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India's China obsession

Measuring the country’s economic development against China’s yardstick is an obsession in India

At a recent panel discussion to commemorate the 20th anniversary of India’s dismantling parts of its socialist economy, a government minister told business leaders to keep their eye on the big prize: growing faster than China.

“That’s not impossible,” said the minister, P Chidambaram, who oversees national security and previously was finance minister. “People are beginning to talk about outpacing China.”

Indians, in fact, seem to talk endlessly about all things China, a neighbor with whom they have long had a prickly relationship, but which is also one of the few other economies that has had 8 percent or more annual growth in recent years. Indian newspapers are filled with articles comparing the two countries. Indian executives refer to China as a template for development. Officials cite Beijing, variously as a threat, partner or role model.

But if keeping up with the Wangs is India’s economic motive force, the rivalry seems to be largely one-sided.

“Indians are obsessed with China, but the Chinese are paying too little attention to India,” said Minxin Pei, an economist who was born in China and who writes a monthly column for an Indian daily. No Indian economists are known to have a regular column in mainland Chinese publications.

Most Chinese are unconcerned with how India is growing and changing, because they prefer to compare their country with the United States and Europe, said Pei, a professor at Claremont McKenna College near Los Angeles. He says he has tried to organize conferences about India in China but has struggled to find enough Chinese India experts.

Liu Yi, a clothing store owner in Beijing, echoed the sentiments of a dozen Chinese people interviewed in Beijing and Shanghai, in dismissing the idea that the two countries could be compared. Yes, he said India was a “world leader” in information technology but it also had many “backward, undeveloped places.”

“China’s economy is special,” Liu said. “If China’s development has a model, you could say it’s the US or England.”

It might be only natural that the Chinese would look up the development ladder to the United States, now that it is the only nation in the world with a larger economy, rather than over their shoulders at India, which ranks ninth. And while China is India’s largest trading partner, the greatest portion of China’s exports go to the United States.

So for India, China represents the higher rung to strive for. Like India, China traces its civilization back thousands of years and has a population of more than 1 billion people.

And China has lessons to offer because, under Deng Xiaoping in the late 1970s and early ’80s, it started the transition to a more open and competitive economy more than a decade before India. Before Deng took power, India’s economy was bigger on a per-capita basis than China’s.

Whatever the reasons, Indians compare virtually every aspect of their nation with China.

Infrastructure (China is acknowledged as being many kilometers ahead). The armed forces (China is more powerful). Universities (China has invested more in its institutions).

The software industry (India is far ahead). Proficiency in the English language (India has the historical advantage, but China is catching up).

Evidence of the Indo-Sino interest disparity can be seen in the two countries’ leading newspapers. The People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist Party’s house organ, had only 24 articles mentioning India on its English-language Web site in the first seven months of this year, according to the Factiva database. By contrast, The Times of India, the country’s largest circulation English-language newspaper, had 57 articles mentioning China — in July alone.

There are other big gaps. Indian cities, large and small, are filled with Chinese restaurants that serve a distinctly ultraspicy, Indian version of that cuisine. But there are few Indian restaurants in Beijing or Shanghai, let alone in smaller Chinese cities.

In 2009, more than 1,60,000 Indian tourists visited mainland China, according to the Chinese government. Barely 100,000 Chinese tourists made the reverse trek, according to India’s government.

In early July, a Indian financial newspaper ran a photo slide show on its website titled “How China builds these, and why India never does.” The slide show is a series of photographs of large infrastructure projects in China, including the a new 26-mile-long bridge linking Qingdao and the Huangdao district across the Jiaozhou Bay on the northeastern coast.

India’s views have also been shaped by a 1962 war that ended with China seizing a chunk of the northern India state of Kashmir. The countries still have an unsettled border, and China claims a large piece of territory controlled by India.
 
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tit for tat :omghaha:

China provides life for Indian family - People's Daily Online

One of Dhanak's dreams is to get Chinese citizenship, but the threshold for her is too high to reach.

"I have talked to a Chinese friend and I said why don't they give me Chinese citizenship, and she said 'we have so many people for now. Why do we want more?' I agree to that, but I wish I could stay in China forever, because this is home now."

Like Dhanak and her family tens of thousands of Indians live in China. As the economy grows, Indian people come here to look for new opportunities. In the coastal city Guangzhou, for instance, there are about 3,000 Indian businessmen.
 
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hafizzz now you are making a fool of yourselves.... I think your own country is obsessed with China, live example is YOU only....always cheerleading for China!
 
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“All the Indians who visit Shanghai are just blown over. They’re really impressed by the new construction, the shininess, as well as the efficiency,” Deo said.

So what? :girl_wacko:
 
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India Measures Itself Against a China That Doesn’t Notice
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/01/b...as-an-economic-model.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

'China is an obsession for India': Kissinger's book
'China is an obsession for India': Kissinger's book

IT manufacturing: India wants to be like China
IT manufacturing: India wants to be like China - Times Of India

China is India's Economic Role Model
http://www.nitee.org/news-room/associate-news/china-indias-economic-role-model


Every virtual aspect of India is compared with China. The infrastructure, armed forces, education, software industry, proficiency in English language is what they mainly compare with china. By contrast, The Times of India, the country's largest circulation English-language newspaper, had 57 articles mentioning China - in July alone. The Chinese food is found in every roads of India, but Indian cuisine is hardly found in Beijing and shanghai. In 2009, more than 160,000 Indian tourists visited mainland China, according to the Chinese government. Barely 100,000 Chinese tourists made the reverse trek, according to India's government. Prakash Jagtap, who owns a small engineering firm in Pune, has been to China five times. Like many Indians, he loves Chinese food (of the Indian variant) and he sings the praises of Chinese diligence, persistence and discipline in its culture and government. "They have more discipline," he said. "Here in our country, people don't look for the long term. Instead, they look for short term, both the management and labor.
 
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China has great ancient culture from forms of literature like the three kingdoms to martial arts, and dance. Their civilization is far more superior than that of India. The Indians can only put down the Chinese while trying to mimic them in their hearts.
 
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If tourist visits China, you call that obsession.. are you home-schooled by any chance?

If Indians were not obsessed with China then why are there such a large numbers of Indians visiting China each year ?

Tourism in India and China, a striking study in contrast
The Hindu : Opinion / News Analysis : Tourism in India and China, a striking study in contrast

It takes only seven hours to fly from New Delhi’s international airport to the Beijing airport’s new Terminal 3. It is, however, seven hours that separate a surrealist nightmare from a traveller’s paradise.

In Delhi the dystopia begins before one even manages to enter the airport terminal. Snaking, jostling, queues make the entry line into the building an obstacle course that is usually survived only at the cost of bruised baggage or body. Brightly coloured “Sorry for Inconvenience” signs apologise to the bewildered tourists who finally make it inside, while reassuring them that a “World Class Airport” would emerge from the ashes of the current mess, a.s.a.p.

When I took a recent flight to China, a formidable-looking lady officer at passport control yawned loudly before snapping: “Aap sab log meri hi window kai age kyon ruk rahe hain? Aage chalo.” (Why are all of you passengers insisting on waiting at my window, only? Move on.)

The contrast when we alighted at Beijing’s cathedral-high, light-filled, 10-million square foot Terminal 3, was disorienting in some ways. At immigration control officers took an average of two minutes to wave passengers through with a smile and a request to rate the efficiency of their performance.

A week after my return to China, India Tourism opened its first office in Beijing with considerable fanfare. The Minister for Tourism and Culture flew in especially for the occasion. An Indian food festival was launched and a cultural evening, featuring a classical dance show choreographed by the celebrated Leela Sampson, was put on.

Much was made of the fact that India and China together comprised almost 40 per cent of the world’s population. Figures demonstrating China’s potential as a source of outbound tourism were made available. China, it was revealed, is already the largest source for outbound tourism in all of Asia. Last year a weighty 40 million Chinese travelled abroad (up from 12.1 million in 2001), and according to the World Tourism Organisation this number would rise to 100 million by 2020.

But as officials from the Indian Tourism Ministry admitted, the cold fact is that last year India attracted only 68,000 Chinese visitors. There was thus much hand-wringing about the fact that Chinese travellers to India make up less than 2 per cent of the total number of foreign travellers to the country.

In contrast to the trickle of visitors venturing south of the Himalayas from China, over 4.5 lakh Indians made their way across last year, according to China National Tourism Administration figures.

Redressing this asymmetry in tourist flows is one of the main aims of the new India Tourism office in China. But as the story of the disjuncture between the Beijing and Delhi airports reveals, this is a task that is likely to remain unachieved unless a range of other asymmetries can be redressed.

The most obvious of these is the contrasting levels of tourist infrastructure available in the two countries.

Beijing alone has as many star-rated hotel rooms as all of India. While India has an estimated 100,000 such hotel rooms nationwide, Beijing will boast 130,000 hotel rooms (not including guest houses and unstarred hotels) by the time it plays host to the Olympic Games in August.

Given India’s strong economic growth in recent years it is unsurprising that the supply of hotel rooms in the country cannot match the soaring demand for them. Consequently, it has become common to pay upwards of $400 a night at five-star hotels in New Delhi. In contrast, comparable hotel rooms in Beijing can be had for as little as $100.

Thus, while China has already transformed itself into the world’s fourth most popular destination for foreign travellers, welcoming 26.1 million visitors from abroad (excluding Hong Kong and Macau) last year, “Incredible India” managed to lure only 5.3 million.

This is despite the fact that India’s historic and cultural treasures are actually better preserved than China’s, which suffered a setback to its traditional art and architecture during the Cultural Revolution (1966-76) consequent to the destruction of many temples, tombs and palaces.

“Even though both China and India are ancient civilisations, in China ancient culture is disappearing so quickly, but in India traditions are really alive,” says Wu Yao Yao, a young documentary filmmaker from Beijing who visited India as an independent traveller last year.

While in India Ms. Wu, a fluent English speaker, travelled by bus, stayed in backpacker hostels and ate roadside food. She is, however, far from the typical Chinese traveller who tends to speak no English, prefers travelling in organised group tours, sticks to eating Chinese food and expects to stay in mid-level hotels at a reasonable cost.

India fulfils few of these conditions whereas only a couple of flight hours east, South-East Asian countries specialise in cheap package holidays tailored specifically for the Chinese market. So, the bulk of the Chinese who travel abroad choose to go to destinations such as Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore.

While a week’s all-inclusive package to the beaches of Thailand is available for about 4,000 yuan ($560), the plane tickets to India alone cost upwards of 4,500 yuan ($630). Admitting India’s disadvantage in the cost aspect, Minister Ambika Soni pointed to the high price of land as the main culprit.
Information lacuna

Beyond inadequate infrastructure and the resultant high costs, the major obstacle for India when it comes to cultivating the Chinese market is the lack of availability of tourism information in Chinese, as well as Chinese-language facilities on-site at tourist spots in India. Some of these issues are gradually being addressed. The new India Tourism office in China has produced several brochures in Chinese. A Chinese version of the Incredible India website is up and running.

However, when asked by a local journalist about the availability of Chinese-speaking tour guides, audio aids and so on in India, Indian Ambassador to China Nirupama Rao suggested that English-speaking Chinese visit India to become familiar with it and then to take up the job of tourist guides for Chinese groups visiting the country. For Indians themselves to become competent to provide such services, she said, it would take a decade or so.

A bright spot on the China-India tourism map is the recent increase in direct flight connectivity. From being linked by a lone bi-weekly Air Ethiopian flight in 2001, there are now 27 weekly connections between India and China, linking New Delhi to Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou, and Kolkata to Kunming. Jet Airways will soon start the first direct flight connecting Mumbai to a Chinese city, Shanghai. Nonetheless, according to Rahul Jain, the China head for Air India, there are still only 200,000 seats a year available on direct flights between the two countries, despite the fact that there are over 500,000 one-way travellers.

The potential for growth is thus huge. However, despite the mismatch between availability of airline seats and number of travellers, most airlines which ply the India-China route are somewhat mysteriously unable to fill up available space. Instead, they make up for numbers by routing passengers to India from the West coast of the United States and Canada via Shanghai or Beijing.

Mr. Jain says the reason is that a large proportion of travellers between India and China continues to prefer to go through third countries such as Thailand, Hong Kong or Singapore. The options for flight connectivity on these routes are till much greater than those on the direct routes. Moreover, airlines like Air China and Air India are hard put to compete with the likes of Cathay Pacific or Singapore Airlines in terms of comfort and service.

That progress has been made on the Sino-Indian tourism front is a fact. While the number of Chinese visitors to India last year remained small in absolute terms, they represent an increase of 224 per cent over 2003, when only 21,000 Chinese travelled to the country. However, bilateral trade for the same time period increased by over 400 per cent, from $7.6 billion to $38.6 billion.

For India to garner a really substantial share of the burgeoning Chinese outbound tourism market, it will take more than the opening of a tourism office and the occasional food festival. Quality mid-range hotels, cheap and plentiful flight connectivity and Chinese language facilities are called for. In their absence, “Incredible India” is destined to remain “incredibly inconvenient and expensive” India.
 
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If Indians were not obsessed with China then why are there such a large numbers of Indians visiting China each year ?

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You are using the term 'obsession' wrongly. It is not called obsession, tourist find China beautiful and worth going that is why they go there. I can't counter you on this because I myself find China scenic and chinese food is damn famous in India.. This is not obsession mate. :laugh:

Anyways if you want to get into comparison you will find China well ahead of Indian standards.
 
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I'm telling ya, this could evolve into some sort of Asian orgy thing.....
 
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