India's "great afghan hope" quietly fading away

[Jacob Martin]

Pakistan is bankrupt?????? So says the person who comes from the country that has 40% of the WORLD'S severely malnourished and wretched poor:

Shocker: India constitutes 40 percent of world's malnourished children

If bankruptcy means Pakistan does not have the above hell for our nation then I'd take bankruptcy each and every time. According to indians on PDF, india is going to surpass China and america in every field withon 5 years and make Afghanistan a major economic power on the way. The above article is indicitive of reality and indian fantasies.

But the blather you just wrote does not take away from the facts that I mentioned that pretty much indicate that Pakistan's economy is collapsing and the government is bankrupt. Do you know how pitifully small $500 million is for a country of 200 million people? And yet, Pakistan needs to borrow that money just to pay interest on its loans. Think about it. That is as bankrupt as they come.

To add, IMF had strongly suggested a devaluation in Pakistani currency while doing that. Outstanding debt is nearly 140B as of now.

Actually, IMF's Pakistan intervention is a long story. To cut a long story short, IMF knows that Pakistan is not meeting any of the qualification norms for further tranches, but it is willfully looking the other way. IMF wants Pakistan to default by taking more and more bailout money, so that it can then dictate terms to the Pakistani government about its notorious "structural adjustment program". A few billion dollars is chump change for buying the government of a large country like Pakistan.

So while Pakistanis are busy spinning stories about poor India with no toilets, malnourished children and "intolerance", their country is being purchased by IMF for $500 million. Pathetic.

 

[nangyale]

You are missing one major thing
This is US money actually (Which pakistan getting in Aid) used by Pakistan to suport Taliban in Afghanistan, After US exist Taliban's pakistan funding will stop but India's funding will continue. This is better scenario for India (India actually wanted this). Also now US can openly come in support of India whereas more freely punish pakistan for its wrong policies. (Still pakistan feeding some GOOD terrorists )
Just Yesterday it was announced in American Parliament since after 2001 to 2014 US gave above 30 billion $ aid to pakistan.

This is delusional.
So what you are saying is that the US is paying Pakistan, so that Pakistan can pay for the Taliban to fight US and US sponsored troops in Afghanistan................. What planet are you living on?

Now leaving the ridiculous apart. The US may have given 30$B in CSF and aid, but the Afghan war and it's associated spillover from foreign sponsored terrorism has cost more than triple that amount to the Pakistani economy, that's apart from the thousands of innocent lives lost.

As far India being able to out spend everyone in Afghanistan goes, let's see how that pan out. As I told you multiple times in this very thread. There is something called balls you either have or not. If you want to shore up your investment and save your proxies you need to bring your boots on the ground.
If money was the only criteria for winning wars than the GCC would have won each and every war that they ever fought. For wars you need men, men who are wearing trousers. Not long skirts.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan is also India's neighbour , but did it help them in resolving their issues ? But look at your relations with China and our relation with almost everyone except Pakistan, it's much better isn't it ?

Cultural wise I don't see much difference between Afghanistan and India. There are many people from Afghan origin living in India as a resident and for rest we have Bollywood to connect with Afghanistan.

Lol.......lol......lol.....hahahahahaha......that is the most ridiculous and deluded post I have ever read!!!!!!!!!!! Afghanistan is not even connected to india. The Afghans are a wholly completely different race, gene pool, culture, religion, heritage and physical stock to indians. Afghans and indians don't even remotely look similar. Saying Afghans are culturally like indians is as far fetched as saying Pakistanis are similar to Greeks/Italians/Spanish & Portuguese people. Absolutely ridiculous and hilarious......lol. Although the Afghans maybe happy to take indian investment, development packages and aid I know that a REAL Afghan would die of revulsion and a heart attack if you told them that they were similar to indians.....lol.

I'm loving PDF by the hour......lol.

 

[Sabawoon_Noorzai]

You are ridiculous for stereo-typing all Afghans as racist and nasty. More like self-projecting. By your logic Afghans have nothing in common with an absolute majority of Pakis too except some. Afghanistan's and its people's relations spans over a very long period--for more than 2 millennia before Pakistan was reared through the yoke of British Imperialism. India and Afghanistan, not withstanding the 60 years old British child Pakistan, for most of part of the last millennia shares a common history. It has always been Kabul/Ghazna/Kndahar and Delhi and never have we heard of Islamabad.

If you are a Sindhi or Panjabi then your attitude towards Indians is nothing but self-hatred and racism.

Indians are brothers.

بنی آدم اعضای یک پیکرند
که در آفرينش ز یک گوهرند
چو عضوى به درد آورد روزگار
دگر عضو ها را نماند قرار
تو کز محنت دیگران بی غمی
نشاید که نامت نهند آدمی-

The sons of Adam are limbs of each other,
Having been created of one essence.
When the calamity of time affects one limb
The other limbs cannot remain at rest.
If you have no sympathy for the troubles of others,
You are unworthy to be called by the name of a Human.

India and Afghanistan's relations are strategic, progressive, and solid.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

fading? Long ago faded, just need to forcefully weed out and remove the remnant irritants. That'll happen in good time.

2 hostile NDS chiefs had their careers ruined, now reduced to twitter rants in hiding....Karzai's brother - killed by rival drug barons, Karzai himself disgraced and crossed out of the picture.

For Pakistan - our interests shouldnt be zero sum game, we need to promote reconciliation between Pashtuns (secular, moderate or pro taleban) and the Tajiks/Pansheri/Daari speakers. Easier said than done b/c Afghans for ages allow themselves to be used and abused and divided. Our interest is just to ensure hostile neighbors dont exploit power vacuums. It went on for too long under the disastrous year of zardari. Luckily the military has more say in matters of strategic importance

never have we heard of Islamabad.

Until millions of your refugees came to Pakistan -- allowed to get jobs, education and work unaccounted for at our expense.

How can the land which produced the likes of Jalaluddin Rumi, Moinuddin Chishti, Jamaluddinn Afghani be used for petty purposes? The land from where ""Horasan Erens" moved to the Anatolia and made the foundations for the Seljuk and Ottoman Empires, which in turn was the defender of the Muslims for thousand years, can't be used to destabilize Pakistan - be assured of this no matter how much efforts are put.

they tried to and they killed many many of ours - but in the end we will stand triumphant..... here you have a situation where the worlds mightiest powers couldnt defeat Afghans, but regional powers tried to join the imbroglio un-invited to spite Pakistan.

it came back to bite their defense attache pretty badly and people like him...

 

[Sabawoon_Noorzai]

^Thats right mate, that has been recent, but we are talking about the historical India and its relation with Afghanistan.

Laughable analysis.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

You are ridiculous for stereo-typing all Afghans as racist and nasty. More like self-projecting. By your logic Afghans have nothing in common with an absolute majority of Pakis too except some. Afghanistan's and its people's relations spans over a very long period--for more than 2 millennia before Pakistan was reared through the yoke of British Imperialism. India and Afghanistan, not withstanding the 60 years old British child Pakistan, for most of part of the last millennia shares a common history. It has always been Kabul/Ghazna/Kndahar and Delhi and never have we heard of Islamabad.

If you are a Sindhi or Panjabi then your attitude towards Indians is nothing but self-hatred and racism.

Indians are brothers.

بنی آدم اعضای یک پیکرند
که در آفرينش ز یک گوهرند
چو عضوى به درد آورد روزگار
دگر عضو ها را نماند قرار
تو کز محنت دیگران بی غمی
نشاید که نامت نهند آدمی-

The sons of Adam are limbs of each other,
Having been created of one essence.
When the calamity of time affects one limb
The other limbs cannot remain at rest.
If you have no sympathy for the troubles of others,
You are unworthy to be called by the name of a Human.

India and Afghanistan's relations are strategic, progressive, and solid.

Do you think they have forgotten Sultan Mahmud of Gazni, Muhahmmad bin Ghouri or Ahmad Shah Abdali?

You are ridiculous for stereo-typing all Afghans as racist and nasty. More like self-projecting. By your logic Afghans have nothing in common with an absolute majority of Pakis too except some. Afghanistan's and its people's relations spans over a very long period--for more than 2 millennia before Pakistan was reared through the yoke of British Imperialism. India and Afghanistan, not withstanding the 60 years old British child Pakistan, for most of part of the last millennia shares a common history. It has always been Kabul/Ghazna/Kndahar and Delhi and never have we heard of Islamabad.

If you are a Sindhi or Panjabi then your attitude towards Indians is nothing but self-hatred and racism.

Indians are brothers.

بنی آدم اعضای یک پیکرند
که در آفرينش ز یک گوهرند
چو عضوى به درد آورد روزگار
دگر عضو ها را نماند قرار
تو کز محنت دیگران بی غمی
نشاید که نامت نهند آدمی-

The sons of Adam are limbs of each other,
Having been created of one essence.
When the calamity of time affects one limb
The other limbs cannot remain at rest.
If you have no sympathy for the troubles of others,
You are unworthy to be called by the name of a Human.

India and Afghanistan's relations are strategic, progressive, and solid.

Do you think they have forgotten Sultan Mahmud of Gazni, Muhahmmad bin Ghouri or Ahmad Shah Abdali?

 

[Nilgiri]

Lol.......lol......lol.....hahahahahaha......that is the most ridiculous and deluded post I have ever read!!!!!!!!!!! Afghanistan is not even connected to india. The Afghans are a wholly completely different race, gene pool, culture, religion, heritage and physical stock to indians. Afghans and indians don't even remotely look similar. Saying Afghans are culturally like indians is as far fetched as saying Pakistanis are similar to Greeks/Italians/Spanish & Portuguese people. Absolutely ridiculous and hilarious......lol. Although the Afghans maybe happy to take indian investment, development packages and aid I know that a REAL Afghan would die of revulsion and a heart attack if you told them that they were similar to indians.....lol.

I'm loving PDF by the hour......lol.

Enjoy!

 

[Sabawoon_Noorzai]

They are who they were and are part history. The French and Germans had it worse in history. India and Afghanistan friendship in contemporary time does not date back to since the fall of Taliban but goes back as far back as Pakistan's friendship and strategic relation with any country you may name.

LONG LIVE OUR FRIENDSHIP

 

[koolio]

when will Pakistanies learn,Govt come and go,and policies change with change of govt.

Win the hearts of people if you need any influence for long run.


For that to happen,Pakistan should stop its territory being used to destabilise Afganistan.atleast thats what majority of Afgans belive


For that to happen,Pakistan should stop its territory being used to destabilise Afganistan.atleast thats what majority of Afgans belive

As usual bla bla from the Indian perspective, your opinion wont change my opinion, the majority of Pakistani's believe Afghanistan which is a failed state, has to rely on outsiders for protection against Talibs, the bottom line is Afghanistan needs to act as a responsible state, finger pointing at others for its failures wont solve anything in the long term.

 

[war&peace]

Afghanistan is the land of Holy Mehmood Ghaznavi (May Allah's mercy be upon him) and Ahmed Shah Abdali (May Allah's mercy be upon him). Soon modern successors of both the greatest personalities in the history of Afghanistan will take over and teach a lesson to India.

 

[Nilgiri]

They are who they were and are part history. The French and Germans had it worse in history. India and Afghanistan friendship in contemporary time does not date back to since the fall of Taliban but goes back as far back as Pakistan's friendship and strategic relation with any country you may name.

LONG LIVE OUR FRIENDSHIP

We want more India - Afghan friendship and cooperation!

 

[nForce]

Do you think they have forgotten Sultan Mahmud of Gazni, Muhahmmad bin Ghouri or Ahmad Shah Abdali?

We haven't forgotten about any. We read about them in our history books. That's what they are-History.

What exactly made you think that we are stupid enough to let a thousand year old past get in way of our present and future ?
Secondly, talking about remembering who they are or what it is, it is quite clear who have entirely forgotten about it. All if them entered through present Pakistan. The Punjabis even had a particular saying about Abdali, are you aware ?

 

[CHD]

To all afghans talking about their so called thoausands years history with india, can yo plz tell me why is Hindukush mountains called hindukush?
Afghan kings used to come to indian for only one thing to loot,rape and butcher hindus and then go back.Thats your history with india

 

[DRDO KALI 10000]

This is delusional.
So what you are saying is that the US is paying Pakistan, so that Pakistan can pay for the Taliban to fight US and US sponsored troops in Afghanistan................. What planet are you living on?

Now leaving the ridiculous apart. The US may have given 30$B in CSF and aid, but the Afghan war and it's associated spillover from foreign sponsored terrorism has cost more than triple that amount to the Pakistani economy, that's apart from the thousands of innocent lives lost.

As far India being able to out spend everyone in Afghanistan goes, let's see how that pan out. As I told you multiple times in this very thread. There is something called balls you either have or not. If you want to shore up your investment and save your proxies you need to bring your boots on the ground.
If money was the only criteria for winning wars than the GCC would have won each and every war that they ever fought. For wars you need men, men who are wearing trousers. Not long skirts.

I am not speculating , just putting mirror in front of you.
again you need some enlightenment
Directly Washington Press words :
America Gives Aid To Pakistan, Pakistan Gives Terrorism To The World

The Double Game - The New Yorker

And as I said if US aid stop to pakistan , Taliban Funding automatically will dry after all You need to eat then you can fund Terror. So, this Afganistan Govt. can at least Face Taliban.