Indo-Pak ties: Who will end up on the losing side?

[Tom M]

Ask this question to your modi

We as Pakiatani do not want to go into war and discuss on table but it's your modi who always run away and trying to create war hysteria
Btw we are not quitting away from Kashmir even on the table

The issue was well before Modi ever came to power, while you attribute every ill on Modi, I would say there was a genuine move from Mr. Vajpyee back in late 1990's and he even boarded a bus as a goodwill gesture and traveled to Lahore. Then who back stabbed that genuine peace process ??? It was your own militry establishment why do you always forget that ??? Nothing has done so much damage to Kashmir peace process than your army's futile Kargil misadventure, Not my words but still there are a lot of people who believe so in Pakistan:-(

http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives1999/99august05.html

 

[Soumitra]

maybe but pakistan will never have a soul or land to hold on to.. keep that in mind, India can take a hit and survive but not pakistan

Actually Pakistanis dont care if no Pakistani survives as long as there are Muslims who survive

 

[RedEce]

The real question is, who will start the war?

 

[Soumitra]

The real question is, who will start the war?

India is a status quo power. It wont start a war over Kashmir.

But if you do terrorist attacks in India then it is a different thing.

However even in that case we wont start a nuclear war

 

[RedEce]

India is a status quo power. It wont start a war over Kashmir.

But if you do terrorist attacks in India then it is a different thing.

However even in that case we wont start a nuclear war

But India has already started the proxy war through its 'India-Iran-Afghanistan' nexus, to destabilise Pakistan and CPEC.
As for terrorists attack, the name kulbhushan jadhav should be enough.

 

[Aasimkhan]

If that is what they taught you geography class then bravo! on topic, We have other options its not limited to Iran itself.

My geography is uptodate. the other option with you is to dig a tunnel through the himalayas under Pakistan and China and reach Central Asia, simple isnt it ?

India is a status quo power. It wont start a war over Kashmir.

But if you do terrorist attacks in India then it is a different thing.

However even in that case we wont start a nuclear war

You wont start a nuclear war? As per new reports you people have already abandoned your no-first-use doctrine and have made new plans to attack Pakistan with nuclear weapons.
And if you call freedom movement of innocent Kashmiris as terrorism then surely you are on wrong side of history

both will end up on the winning side, if ties cemented through peaceful approach ....


its not hell for us, we do spend few billions to maintain peace in J&K but you too spend few millions to disrupt the peace...with growing size of our economy, we should be able to sustain it for many more decades to come, it is not impacting our growth or image internationally ...But Pak's image and economy is certainly getting impacted bcoz of its activities and agenda! Peace...

So in order to improve your IMAGE OUTSIDE you have stopped internet in Kashmir? u have banned social media ? you have banned Pakistani channels ? You think merely growth and size and rate of development will save you from disintegration? India is an apartheid state, India does not know ABC of human rights and india uses rape as an instrument to cause fear in occupied territories. Dont let the size only fool you, you will implode in no time

Notwithstanding whatever you say, fact remains that India can and will continue to absorb the costs without batting an eyelid. So your assessment of status quo is mistaken, as the onus is on Pakistan to wrestle Kashmir, which you can't by conventional means by any stretch of imagination.

Do not assume that is my preference. I just stated it as it stands. I am a pacifist who would rather that the issue not exist and both these dirt poor countries can focus on improving the lives of their citizens. But that is not the consensus on both sides and we have to go by popular opinion.

Both these dirt poor countries can improve if India starts acting on UN resolutions.

TALK IS CHEAP

Stop the whinning

Back stabbing terror support

And fight if you feel you have been wronged or robbed of Kashmir.

THE PROBLEM IS simple ......... no body can take territory from a nuclear armed state.

1999 AND testing of nukes finished the KASHMIR issue for ever.

The twin towers in 2001 and subsequent USA shift towards india ENDED any hope of UN or USA forced negotiation whivch was remote any way

TODAY not a single nation stands by your side OVER KASHMIR . yes they make nice speechs but no one not even china has really tried to help you .

so whats left other than PDF wish list and empty threats

Ha ha time is not on the side of India, USA is a weaning power, in next 20 years USA will be reduced to a reginal power only, China-Russia will write the future of the world. India will be a loser by betting on USA

The rest of your post is a matter of personal opinion, to which you are definitely entitled. So I won't address that. However, I wonder how you reached the conclusion that status quo is in Pakistan's favour?

There is a singular claim of Kashmir, to which Pakistan has staked its relations with India. Kashmir is with us. You want it. That is the status quo. And that suits us fine. I think you are confusing yourself by equating the cost of holding on to Kashmir as the status quo. That is a cost we willingly absorb and will continue to do.

The ball has always been in Pakistan's court on this one, and will continue to remain so.

Pakistan has the moral upper ground. India can never ever legitimize its illegal occupation of Kashmir. Yes for the time being you can hold it but when this ant will kill the whole elephant is anybody's guess. Kashmir is Acheles heel of India. It will kill India one day. Wait for the time. And with leaders like Modi that time is coming soon.

 

[ito]

It doesn't matter now who is losing and who is winning. The state of affair between India and Pakistan are going to stay for foreseeable future. Partition was done badly and executed even more badly and the effects are going to stay for very long time.

 

[Aasimkhan]

It doesn't matter now who is losing and who is winning. The state of affair between India and Pakistan are going to stay for foreseeable future. Partition was done badly and executed even more badly and the effects are going to stay for very long time.

Thanks God Mr Jinnah got us Pakistan otherwise we would be denied BEEF KABABs, BEEF HUNTER, BEEF STEAKS etc etc and forced to drink COW PISS like poor Muslims of India.

 

[ito]

Thanks God Mr Jinnah got us Pakistan otherwise we would be denied BEEF KABABs, BEEF HUNTER, BEEF STEAKS etc etc and forced to drink COW PISS like poor Muslims of India.

Many in India say the same...they are happy that Muslim population now is divided into three parts. Now with only 1/3rd of Muslims staying back in India, India can become a hindu nation.

 

[el nino]

Not in your lifetime or mine and not in the next five hundred years

Russia is nobody

And China can't relove Taiwan what chance India and Kashmir

Stop trying to ride on bsck of foreign powers they don't give S dam about Kashmir and your desires

 

[Sully3]

LoL last time the same ISPR claimed to have killed 50 Afghan Soldiers with no proof... now the afghan commander says they lost 2 soldiers... there goes the lies of ISPR

lol A grade idiot !!!
Did you not see the afghan army truck they were loading dead bodies out of easily 20/30 dead soldiers in the pack of the pick up truck. The video is on twitter for everyone to see

And look at you cheer leading the Afghans. Just last week when taliban killed 200 of their soldiers at Mizar e sharif the Afghan government came out and rounded up the dead soldiers to around 100. Afghans dont give a shit about their armed personal so they lie about their deaths.

very doubtful.. nuke war might drag other countries too... if it drags Israel there'll no Muslim countries left with

Aww cute now you have become a cheer leader for Israel. Indians can't win a war against us so they have to drag Israel into it.

Pull your skirt back up and quit the cheer leading @sarjenprabhu

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

nothing to gain for either side

 

[el nino]

This is claim by Pakistan on the back of nothing .

Kashmir came over in partition

The partition has happened good or bad

Who got what

It can't change. Now

This is not going to end by India giving up territory
Nobody gives up territory just because you threaten stability especially with India being eight times more powerful.economically and also far stronger
military power.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Afghanistan and Iran

 

[Aasimkhan]

This is claim by Pakistan on the back of nothing .

Kashmir came over in partition

The partition has happened good or bad

Who got what

It can't change. Now

This is not going to end by India giving up territory
Nobody gives up territory just because you threaten stability especially with India being eight times more powerful.economically and also far stronger
military power.

This 8 times more powerful will be down on knees with 8 missiles. Trust me in days of nuclear power you cannot make a stupid claim u r 8 times more powerful. You are equal to us if it ever came to power. Nuclear weapons are FORCE MULTIPLIERS, do you know what is a force multiplier?