Indian military targets school van 10 kids injured,1 dead

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Nope, it was issued by a random RTI clerk,
This is the real figure released by the government itself:
http://m.greaterkashmir.com/news/221726-story.html

this figure was given in june when indian army was regularly lying to you.
the 4675 figure was given in november when court forced your government to spill out the truth.
Calling it a clerk figures mean your army even lied to your own courts.

 

[Windjammer]

Dozens of Indian sources reporting the casualty figures.


Ceasefire Violations Along LoC Have Claimed The Lives Of Over 4,500 Soldiers Since 2001, An RTI Reveals
KUNAL ANAND
NOVEMBER 07, 2016


http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...oldiers-since-2001-an-rti-reveals-265046.html
KUNAL ANAND
NOVEMBER 07, 2016

 

[Photon]

Try harder to prove your point.
Kargil was an open conflict so no one can deny casualties, however 450 casualties in a full conflict is still a lot less than losing around a thousand soldiers while remaining paralysed on the border.

Isn't that astounding despite Kargil being an open conflict, Pakistani army not only denied any casualties to its soldiers, it also refused to recognize them as Pakistani soldiers themselves.

That is the level Pakistani army operates at.

A thousands soldier is still less than 4000 Pakistani soldiers, your prime minister claims were killed in Kargil, which offcourse Pakistani army again denies.

 

[saiyan0321]

The most pathetic posts by Indians here who quite frankly shouldn't even be showing their faces if they had any shame left in them. Attacking children and civilian buses has to be an extreme low point and those that are calling it a flase flag. Well they are indeed the gutter dregs of this world who have no shame, no remorse and no honor.

This is the second time such an attack has happened which means they don't care as long as they hit something.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Well first of all its not a child game going on...ok..its like a undeclared war between two countries..casualities are common for both sides..better be prepared and stop this crying..
And better calculate all the positives and negetives before starting a fight with someone..

then why do you cry over negatives like missing heads.
and you have signed Geneva convention which means you are bound not to kill civilians or target civilian areas. you are not men enough to keep your words.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

What kind of coward dogs are they... Targeting children is the most pathetic thing your enemy can do.

They are learning from Israel about fear tactics and to create havoc in enemy lines. i.e Hit civilian bus and then hit ambulance, keep continuing firing full day at same place,same thing they did it with school van, but this time we gave befitted reply and we stopped them to attack further on ambulance and other rescue teams.

 

[HttpError]

Since 29th September atleast 27 Pakistan Army soldiers and 45 Pakistani civilians killed by Indian Army assaults along LoC according to Pakistan's own data.
Additionally 66 Pakistani soldiers were injured along with 139 Pakistani civilians in this assaults.

Compared to this, only 14 Indian soldiers and 12 civilians killed in Pakistani firing.

This data shows that Pakistan Army is simply unable to match our firepower.

Obviously how can we fight with super army of Hanuman, This Hanuman army is invisible to their enemies so the casualties are only 16. Kid wake up and smell the coffee! We fight with an enemy which is 4x time of our size and yet we keep you at bay now think vice versa.

 

[chandrak]

then why do you cry over negatives like missing heads.
and you have signed Geneva convention which means you are bound not to kill civilians or target civilian areas. you are not men enough to keep your words.

We dont cry ..ok ..when ever u guys declare IA unhumanetarian we post it to show that ur hands are not clean too..
Second-well treaties run on bilateral commitments..if u ll revoke one,we will revoke many..isnt it simple..

 

[Gregor Clegane]

Obviously how can we fight with super army of Hanuman, This Hanuman army is invisible to their enemies so the casualties are only 16. Kid wake up and smell the coffee! We fight with an enemy which is 4x time of our size and yet we keep you at bay now think vice versa.

Lol.
LoC is a static low intensity front, numbers don't matter.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Isn't that astounding despite Kargil being an open conflict, Pakistani army not only denied any casualties to its soldiers, it also refused to recognize them as Pakistani soldiers themselves.

That is the level Pakistani army operates at.

A thousands soldier is still less than 4000 Pakistani soldiers, your prime minister claims were killed in Kargil, which offcourse Pakistani army again denies.

few pieces of history: All on record.
16 July 1999, ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Friday reiterated its demand by calling upon India to return the bodies of Captain Karnal Sher Khan and others which are being kept by it against all norms of decency and diplomatic behavior. Billing it as "extremely regrettable and unfortunate" Foreign Office spokesman Tariq Altaf told a briefing along with Director General ISPR Brigadier Rashid Qureshi that there "is no indication when the bodies will be made available". He said the DGMOs contacted on Friday afternoon and Pakistan reiterated its demand to return the bodies of its men or even of the Mujahideen. Indian DGMO, he said, told his Pakistani counterpart that he would try but "the bodies were still with the Indians." On the identification of bodies, he said, the body of Captain Sher had been identified by Pakistan and his identification card number had been communicated to them. But Indian claim that the second body was that of Captain Imtiaz was false as Imtiaz was wounded and was recovering in a hospital in Pakistan. Pakistan was in touch with the International Committee of the Red Cross to ask India to handover the bodies to it, said the spokesman. The disengagement of Mujahideen and Indian Army in Kargil-Drass Sector will take a couple of more days, DG ISPR, Brigadier Rashid Qureshi told the briefing. The phased disengagement starting from Kaksar to Mushkoh sectors and then finally to areas opposite Drass-Batalik sectors were supposed to be completed in a few days, he said. There has been no fire along Kaksar, Mushkoh and opposite Drass-Batalik Sectors during the last 48 hours. He, however, said one captain of Pakistan Army was seriously injured during an exchange of fire in Mushkoh Sector on Wednesday and embraced martyrdom while en route to hospital. Rashid said India has been claiming to have in possession bodies of 68 Pakistani officers and soldiers. "It is ridiculous as to how come they have the bodies of 68 Pakistani soldiers while only 24 of our men are missing." The army spokesman said Indian television networks have been showing the shoulder titles, badges of ranks and division signs of alleged Pakistani soldiers. "Everyone who is a bit aware of the armies in Pakistan and India knows that the officers and soldiers deployed at such positions do not wear shoulder titles even in peace let alone at the time when Indians were firing across the LoC." He said Indians have been refusing to handover the bodies of the two soldiers which they alleged belonged to Pakistan for identification purpose. "Time and again they were asked to handover the bodies for identification but they asked for strange requirements. "We will be honored to bury these bodies in Pakistan if they belong to Mujahideen."
Rashid said India claims that it also possessed the body of Brigadier Nusrat Sial "who was killed in a helicopter crash in Skardu". He said Sial was buried in Jhang. "Have they tunneled from New Delhi to Jhang to retrieve the body."

one more incident someone told me:
In one case indians contacted to take the bodies of pakistani army officer including a brigadier. but pakistanis rejected the offer. do you know why?
they contacted the dead brigadier and offer him his own body.

We dont cry ..ok ..when ever u guys declare IA unhumanetarian we post it to show that ur hands are not clean too..
Second-well treaties run on bilateral commitments..if u ll revoke one,we will revoke many..isnt it simple..

we never revoked any treaty. it's you who is doing it and then justifying it through lies.

 

[chandrak]

Obviously how can we fight with super army of Hanuman, This Hanuman army is invisible to their enemies so the casualties are only 16. Kid wake up and smell the coffee! We fight with an enemy which is 4x time of our size and yet we keep you at bay now think vice versa.

Lol story seems like a great indian army is raiding pakistan and pakistani army by all their might stopping them...

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Isn't that astounding despite Kargil being an open conflict, Pakistani army not only denied any casualties to its soldiers, it also refused to recognize them as Pakistani soldiers themselves.

That is the level Pakistani army operates at.

A thousands soldier is still less than 4000 Pakistani soldiers, your prime minister claims were killed in Kargil, which offcourse Pakistani army again denies.

Civilian government even now in 2016 is crying that we were never told any thing about kargil. we don't know anything about kargil.
it was then situation and even now the situation is same. and indians are trusting someone blind on the issue.
pakistan cannot accept bodies of soldiers who don't exist or who were already alive and were safe on Pakistani side.

Lol story seems like a great indian army is raiding pakistan and pakistani army by all their might stopping them...

even in conventional front indian army in 2016 is not that mighty to do raids easily without getting equal response. 1:1.9 is not that big difference. you need 1:10 numerical advantage to fight an aggressive war and that too will take you atleat 1 year to capture few miles area in ideal condition i.e. your enemy is ISIS or taliban not Pakistan army.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

When Indian army claims that they have hit Pakistani posts, we hear that 'You do not have abilities to target well'. When a moving bus or van is hit then we hear claims that Indian forces are deliberately targeting civilians. So how come Indian forces are bad at targeting army but precisely target civilians at their time of choosing?

Make up your mind folks.

Also, the whole LOC war is going on now for 70 odd years. Both side should be aware of range and capabilities of the opponents. How come then Pakistan has not yet moved civilians out of the reach of Indian Army?

This has been the question from day one

If India could do it, what has stopped Pakistan?

http://www.dawn.com/news/1287094

CHAK BAKSH: A day after claiming to have carried out 'surgical strikes' in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK), India evacuated over 10,000 people living near the border with Pakistan in Indian Punjab on Friday and ordered security forces to upgrade surveillance along the frontier.

Hundreds of villages were being cleared along a 15 kilometre strip in held Kashmir. Authorities in India's northern Punjab state said they were evacuating villages within 10km of the border.

"Our top priority is to move women and children to government buildings, guest houses and marriage halls,” said Nirmal Singh, deputy chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir.

“People who have not been able to migrate were instructed not to venture out of their houses early in the morning or late in the night.”

India on Thursday allegedly carried out surgical strikes on "terror launch pads along the Line of Control (LoC)" in AJK, a claim which the Pakistani military swiftly rubbished, saying its two soldiers died in cross-border firing by Indian troops.

An Indian soldier was captured during the incident, and at least eight Indian soldiers were killed in a "befitting response" by Pakistani troops, security sources said.

The latest incident of cross-border firing comes as tensions simmer between Pakistan and India over the Kashmir issue.

Last week, India initiated a diplomatic drive to isolate Pakistan after blaming it for the Sept 18 attack on the Uri army camp in IHK which killed 18 soldiers ─ a claim which Pakistan has rejected.

Tensions between the South Asian rivals have been high since an Indian crackdown on dissent in India-held Kashmir (IHK) following the killing by Indian forces of Burhan Wani, a young separatist leader, in July.

Larger-scale evacuations were organised in Punjab state, which neighbours Kashmir, where thousands of people were being moved away from the heavily secured border.

Images from the state showed people piling bedding and cooking equipment onto trailers and cramming into crowded buses as security forces stood guard.

The Punjab government said it was setting up special camps for evacuees in the area.

Jaswant Kaur said people in his village of Chak Allah Baksh in Punjab had been told to leave their homes.

“Of course it's not a nice feeling to leave your home, crops, cattle and everything else behind,” the 55-year-old told AFP.

“Living here means we are always on the edge. We are really distressed.”

Farmer Rakesh Singh, 56, who lives in the Arnia sector of Jammu, said his family were among the first to leave home because his village was near the border. “We suffer the most,” he said.

“It is nothing new for us.”

Indian villagers from the India-Pakistan border area wait for the bus as they evacuate from the border village of Neshta, about 35 kms from Amritsar on September 29, 2016. — AFP

Indian villagers from the India-Pakistan border area carry luggage as they leave their border village near Mahawa. — AFP

Indian villagers from the India-Pakistan border area ride on a tractor as they evacuate from a border village near Dauke. — AFP

Indian villagers from the India-Pakistan border area board the bus as they evacuate from the border village of Neshta. — AFP

Indian villagers from the India-Pakistan border area ride on a tractor as they evacuate from a border village near Mahawa. — AFP

Elderly Indian villager, Teeja Kaur takes a rest on a bed at the border village Dauke. — AFP

Indian villagers from the India-Pakistan border area evacuate from a border village about 35 kms from Amritsar. — AFP

Indian villagers from the India-Pakistan border area ride on a tractor as they evacuate from a border village near Dauke. — AFP

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

They are learning from Israel about fear tactics and to create havoc in enemy lines. i.e Hit civilian bus and then hit ambulance, keep continuing firing full day at same place,same thing they did it with school van, but this time we gave befitted reply and we stopped them to attack further on ambulance and other rescue teams.

israel kills people with no army. we are not palestine.

Lol.
LoC is a static low intensity front, numbers don't matter.

and you tried to convert it into high intensity front but but but. . .
i am referring to 1987 gandhi,2001parliament,2009mumbai,pathankot, uri.

 

[Windjammer]

Isn't that astounding despite Kargil being an open conflict, Pakistani army not only denied any casualties to its soldiers, it also refused to recognize them as Pakistani soldiers themselves.

That is the level Pakistani army operates at.

A thousands soldier is still less than 4000 Pakistani soldiers, your prime minister claims were killed in Kargil, which offcourse Pakistani army again denies.

Isn't it ironic that the frivolous Indian army had cameras placed behind every rock, bolder and glacier to record every detail of bodies being handed over so folks back home could rejoice and lift their tail, but i guess no Indian soldier died in the conflict since the Pakistan army didn't indulge in the cheap mentality of recording and showing such transfers.
And you don't have to be a war historian to understand that since all the fighting took place on the Indian side hence all the casualties happened there, hell PA must have done a good job by evacuating 4000 bodies, but then it wasn't the PA which ran short of coffins....it's also ironic that the same PM who claims he wasn't made aware of Kargil operation is suddenly aware of the causality figures. In a small close knit army, it's impossible to hide any large losses like the 4500 which India now admits after a decade.