India's C-DAC Launches World’s First Compact Supercomputing (HPC) System 'PARAM Shavak'

[jamahir]

It was granted approval by the cabinet only in 2014 -

i didn't know that.

Approval to establish two Semiconductor Wafer Fabrication Manufacturing Facilities in India

(i) M/s Jaiprakash Associates Limited (with IBM, USA and Tower Semiconductor Limited, Israel as partners)
a) Project Cost: Rs 34,399 crore
b) Technology: 90/65/45/28 nm
c) Capacity: 40,000 WSPM
d) Location: Yamuna Expressway, Uttar Pradesh

(ii) M/s HSMC Technologies India Pvt. Ltd. (with ST Microelectronics and Silterra Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. as partners)
a) Project Cost: Rs 29,013 crore
b) Technology: 90/65/45/28/22 nm
c) Capacity: 40,000 WSPM
d) Location: Prantij, Gujarat

so what exactly are they really going to manufacture?? and do they have the 6 billion dollars each??

To go full indigenous a huge investment is required which isn't possible for the GoI to commit as of now

The Centre has also set up a Rs 10,000-crore fund to give subsidies of 20-25% of capital expenditure costs to companies setting up manufacturing facilities in the country.

it does not require a billion dollars and five government departments to have a indigenous microprocessor ( if that is what they mean by "semiconductor" ).

all it needs is if someone has the idea of a radically new design, money sources ( private or government ) should immediately fund that person or group, and the group must be willing to innovate, going against established design rules that are taught in colleges and forwarded in the "industry".

except for the indian film industry, indian financing system is the stupidest in the world...

(a). if someone has to design something big, that person should not be doing job because the job would take away ten or eleven hours of a day and leave the person in no state to design anything... ideas may come any time of the day and the person must be free to pursue them, and something like microprocessor will take years in design because the project will keep getting enhanced and simplified... and in all this time, that person or group must have money for a comfortable life... what if those people are from middle-class background?? a minimal comfortable life in india will need at least 15,000 rupees to live in the style befitting someone working on such a important thing... but india is a country of jobniks where people must do useless jobs just to survive and if someone does job we come back to the same problem of the person not being able to do the project ( any actually useful project ).

(b). the capitalist banking system in india wants only money going into bank profits and nothing for benefit of larger society... so if you go to a bank for a typical loan, they will ask you the previous six monthly salary receipts and they may then give you a capitalism-calculated loan for which you must pay monthly installments back to them and these too are added with interest calculation... but if a person or group wishes to start a business based on a project, they must pursue the project giving full time... so where from will they have money to pay back the bank every month... so again, it is either job or project.

(c). private venture capitalists ( computer field ) in india are useless because they fund the most frivolous and materialistic of projects... shopping websites, app writing companies, smaller versions of coolie companies like infosys etc... these venture capitalists in india, because of india's non-risk-taking and materialist culture, expect money back within months... which is why neither a operating system design company has been started here nor a spaceship design company ( like spacex ).

(d). you just have to look at the long-winded funding procedures of the various technological ministries in india... so unless your venture is self-funded, there is absolutely no chance.

(e). organizations like cdac and drdro will never design a os or microprocessor because such things need big-picture thinking and going-against-the-grain, and as in known, the "scientists" in these organizations come through the ridiculous indian system which focuses on exams and the exams are meant to produce race horses which compete for jobs and the consequent salaries... and because each person tries to be safe, he never talks of new things which entails "risk"... therefore no innovation... look how the 2010 drdo announcement of a operating system has gone nowhere in four years, and they want five more years to come up with something.

the best operating system in the world is qnx, originally designed by two people in canada in 1981, i think... there is reason why india could not devise a basic operating system in these 30+ years, let alone a os better than qnx.

The greatest project of C-DAC has been the "PARAM-series Supercomputers" - As of 2008, 52 PARAMs have been deployed. Of these, 8 are located in Russia, Singapore, Germany and Canada. PARAMs have also been sold to Tanzania, Armenia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Ghana, Myanmar, Nepal, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | India unveils huge supercomputer
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"supercomputer" is really a american establishment concept, deriving from their "mainframe" concept, which in turn derives from the capitalist nature of the system there... banks, insurance, inventories, stocks etc.

you have seen my opposition to this concept.

one can easily go on cancelling usage of supercomputer in fields like "weather prediction", nuclear weapons design, biology applications, security information analysis, "big data" etc... one can cancel by (a). cancelling the entire field, (b). using cluster of off-the-shelf machines, (c). decentralized data collection ( example, public security ).

"supercomputer" really has become a means of waging nationalistic chest-thumping in which the only three really interested participants are india, usa and china... "who has the most petaflops" is the goal of these wars... neither of these societies has actually improved because of having increased "supercomputer" over the years.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

so what exactly are they really going to manufacture??

Integrated circuits that are present in every day electrical and electronic devices such as phones, computer hardware, set-top boxes and host of other such devices.

and do they have the 6 billion dollars each??

They have formed Joint Ventures - and a part of the investment would be made by their respective foreign partners apart from raising soft loans from the market.The first JV will be between Jaiprakash Associates (India) with IBM (US) and TowerSemiconductor (Israel) as partners. The second JV will have partners in HSMC TechnologiesIndia with ST Microelectronics and Silterra Malaysia.

These units will get a slew of incentives. These include 25 per cent subsidy on capital expenditure and tax reimbursement as admissible under Modified Special Incentive Package Scheme (M-SIPS) Policy.

Also, these facilities will get exemption of basic customs duty for non-covered capital items; 200 per cent deduction on expenditure on R&D, as admissible under the provisions of the Income Tax Act and investment linked deductions. The units will also get an interest-free loan of around Rs 5,124 crore each ($850 million each).

 

[Skull and Bones]

huzoor, kyun naukri me time waste karna chahte hain... apni kaalej degree jalaaiye aur ek project group start keejiye, microprocessor design keejiye.

Aur bhookha mariye.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Aur bhookha mariye.

So exactly how good is the system with a Capacity of 2+ Teraflops? Though processors like Intel Celeron G1830 and AMD Radeon R9 295x2 tops out at over 11.5 TFLOPS, costs around 60000 INR.

 

[punit]

naughty boy.



1.


the "semiconductor fab unit" plan of hsmc is old, older than the 2014 in the article... according to one document from its website, they have a mou with infineon and siemens for purchase and set up of the machinery needed in such a factory.

even so, the point is what will they manufacture?? yet another derivation of arm processor?? or perhaps the sun opensparc processor implementation that the ministry of info. tech. had planned in 2009?? in either case, foreign design.

as ever with indian technology projects, this too is a job and college-course generating project than anything that will contribute to the world.

2. cdac is a useless agency whose greatest project is the "boss operating system", a linux derivation... what cdac is saying with its "processor" project is that it will be a minor device for specific usage, nothing general purpose like intel core... also, cdac didn't specify if this will be entirely a new design or just a smaller implementation of arm.

3. and this "internet of things" that cdac plans its chip for, is yet another of those mba-created buzzword like cloud computing, compliance... all noise and no substance... capitalist bullshit... why should everything be connected to the internet, i say... sophistication is removal of complications, not adding of them.

4. what happened to this drdo project "started" in 2010 ( India to develop its own futuristic computer operating system - timesofindia-economictimes )??




check for 2014 news of this project... chairman of drdo was repeating the same nonsense, with the addition that it would take five more years ( for what?? ).

5. what happened to this project ( Govt to chip in with India Microprocessor - timesofindia-economictimes )??




so not indigenous after all.

besides, what happened to this 2009 program?? this is 2015.

we should learn from Libya.

 

[Viny]

Expected and nice to see CDAC packaging up products and trying to sell this to global market.
Although similar setups where already available for internal projects from last few years, but most of it was customized as per requirements.

People who were worried about india's computational capabilities at remote locations for BMD's etc should open up there eyes and should start seeing big picture There is a lot got underneath which is never in mainstream media. Although there is a lot that is pushed in media just to create a perception

So exactly how good is the system with a Capacity of 2+ Teraflops? Though processors like Intel Celeron G1830 and AMD Radeon R9 295x2 tops out at over 11.5 TFLOPS, costs around 60000 INR.

Put few of these in a network and do PVC and then enjoy the power

 

[Skull and Bones]

So exactly how good is the system with a Capacity of 2+ Teraflops? Though processors like Intel Celeron G1830 and AMD Radeon R9 295x2 tops out at over 11.5 TFLOPS, costs around 60000 INR.

Pretty good,given that the workstations i use for simulations costs more than $3500 and have only .4 teraflop, and i have 2 of them.

Does have a market, if they can reach out to the segment. I might buy one.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Expected and nice to see CDAC packaging up products and trying to sell this to global market.
Although similar setups where already available for internal projects from last few years, but most of it was customized as per requirements.

People who were worried about india's computational capabilities at remote locations for BMD's etc should open up there eyes and should start seeing big picture There is a lot got underneath which is never in mainstream media. Although there is a lot that is pushed in media just to create a perception



Put few of these in a network and do PVC and then enjoy the power

We can also upgrade its processors if we want to?

Pretty good,given that the workstations i use for simulations costs more than $3500 and have only .4 teraflop, and i have 2 of them.

Does have a market, if they can reach out to the segment. I might buy one.

Great! The PARAM-series HPC Systems have been fairly successful in the International Market - As of 2008, 52 PARAMs have been deployed. Of these, 8 are located in Russia, Singapore, Germany and Canada. PARAMs have also been sold to Tanzania, Armenia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Ghana, Myanmar, Nepal, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam. Though they haven't made its price public yet - the first delivery was made to a lady professor at PSG College of Engineering in Tamil Nadu - Students and Professors can easily afford one!

 

[Skull and Bones]

Great! The PARAM-series HPC Systems have been fairly successful in the International Market - As of 2008, 52 PARAMs have been deployed. Of these, 8 are located in Russia, Singapore, Germany and Canada. PARAMs have also been sold to Tanzania, Armenia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Ghana, Myanmar, Nepal, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam. Though they haven't made its price public yet - the first delivery was made to a lady professor at PSG College of Engineering in Tamil Nadu - Students and Professors can easily afford one!

If the price is 60K INR, and if i tell my professor, he can buy 8-10 of those.

 

[JaiShriAllahNath]

My pleasure! Though strange that no one reported it! - it was launched back on December 26 - Was going through C-DAC's Facebook page that thankfully I came across this news. Scientific and Technological Advancements are of utmost importance and the mainstream media should at least publicize them adequately

There is nothing like "free media". All private media is "paid". They show only one thing free, guess which? Rapes and disabled people's sexuality needs(that's national issue for them as media is also mentally disabled).

If CDAC pays, they will show it. Heck, even Doordarshan is busy promoting Islam, English and deoband nowadays. Even they didn't cover this news. This is sufi modi's india. What u wanted is Sadhvi jyoti's Bharat where positive news is covered, that Bharat is dead now.

Media is abusing even ex-Army Chief of India just because he said "Media is a paid pr0stitute". Now, they are insulting him ruthlessly till he apologizes. So, now a guy who served 50 years on border forces should apologize to these madarch*ds?

now, V.K.Singh and sadhvi jyoti belong to bajrang dal category. i am proud of v.k.singh, a hardcore hindu general, all anglophile generals hate him and feeling wet in their pants. same with media.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

There is nothing like "free media". All private media is "paid". They show only one thing free, guess which? Rapes and disabled people's sexuality needs(that's national issue for them as media is also mentally disabled).

If CDAC pays, they will show it. Heck, even Doordarshan is busy promoting Islam, English and deoband nowadays. Even they didn't cover this news. This is sufi modi's india. What u wanted is Sadhvi jyoti's Bharat where positive news is covered, that Bharat is dead now.

Media is abusing even ex-Army Chief of India just because he said "Media is a paid pr0stitute". Now, they are insulting him ruthlessly till he apologizes. So, now a guy who served 50 years on border forces should apologize to these madarch*ds?

now, V.K.Singh and sadhvi jyoti belong to bajrang dal category. i am proud of v.k.singh, a hardcore hindu general, all anglophile generals hate him and feeling wet in their pants. same with media.

Media in India is in the hands of a privileged elite. Rape and gang rape, in particular, is high up the agenda for most of the country’s leading newspapers - that incidents of rape are affecting even the best off in society, and it is that which has put rape on journalists’ radars. Sexual trafficking is a major problem too but it isn’t something media outlets pick up very often as this issue rarely affects the best off in society.

Often media is much more engaged with the things like films and public entertainment and who said what about whom, which is a subject that 20% of the population really may be engaged in. But there is a huge population that get very little attention from the media and in a democracy, that makes a big difference, as to what policies follow. The performance of various governments over the decades on education and healthcare has been inadequate and it is the media's inability to focus on these questions which is responsible for this.

But things are changing - thanks to social media more and more people are becoming aware of these presstitutes and they know what is right or what is wrong for that matter.

Anyways that's a different debate altogether - let's refrain from going off topic.

 

[JaiShriAllahNath]

^^ Rapes exist only on TV screen. On ground, situation is normal. For example, my town has population of 40 lakh people and in my whole life, i never saw women complaining "this is city has rapes, this is unsafe". This whole drama started in Delhi. Now i never travelled to delhi but i have friends there who tell me - "media is hyping it, there is nothing on ground. A few cases here and there. Nobody feels unsafe here. Media shows only those few women who feel unsafe, rest majority view is not even shown". In other words, even Delhi's reality is twisted by media.

Then i asked him - "so, how that nirbhaya protest took place in delhi?" He answered - "did u even check who attended that protest? Most of people were non-Delhites, NGOs, workers of social organizations. They organized it and led it. The difference was, media showed those people but didn't show the hoardings which they were carrying which had their organization/NGO name written on it, for publicity. No person from my locality went to protest even when it was nearby 100 meters".

did media cover Bangladeshi invasion of South-Assam? that's where real news is. Not in rapes. Rapes are as normal as they were in year 1900. India always had pretty low rape rate. I am living in this building which is 20 years old but i never heard anyone talk about "rape". But yes, i did hear talk them about Modi and what he will do to india. Everyday! Bigger problem than rape, right?

Did any media cover mass-rapes of hindus in Kashmir in last 30 years? The issue is not rape. Rapes are merely shown to spread anger in public against government(Modi). Foreign missionaries, NGOs, foundations pay huge money to MEDIA to keep India negative. Its necessary to stop science/economy/R&D. It helps in selling depression drugs too. Media is business, not reality. i left TV news 4 years ago. Internet is better.

 

[mad_max]

i didn't know that.





so what exactly are they really going to manufacture?? and do they have the 6 billion dollars each??





it does not require a billion dollars and five government departments to have a indigenous microprocessor ( if that is what they mean by "semiconductor" ).

all it needs is if someone has the idea of a radically new design, money sources ( private or government ) should immediately fund that person or group, and the group must be willing to innovate, going against established design rules that are taught in colleges and forwarded in the "industry".

except for the indian film industry, indian financing system is the stupidest in the world...

(a). if someone has to design something big, that person should not be doing job because the job would take away ten or eleven hours of a day and leave the person in no state to design anything... ideas may come any time of the day and the person must be free to pursue them, and something like microprocessor will take years in design because the project will keep getting enhanced and simplified... and in all this time, that person or group must have money for a comfortable life... what if those people are from middle-class background?? a minimal comfortable life in india will need at least 15,000 rupees to live in the style befitting someone working on such a important thing... but india is a country of jobniks where people must do useless jobs just to survive and if someone does job we come back to the same problem of the person not being able to do the project ( any actually useful project ).

(b). the capitalist banking system in india wants only money going into bank profits and nothing for benefit of larger society... so if you go to a bank for a typical loan, they will ask you the previous six monthly salary receipts and they may then give you a capitalism-calculated loan for which you must pay monthly installments back to them and these too are added with interest calculation... but if a person or group wishes to start a business based on a project, they must pursue the project giving full time... so where from will they have money to pay back the bank every month... so again, it is either job or project.

(c). private venture capitalists ( computer field ) in india are useless because they fund the most frivolous and materialistic of projects... shopping websites, app writing companies, smaller versions of coolie companies like infosys etc... these venture capitalists in india, because of india's non-risk-taking and materialist culture, expect money back within months... which is why neither a operating system design company has been started here nor a spaceship design company ( like spacex ).

(d). you just have to look at the long-winded funding procedures of the various technological ministries in india... so unless your venture is self-funded, there is absolutely no chance.

(e). organizations like cdac and drdro will never design a os or microprocessor because such things need big-picture thinking and going-against-the-grain, and as in known, the "scientists" in these organizations come through the ridiculous indian system which focuses on exams and the exams are meant to produce race horses which compete for jobs and the consequent salaries... and because each person tries to be safe, he never talks of new things which entails "risk"... therefore no innovation... look how the 2010 drdo announcement of a operating system has gone nowhere in four years, and they want five more years to come up with something.

the best operating system in the world is qnx, originally designed by two people in canada in 1981, i think... there is reason why india could not devise a basic operating system in these 30+ years, let alone a os better than qnx.



"supercomputer" is really a american establishment concept, deriving from their "mainframe" concept, which in turn derives from the capitalist nature of the system there... banks, insurance, inventories, stocks etc.

you have seen my opposition to this concept.

one can easily go on cancelling usage of supercomputer in fields like "weather prediction", nuclear weapons design, biology applications, security information analysis, "big data" etc... one can cancel by (a). cancelling the entire field, (b). using cluster of off-the-shelf machines, (c). decentralized data collection ( example, public security ).

"supercomputer" really has become a means of waging nationalistic chest-thumping in which the only three really interested participants are india, usa and china... "who has the most petaflops" is the goal of these wars... neither of these societies has actually improved because of having increased "supercomputer" over the years.

Is this guy for real opposing super computing , send him back to Yemen he belongs there.
He will have nomadic culture and sharia banking there so will feel at home .

 

[TimeTraveller]

Hi,
Just out of curiosity - what do you do? student?

I am a student sir....Arts.....

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

I am a student sir....Arts.....

Me too! Just passed my Class XII boards! You?