Indian Missiles - News, Developments, Tests, and Discussions

[Robo]

Thank you for telling us, we are now building second gen of missiles, which will have more mobility and power,

India will build missiles arsenal till it will ure it can wipe of adversely county totally.

Unlike china and Pak we have not first launch policy....

 

[shchinese]

There are countless examples like the one above. Agreed India is behind China militarily and economically, but that doesn't mean India shouldn't develop its capabilities. Similarly if US were your neighbor and given their technological superiority, would China just stop defending itself? Would they stop spending on military?

1. india already has its nuke, india already has its Agni III that can carry these nuke.
2. like all other countries, india is highly unlikely to use it.

can we at least agree on these two points?

if true, then what is the point to spend more on nuke and its delivery system? for defense, india's money can be better spent on tanks or fighters.

for my Cj-10 argument, a similar land based cruise missile can be more helpful for india as it is far cheaper and can still reach Chinese population centers like Lanzhou.

now you tell me why I can't question the current development plan? because everything made in india must be right?

 

[shchinese]

Unlike china and Pak we have not first launch policy....

China is the first country in this world that announced such non first use policy, plus, we have the policy of never threat to use nuke.

read more before you troll, thanks

 

[antartica]

China is the first country in this world that announced such non first use policy, plus, we have the policy of never threat to use nuke.

read more before you troll, thanks

Every country have a right to work for making their country secure . ICBM are a guarantee and a message to other countries that they are in the range as well .

However I believe that India still has very long range ICBM ?
I think that indian army's inventory would have a few russian ICBM';s ? Just for a rainy day ?

 

[RobbieS]

1. india already has its nuke, india already has its Agni III that can carry these nuke.
2. like all other countries, india is highly unlikely to use it.

can we at least agree on these two points?

if true, then what is the point to spend more on nuke and its delivery system? for defense, india's money can be better spent on tanks or fighters.

for my Cj-10 argument, a similar land based cruise missile can be more helpful for india as it is far cheaper and can still reach Chinese population centers like Lanzhou.

Totally agreed, but from a deterrence perspective an Agni that could directly hit Chinese cities on the eastern coat would be far more effective. Can Agni III do it? I am not so sure. Hence the need for further development.

now you tell me why I can't question the current development plan? because everything made in india must be right?

It isn't and you are absolutely have the right to question it.

What I take exception to is the insinuations that you bring along to the argument. About intelligence, poverty, racism etc. They dont belong in a defense discussion and that often leads to a flame war and spoils a thread for people like me who are genuinely here for knowledge and discourse. And don't take offense as I don't blame you entirely for it. It has to stop from both sides.

 

[kashith]

China is the first country in this world that announced such non first use policy, plus, we have the policy of never threat to use nuke.

read more before you troll, thanks

Thanks shchinese..well anyways.. no one is using nukes,and I believe India and China both are inherently peace loving countries.We have too much at stake..I believe both can develop.of course China did it first and India is just catching up..Still it is not bad if we develop a minimum deterrent.. you know as they say ...never forget protection..

 

[Raje amar]

MIRV is most important while considering the ABM capabilities of china. no other Indian missile has MIRV capabilities. hence its issential for India to develop Agni - V.

 

[Robo]

China is the first country in this world that announced such non first use policy, plus, we have the policy of never threat to use nuke.

read more before you troll, thanks

Since its first nuclear weapons test on 16 October 1964, China has declared a policy of unconditional no-first-use (NFU) of nuclear weapons and provides negative security assurances (NSAs) against the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear-weapon states (NNWSs) and nuclear-weapon-free zones (NWFZs).

On 11 April 1995, in UN Security Council Resolution 984, China, along with the other four declared nuclear weapon states (United States, Russia, United Kingdom, and France), provided legally-binding positive security assurances (PSAs) to come to the aid of NNWSs in the event of a nuclear attack against them.

In addition, China signed nuclear non-targeting agreements with the USA in 1998 and with Russia in 1994, and keeps its nuclear weapons at a very low level of alert. The Chinese government has released limited information regarding the quality of its nuclear weapons, but has not released information concerning the number of weapons it possesses, its nuclear activities, nor advancements in missile programs. All of China’s bilateral nuclear cooperation with other states has been put under IAEA safeguards.

Official Chinese Statements

According to official policy on security assurances posted on China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs website:

China fully understands the request of the non-nuclear-weapon states to be given security assurances. China has undertaken unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons [B]against non-nuclear-weapon states or nuclear-weapon-free zones.[/B] China urges all nuclear-weapon states to make the same commitment and conclude a binding international legal instrument so as to enhance the security of all non-nuclear-weapon states.

Only assurance not to use against Non Nuclear weapons country but can use nuclear bomb first on nuclear countries or which it dont have treaties, like India, Isreali, Pak, France etc.

First thing you do is to learn something about your own country.....

 

[krish]

1. india already has its nuke, india already has its Agni III that can carry these nuke.
2. like all other countries, india is highly unlikely to use it.

can we at least agree on these two points?

if true, then what is the point to spend more on nuke and its delivery system? for defense, india's money can be better spent on tanks or fighters.

for my Cj-10 argument, a similar land based cruise missile can be more helpful for india as it is far cheaper and can still reach Chinese population centers like Lanzhou.

now you tell me why I can't question the current development plan? because everything made in india must be right?

i joined this fourm just yesterday but visiting this forum for almost a year and half and honestly speaking i have never had seen u talk about anything other than India bashing arjun tank and lca dude they are no longer failures cauz they are being inducted ..............

 

[Raje amar]

its said that "kutte ki punch nali may bhi dalo woh tedhi hi rehatihai"

 

[Veer]

Since its first nuclear weapons test on 16 October 1964, China has declared a policy of unconditional no-first-use (NFU) of nuclear weapons and provides negative security assurances (NSAs) against the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear-weapon states (NNWSs) and nuclear-weapon-free zones (NWFZs).

On 11 April 1995, in UN Security Council Resolution 984, China, along with the other four declared nuclear weapon states (United States, Russia, United Kingdom, and France), provided legally-binding positive security assurances (PSAs) to come to the aid of NNWSs in the event of a nuclear attack against them.

In addition, China signed nuclear non-targeting agreements with the USA in 1998 and with Russia in 1994, and keeps its nuclear weapons at a very low level of alert. The Chinese government has released limited information regarding the quality of its nuclear weapons, but has not released information concerning the number of weapons it possesses, its nuclear activities, nor advancements in missile programs. All of China’s bilateral nuclear cooperation with other states has been put under IAEA safeguards.

Official Chinese Statements

According to official policy on security assurances posted on China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs website:

China fully understands the request of the non-nuclear-weapon states to be given security assurances. China has undertaken unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons [B]against non-nuclear-weapon states or nuclear-weapon-free zones.[/B] China urges all nuclear-weapon states to make the same commitment and conclude a binding international legal instrument so as to enhance the security of all non-nuclear-weapon states.

Only assurance not to use against Non Nuclear weapons country but can use nuclear bomb first on nuclear countries or which it dont have treaties, like India, Isreali, Pak, France etc.

First thing you do is to learn something about your own country.....

We should have credible second strike capacities through ICBMs, cruise missiles, built and deploy them under different mountain tunnels.

 

[gambit]

Correct if I'm wrong. Can these type of BVR missile do twist and turns when its near the target or when the target takes evasive actions.

Does not matter if the missile is BVR or else. As long as the missile has sensor, guidance and control systems, it is capable of maneuvers. The first problem is the closing speed between missile and target. The second problem is what kind of guidance to giver maneuver commands to the controls. The third problem is the integration of the two previous problems into a functional weapon.

For examples...

Proportional navigation, or guidance, is among the more complex to install in any missile. The intention here is weapon autonomy. Or as popularized as 'fire and forget', except that it is often joked as forget about hitting the target. The missile's own sensor suite, whatever it might be, provide the guidance system with target location now and the more complex sensor suite will actually look ahead and calculate the multiple points into a predicted target flight path.

Command line-of-sight (CLoS) require the target to be updated by the launcher, ground or airborne. It is a simple system as far as the weapon is concerned.

Laser Guided Bombs - Smart Weapons

The guidance canards are attached to each quadrant of the control unit to change the flightpath of the weapon. The canard deflections are always full scale (referred to as "bang, bang" guidance).

Bang-bang guidance is when the missile is so near the target that in the event the target attempt to maneuver, any maneuver by the missile has to be immediate and its flight control change rate must be full scale. In other words, if the flight control system is finned to exploit aerodynamics, then fin deflections must be to its max travel at its max rate. If the FLCS is reactor thrust, meaning if there are small rocket ports on the sides to steer the missile, then the thrusts must be full and immediate. Anything less than full fin deflection or thrust and the missile will miss.

There are many more derivatives of these three major guidance-control systems and algorithms. There are engineers who spent their entire careers doing nothing but -- then they retire to the Florida Keys on their paid-off houseboats and wasting away in Margarittaville. The integration of the many guidance-control mechanisms, physical or mathematical, and their sophistication make the weapon either exceptional or just plain junk. Miniaturization of electronics is crucial for obvious reasons.

For the AMRAAM launched from an F-22 -- the missile's initial flight will be under CLoS and the F-22's AESA will be in LPI mode so the victim will not be alerted to scans. It will be continuously updated by the LPI's echoes as its own sensor is silent. Sometime into the flight, and I am not going to say when, the missile will turn on its own sensor and will switch to PN guidance.

At this point, we can have the missile either on its own, or something like this...

By this time the victim will be fully aware of its endangered status so the F-22 might as well turn on its full transmission power. Does not have to, the F-22 pilot could just decide to help. The missile now has TWO distinct sets of target echoes to correlate, one set from the F-22 and one set from its own radar, greatly increasing the odds of success. Then when the victim maneuvers, bang-bang guidance takes over the missile's FLCS. The transitions between guidance modes must be %99.999 perfect. The missile have finite fuel. Any maneuver it must perform will cost it fuel and time and inevitably increases the odds of a miss. In the even of a miss, bang-bang guidance could be used to quickly reorient the missile to the last known target location, then PN guidance resume to try to reacquire the target again. Sensor fusion will have the missile receive multiple target update from many sources, be it from AWACS or from other fighters radar scanning the same victim.

I believe our missiles are the best and the readers can just dismiss my opinion. This is just to give interested readers BASIC background information to the extremely complex discipline of missile guidance and controls. Most of these algorithms are top secret that carry heavy prison time, not just US but anyone else capable of producing these weapons. Of course, just because they are 'top secret' does not mean they are all equal in sophistication.

 

[RPK]

Akash to secure our skies- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos


After a decade and more of strenghtening the country's defences, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has accepted the Akash missile as part of its arsenal to counter Chinese air threat in the North East region.

The Akash missile system will help protect strategic targets in the North East, whether they are airfields, important bridges on the Brahmaputra, Railway Junctions, Power projects cities in the region like Guwahati.

The Air Force has already cleared the project and the defence acquisition council chaired by defence minister A K Antony is expected to clear it on the 28th of January after which four squadrons of Akash will be ordered to add to the two squadrons ordered on a trial basis earlier.

Some of the strategic installations in the North East region that the Akash missile system will help protect from Chinese threat:

- First is the Tezpur airfield where the Sukhoi 30 Aircrafts are stationed.

- The Chabua airfield is another important installation.

- Jorhat airfield and Mohanbari airfield will also be protected from enemy fire.

- Air fields apart other installations like BARC and other power plants will be protected

- A number of cities in the North East region.

Akash's specifications:

Operational range : 25-30 km
Length: 5.78 metres
Flight ceiling: 18,000 meters
Speed: 2.8 to 3.5 Mach
Launch weight: 720 kg

 

[hindustan]

31 Jan 2010: In a significant step forward for India’s missile development program, DRDO is in the process of testing the indigenously developed 3,500-km-range Agni-III ballistic missile in February-March.

This is the fourth time India is testing the 3,500-km Agni-III missile. The first test of the missile was conducted on July 9, 2006 from Wheeler island off the coast of the eastern state of Orissa. . Agni-III was again tested on April 12, 2007, this time successfully, from the Wheeler Island off the coast of Orissa. On May 7, 2008 India again successfully test fired this missile. The Agni-III missile is expected to be fully operational by 2012-2013.

The test results are vital for validating the missile's operational readiness while extending the reach of India's nuclear deterrent to most high-value targets of the nation's most likely adversaries. The missile, with its range, is expected to bolster India’s credible deterrence capability against China as most of the major Chinese cities, including Beijing and Shanghai fall under its ambit.

A top DRDO official told that the missile’s Circular Error Probable (CEP) is within 40 meters range, which makes it one of the most sophisticated and accurate ballistic missiles of its range class in the world. Work on the Upgraded version of Agni-III missile known as Agni-V has commenced. The missile is expected to have a range of 5,000-6,000 km. It is a three stage solid fuelled missile with composite motor casing in the third stage. Two stages of this missile will be made of composite material. Agni-V will be able to carry multiple warheads and will have countermeasures against Anti-ballistic missile systems.

India has a very ambitious missile development program. Over the years India has tried to develop numerous new missiles to bolster its attack and retaliatory capabilities. In 2009, the 700km-range nuclear-capable submarine- launched ballistic missile (SLBM) Samaria was tested.

Other indigenously built missiles to be tested by India in 2009 year are the 350km-range Prithvi and Russia-India developed supersonic missile Brahmos. These missiles are being developed under the aggressive Integrated Guided Missiles Program (IGMP) launched in 1983 by India to develop futuristic missiles technology based on hypersonic rockets to provide a potent weapon to the armed forces in order to enhance national security.

 

[hindustan]

01 Feb reports that the maiden flight of India-Israel jointly developed Barak-2 long range surface-to-air missile (LR-SAM) is scheduled to take place in August this year. For full news. The Barak-2 LR-SAM is being developed jointly by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) under a Rs2,600 crore contract.

The Barak-2 version will have a longer range between 120-350Km in comparison to the Barak MR-SAM, which has a range of 60 km vertically. The new LR-SAM is being developed to replace the aging Pechora (SA-3 GOA) missiles currently in service with the Indian Air Force.

Military cooperation between the two nations post Kargil war has been on a high. The Indian Government has earmarked a total funding of about Rs10,000 crore (about US$2.2 billion) for the medium range surface-to-air missiles (MR-SAM) project. The program will include the deployment of up to nine air defence squadrons. The MR-SAM development will be conducted under the bilateral agreement signed between the two countries, which will guide the scope of collaboration formulating between DRDO and IAI defined in a memorandum of agreement signed in New Delhi, June 2007.

India has also signed a US$1.1 billion deal for buying the state- manufactured state-of-the-art Barak 8 missile system. New Delhi is expected to receive the upgraded Barak missile system costing US$20-25 million if experts in India are to be believed, over the next six to eight years. The Barak-8 missile system is designed for use aboard ships and can shoot down incoming missiles, planes and drones, with the most advanced version capable of being deployed on land.