India's Uncompromising Stand Against China in the Himalayas Is Backed Up With Hard Power

[surya kiran]

This is the spirit I am looking for from india, hold on modiji, never back up. soon we will witness the largest slaughter in this century together.

Err....that already happened. Was done by Mao on the Chinese. Forgot your own history or is it not taught?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

You make for an excellant cheerleader. Do you get paid for this, like your Chinese counterparts here ?

he spoke the bitter truth.

 

[gslv mk3]

he spoke the bitter truth.

Sure, another cheerleader.

 

[CriticalThought]

he spoke the bitter truth.

Let him bark like the dog he is. The bitter reality will be a rude awakening for them.

 

[gslv mk3]

Let him bark like the dog he is. The bitter reality will be a rude awakening for them.

It seems you folks haven't yet realized that your new sugar daddy can't do anything about the situation other than warning us...

It's been 2 months.

 

[CriticalThought]

How did you become think tank, you need to be removed. Something as simple as China not having conscription is not really a controversial topic. The word conscript is used loosely there. You know how difficult it is to get to the navy these days. The navy is looking for high school kids that would be willing to go into the national military academy programs, or university grads, over 60% of all new recruits are now university grads.

2 years is just the length of service. That is all.

This is not a secret, in fact it is freaking broadcasted every 6 seconds. annoying as balls.

As to political commissars. They still exist. Though they have very clearly defined roles now and are all from a military background rather than political.

One child policy...Wimpy recruits. I don't know where to begin, what do you want me to say here. Chinese are wimps? Chinese a unfit for the military? Chinese are cowards?

Is that your argument? To say Chinese are shit and thus you are superior? Reminds me of Qing dynasty before opium war. Guess what, our recruits are far better educated than yours, and in an information age that is whats important.


Do you have anything good to add? I try not to discuss Indian military matters because i don't know as much as i should on the matter to make an educated discussion. Yet you obviously feel comfortable talking about PLA, qhich is fair game, but then you come in with this.

oh and that james town article came from 2011, back when China didn't consolidate military regions into 5 zones, create joint commands, as well as establish new exercise methods where the blue team won 22-1 against visiting red teams with joint air, ground, sea tactic oh also reduced troop level by 300,000.

Even Taiwan military experts (retired general ) emphasized the change in organization in the Chinese army.


1) if india is so weak that it would actually consider joining an alliance as a junior partner then what does it matter what you do (don't kid yourself, anyone is a junior cpmpared to the us.) Which is why no matter what Modi or any Indian politician won't join the Western order.

2)We both increase military spending either way. Though unlike you, with the completion of Y-20, China will have a true strategic lift capability in 5 years, mean while without a program of your own, you cannot induct a hundred heavy or even medium lifts into your army. So we can create rapid response divisions, while there is a very limited amount of what you can, no matter how many men are stationed there.

You can start a program to built a heavy or medium lift, but that is a long process, so we are safe for at least 15 years and most likely 20 before you can have enough. This is of course assuming you will start said program.

Just look at France's operation in Mali, without heavy lifts from America, they can't even conduct a minor operation in a land not too distant from theirs.

3) As to the Indian market, we do well because we are better, if we can be written off like that then we would have a long time ago, as we are no friends of America and Euro Zone. Don't belittle others, it demeans your own accomplishments as well. Keep in mind, China and Japan trade far more than China and India, and we have worse relationship. Weirder, Japan has a pretty sizable surplus in this trade with us.


1) Maybe, but our credibility doesn't come from one thing or another. It's the culmination of 40 years of policy that have resulted in a nation on the cusp of high income. It cannot be earned or lost that easily.

2) Win or lose, China's balance of power won't change. No nation other than US can challenge China on the seas, so what was now will still apply then. Only since we induct more tonnage in one year than most serious navys in a a decade, I say we are safe.



Lastly, check out China defense section. pictures. China's ground forces have access to many different type of combat vehicles, that India just doesn't have access to just yet. China has new command structure and new command vehicles as well as medical and logistic vehicles that gives China a very potent fire support.

China also has hundreds of dedicated armed helicopters WZ-10, WZ-19 that means Chinese fire support from the air is also strong.

India is getting better, I can see that, but in terms of ground forces modernization, it is not doing enough to provide it with the same type of fire support that China can bring to the battle field.

No use arguing with them. Their best friend Israel has mandatory conscription at age 18 for both men and women and they regard them as an extremely potent force. He will pick on anything and everything because it suits him.

 

[Mustang06]

Neither country wants war but Xi and Modi cannot back down from their position. Xi with the CPC and Chinese military looking at him cannot let India take a belligerent stand as it would reflect badly for their superpower ambition. Likewise Modi cannot let China bully Indian as he has himself in the past blamed UPA government for showing a weak spine in front of the Chinese. Both the military are equally capable in terms of manpower but IA army has more battle hardened troops and now with Modi as strong leader it also has a strong polity backing it. Chinese have been actively conducting various combined arms excercises and training with the best troops around the world and must have learned a lot. Chinese have an advantage in terms of equipment/C&C and infrastructure on their side. IA has been slow to develop infrastructure but with recent deployment of MSC and ALG in the North East rapid mobilization of troops and equipment can be done.
That being said India cannot just handover any territory of any sought pf tactical andvantage to Chinese just because Chinese claim it to be their territory. If push comes to shove IA is quite capable of holding off any Chinese misadventure as claimed by the Chinese media.

 

[Fledgingwings]

India wont dare to mess on chinese border! Theres a whole lot difference in kashmir and China.

 

[LURKER]

India wont dare to mess on chinese border! Theres a whole lot difference in kashmir and China.

India is already messing at the Chinese border for than a month and your big brother can't do anything about it other than blabbering through their state control media.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Proposal: let's make this a decent debate.

Here is what Indians are not getting: the Narendra Modi government is power drunk, power hungry, and power aspiring. They have a typical fundamentalist mindset. In such an atmosphere, it is easy to consider oneself a true power, and display the traits of 'polite yet firm'. One can go through the motions of being 'polite yet firm', but when the time comes for action, reality comes down hard.

But, the most glaring mistake of them all is evaluating India's power in 20th century terminology. Comparing ballistic missiles, SAMs, tanks, soldiers leads to a false sense of security. A war with China will be an informational war. No, this is not spreading disinformation which RAW is very adept at. This is about maintaining information superiority while crippling the enemy's information base. It is about cyber warfare, electromagnetic warfare. In general, unconventional warfare. It would be naïve to think China will not come out with everything it's got when the time comes.

Then, there is planning. Chinese planning is much more superior to Indian planning. This is the nation that gave the world 'The Are of War'. This is the nation that has planned around deadly natural forces, with pinpoint accuracy. And the difference in planning is painfully obvious to the trained eye. Here, I shall not go into the details of Indian failures. After all, one shouldn't interrupt the enemy while he is making a mistake!

Suffice it to say, the Indians shall be in for a rude awakening. China needs to protect its image as a peace loving nation, and thus, has been dealing with India only in the form of rhetoric. It is in India's own best interests to not escalate matters further.

@wanglaokan @Beast @long_ guys let's keep this civil and intelligent.

Too much reasoning!!!! It's scary!!!!! Hence, long live demagogue!!!!!

 

[ChennaiDude]

1.3 Billion brownies as animals

No worries..Brownies are at least much better than 1.4 Yellow cowards....especially how the Japs treated you in Nanking..what a shame.

Our media already openly make fun of that modi guy's IQ for not comprehend our message, what do you expect from the rest indians, in this respect, US is much smarter.

In korea war, we warned US never to cross the divided line, they ignored and took the consequences. In vietnam war, we gave the same warning and US took the cue, they never sent a single soldier to fight across that divided line, which by the way was the main reason US counldnot win the vietnam war.

Now the same story happened on those low IQ indians. In 1962, we warned them without positive response then humiliated them. This time is the same warning, but it will end up in slaughtering millions of those slum creatures and breaking it up, after all, its existence itself is against the law of human evolution.

Yes yes..your media is funny as shit!..now go ahead and issue another warning..cowards.

he spoke the bitter truth.

I have to agree with you @gslv mk3 ..did speak the bitter truth, dont you think..India must be flattered that our enemies are hoping that china stops warning and attacks India..LOL...

 

[Sully3]

The first bullet China will fire will make it lose billions of dollars of business. Vivo, Oppo, Huwaei, Xiomi who rule the roost here in India will be kicked out in no time and no not by the government but by the people themselves

they have a economy 20 times of India, I'm sure they will survive.

 

[gslv mk3]

they have a economy 20 times of India

Indian exonomy- around $2.5 trillion
Chinese economy- around $9 trillion.

This is 20 times ? I wonder how you became a programmer when you can't even do simple arithmetic operations.

 

[Fireurimagination]

they have a economy 20 times of India, I'm sure they will survive.

20 times I hope you know the size of Indian market is as big as the entire EU put together. Now to undertake some operation which may backfire on ground and will surely backfire elsewhere (losing of Indian market) isn't a smart decision and not expected out of Chinese.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Indian exonomy- around $2.5 trillion
Chinese economy- around $9 trillion.

This is 20 times ? I wonder how you became a programmer when you can't even do simple arithmetic operations.

And in PPP terms it is <3x (around 2.4x).