There is not a thing Iran can do to Indonesia

Iran is making an awful lot of enemies. Pretty much everyone.