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Indian Navy lieutenant's wife 'forced into wife-swapping parties'

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Ahem!!! Yahya Khan? .. so lets not get into professionalism and morality of pak army!

You show me instances of wife swapping and I will be happy to accept.

Anyways, let's not turn this into a comparing thread...let's get back on topic.

Unprofessional and immoral for the entire Pakistani Army? Would you like an alphabetized list? :lol:

Let's narrow the talk down to the Navy. The Indian Navy, despite all allegations, has never faced a successful attack on its installations or faced destruction of assets running into millions. That is what professionalism is, not what some random navy wife alleges.

So we are going from wife-swapping to naval base attacks?

As I said, let's not turn this into a comparison thread.
 
Unprofessional and immoral for the entire Pakistani Army? Would you like an alphabetized list? :lol:

Let's narrow the talk down to the Navy. The Indian Navy, despite all allegations, has never faced a successful attack on its installations or faced destruction of assets running into millions. That is what professionalism is, not what some random navy wife alleges.


May be because they swap wives with terrorists too. :rolleyes:

On a serious note prove what @nuclearpak is asking you guys to prove, instead of this BS.
 
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This news, i am afraid is true. My cousin, officer in Navy, refused to take his newly married wife(love marriage) to Cochin, saying life is not good out there.
But when he got transferred to Vizag, he took her along with him. I think Cochin have become very spoilt. Time to clean up the mess and maintain the discipline.

So it is apparent even in the navy - there is confirmation that unsavory practice is occurring.
 
You show me instances of wife swapping and I will be happy to accept.

Anyways, let's not turn this into a comparing thread...let's get back on topic.



So we are going from wife-swapping to naval base attacks?

As I said, let's not turn this into a comparison thread.

That is because I fail to understand how this allegation equates as an indictment of the Indian Navy. The comparison was a deliberate ploy to point out that the Indian Navy reigns supreme where it matters, protecting the nation. That's all.
 
hmmm i have proof



"Two years back, officers of the 8 Division and 15 Division at Sialkot under 30 Corps were found running a wife-swapping ring, events of which were filmed. CDs of these films were then doing the circuit."
 
That is because I fail to understand how this allegation equates as an indictment of the Indian Navy. The comparison was a deliberate ploy to point out that the Indian Navy reigns supreme where it matters, protecting the nation. That's all.


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in the face of Taliban challenges in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) has much to do with the command authority of its officer cadre. But judging from recent events and the perception of the integrity of the officer cadre, especially at senior levels, the Pakistan Army fails to encourage confidence in its abilities to effectively combat the Taliban.

The consistently unstable political scenario in Pakistan has led to a perceived need among senior army officers to plan a financial exit strategy in case they fall out of favor due to the typical unpredictability of power equations in Pakistan. As a result, senior officers are busy planning on making their pile, garnering assets and going into business for themselves.

The dominance of the military in public affairs has also enabled these senior officers to dip their hands in the till with barely any accountability. Examples of this are the Corps Commanders in Lahore and Karachi being Chairmen of the respective Defense Housing Authorities. President Musharraf too promoted many officers to three-star rank, but with barely any brief. This has allowed them to display their rank and help themselves. The US, UK, Dubai and now increasingly Canada have become favored destinations for generals to retire to with their wealth. During the time of the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, many senior officers of the army and the ISI cashed in on the drug trade and diverted money from the aid given by the US.

All of this has led to the senior leadership of the army ignoring operational matters, having become effete, ineffective and even unprofessional, leading to poor supervision of army units.

In Pakistan, the army is seen to be the only place where one can get ahead, without being a member of a feudal, political, business or even army family. Naturally, this results in the recruitment of officers who are motivated by the power, influence and money-making opportunities that the army offers. Significantly, neither the children of Zia-ul-Haq nor Pervez Musharraf joined the army. Integrity issues became an especially acute problem under the Musharraf dispensation, which allowed senior officers a virtual free hand without question to divert funds to themselves. But General Kayani’s leadership is seen to be little better.

There are also divisions in the Pakistan Army. First, there is the religious-liberal divide. Under General’s Zia’s rule, the recruitment of radically indoctrinated Islamists was encouraged into the officer cadre. It is only recently that every colonel’s ACR (Annual Confidential Report) now has a section indicating whether the officer is radicalized. This process is now being followed to identify religiously-radicalized officers, weed them out and prevent their promotion to the rank of Brigadier.

Another divide in the army is ethnic. The Punjabi-officer dominated Pakistan Army has faced desertions and mutiny recently in the frontier regions. Troops of three brigades in Parachinar, Kohat and Turbat (Two in NWFP and one in Balochistan) mutinied resulting in the killing of seven army personnel. The mutineers were reportedly refusing to follow orders directing them on patrol with some later taken into custody. These mutinies are a result of the mixed religious-liberal and Punjabi-Pathan divides in the army.

There are also other recurring incidents of impropriety. Pakistan does not have simulators for its pilots in the Combat Aviation Group. Consequently, the pilots are sent to Germany and the US (Austin, Texas) for training. There have been several incidents where the officers have been found drunk and consorting with prostitutes.

Two years back, officers of the 8 Division and 15 Division at Sialkot under 30 Corps were found running a wife-swapping ring, events of which were filmed. CDs of these films were then doing the circuit.

The Pakistan Army has had three main expectations from the US. Firstly, movement on Kashmir, to which the US has said it cannot force any country to conduct a dialogue. Secondly, a pro-Pakistan government in Kabul. The US has pointed out this will depend on the Afghan elections to be held in a few months. The US has also pointed out the currently pro-US character of the government in Kabul and asked the Pakistanis, “What more do you want?”

The third expectation from the US is of aid, in obscene amounts. It is no secret that the aid the US had given Pakistan since 2001 has been either diverted towards military resource building against India or into the pockets of senior Pakistan Army officers. This has resulted in lack of training and resources for the Pakistan Army to combat the Taliban. The army’s operations against the Taliban have so far been indiscriminate and resulted in a huge refugee problem, a problem the US is now trying to aid, to minimize and keep a lid on the escalating resentment of the refugees.

The army operations conducted with the use of fighter aircraft, artillery and helicopter gunships has resulted in turmoil and alienation of the people. This loss of trust of the people has led to doubts as to the larger effect of the operations on the existence of the Pakistani state.
 
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And the soure is STRAT POST news.

India's first news website on South Asian military & strategic affairs, aerospace, defense industry, technologies and equipment.

Very "authentic and reliable" source indeed. Not acceptable. Bring something new.

@nuclearpak I think guy deserves an infraction if he fails to bring a reliable source. What you say about it.
 
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And the soure is STRAT POST news.



Very authentic and reliable source. Not acceptable. Bring something new.
@nuclearpak I thin guy deserves an infraction if he fails to bring a reliable source. What you say about it.

i have given you source with Place incident and news , it's always hard to find these things . Army personal Put pressure and bury such incidents , particularity in Army ruled country like Pakistan
 
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@shuttler and other chinese members.... Whos in this pic? And is it true that majority of chinese ministers indulge in sex party?.... Am not sure who in this pic.... If u can help identifying it....
http://www.daffatruf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/China.jpg
Chinese actress Zhang Ziyi investigated over sex scandal to a Chinese Minister
Two Chinese officials hit by sex scandals
Senior Chinese official sacked over sex scandal
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@on topic.... Few Indian navy men, few indian army men and few indian airforce people are pervert.... They dont believe in karma law.... So they get killed in war.... Its simple. Perverts should be eliminated....
 
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@shuttler and other chinese members.... Whos in this pic? And is it true that majority of chinese ministers indulge in sex party?.... Am not sure who in this pic.... If u can help identifying it....
http://www.daffatruf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/China.jpg
Chinese actress Zhang Ziyi investigated over sex scandal to a Chinese Minister
Two Chinese officials hit by sex scandals
Senior Chinese official sacked over sex scandal
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@on topic.... Few Indian navy men, few indian army men and few indian airforce people are pervert.... They dont believe in karma law.... So they get killed in war.... Its simple. Perverts should be eliminated....

What you posted above is about voluntary sex, not rape.

Do you know the difference?
 
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and this is not a rape case. this is a voluntary wipe swap by some morons.

You don't think this is rape?

According to the woman, her husband had taken her to a number of naval social functions where he had forced her to have sex with his fellow officers. She alleges that some of the officers and their wives had also put pressure on her and later tried to stop her complaining to police.

The husband forced her against her will to have sex with his fellow officers.

How can you say this is not rape?
 
You don't think this is rape?



The husband forced her against her will to have sex with his fellow officers.

How can you say this is not rape?

(though it is still not proved but still believing it to be true)

so it is husband only who is guilty, right? and not the whole Indian Navy. Others were just doing wife swapping willingly. It may be morally wrong but it is grown adults private business what they do in their sexual life. So it is the husband who is at fault.

others can be just said to be morons. Similarly all the Chinese ministers indulging in the sex parties are morons. Those CCP Chinese ministers who rule over country and indulge in lavish sex parties are morons and mentally unfit for the job.
 
Similarly all the Chinese ministers indulging in the sex parties are morons. Those CCP Chinese ministers who rule over country and indulge in lavish sex parties are morons and mentally unfit for the job.

Absolutely.

But sex parties are not rape. The topic here is rape.

There is a big difference.
 
Absolutely.

But sex parties are not rape. The topic here is rape.

There is a big difference.

most of the posts here are defaming the whole Indian Navy, or Indian Armed Forces or Indians altogether. So lot of generalizations are being made which is illogical.

if someone just wants to treat it as one stupid husband forcing his wife to have sex with others in return for sexual favours from others willing wifes then you would know this is not something out of extraordinary and that you would find such nut cases in all professions of life.

but other Pak and China posters cant blame whole Navy or all Indians for that.

And when done willingly then whether sex party or asking for wife swapping, all such people are suspect and morons, just their means of getting multiple women are different.
 
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