Indian Indonesian

[Indus Pakistan]

When I tell Baratis of this fact, they do not like it....

Here is another interesting fact and within it a larger question. The Indian's use this "Hindoo" civilization thing to grab our heritage in Pakistan. The argumant goes [entirely self serving] along the lines of Hindoo culture or civilization is a continuum along time and space. Pakistan is included in this [we of course are illegal tenants/settlers in our own land] and based on this they claim everything under our feet.

But here is interesting fact. The entire region east of India sometimes called Indo-China, composing Burma, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos, Bali and including Indonesia is littered with Hindoo sites and living culture. However I rarely see any effort to claim this Hindoo dharma. Cambodia for instance has fantastic Angor Wat, largest Hindoo temple in the world. However all the effort by Indian's is made toward our small plot of land on the Indus River in Pakistan. They will use a microscope to declare anything "Hindoo". On the other hand Gangadeshi's entirely or mostly ignore the huge Hindoo dharma to the east. Why 'Indus envy'? Why?

@UnitedPak @Taimur Khurram @TMA

 

[Crixus]

Hinduism is not same everywhere even in India .... In Indonesia its more influenced by Ramayana and here in India we have diff sects .....

In past we used the name Jambudweepa for India ... and still historical literature in South East and Srilanka they use the same name ....

I dont know whether they still follow the same kind of Hinduism in India. Hindu people in Bali itself comes from Majapahit people in Java who still follow Hinduism. They run away after Majapahit empire broke out. Majapahit in ancient time is a big kingdom and follow Hinduism. The other big kingdom in Indonesia is Srivijaya from Sumatra who follow Buddhism from the 8th to the 12th century. Srivijaya was the first unified kingdom to dominate much of Malay Archipelago.

 

[Indos]

Care to find out where the Indus is?

Yeah, I know that IVC comes from Pakistan area. I just copy paste Indian Indonesian page in Wikipedia. India itself comes from the word "Indus".

 

[manlion]

I dont know whether they still follow the same kind of Hinduism in India. Hindu people in Bali itself comes from Majapahit people in Java who still follow Hinduism. They run away after Majapahit empire broke out. Majapahit in ancient time is a big kingdom and follow Hinduism. The other big kingdom in Indonesia is Srivijaya from Sumatra who follow Buddhism from the 8th to the 12th century. Srivijaya was the first unified kingdom to dominate much of Malay Archipelago

If I am not wrong, when the Majapahit empire fell - the royal court, its entourage and intelligentsia fled to Bali resulting in an explosion of cultural activities in the island. The remaining citizens fled to the mountain regions and East Jawa e.g Tengger.

"Hinduism" spread to Bali from Jawa in the 11th AD during the reign of King Airlangga

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Indonesian is peaceful because they still respect their past and follow their culture from the past.

Ask the Timorese ....

 

[manlion]

Ask the Timorese ....

or Irian Jaya, Illegally occupied by Indonesia
http://www.nasty-bali.org/west-papua.html

 

[Indos]

If I am not wrong, when the Majapahit empire fell - the royal court, its entourage and intelligentsia fled to Bali resulting in an explosion of cultural activities in the island. The remaining citizens fled to the mountain regions and East Jawa e.g Tengger.

"Hinduism" spread to Bali from Jawa in the 11th AD during the reign of King Airlangga

And some of them also fled to jungle in East Java. This temple is in the heart of the jungle in East Java (Alas Purwo National Park).

Alas Purwo National Park

Hindu Temple in Indonesia, Prambanan

Biggest Buddhist Temple in the world is in Indonesia, Borobudur

 

[manlion]

And some of them also fled to jungle in East Java. This temple is in the heart of the jungle in East Java (Alas Purwo National Park).
Alas Purwo National Park

Hindu Temple in Indonesia, Prambanan

Biggest Buddhist Temple in the world is in Indonesia, Borobudur

Many ancient "hindu" temples are being discovered in east Jawa , destroyed by earth quakes. Interestingly in Jawa Temple is candi in Bali its pura and architecturally they are different

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So Ancient India exteded to Burma, Cambodia, Malaysia and Indonesia. wow.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And some of them also fled to jungle in East Java. This temple is in the heart of the jungle in East Java (Alas Purwo National Park).

Alas Purwo National Park

Hindu Temple in Indonesia, Prambanan

Biggest Buddhist Temple in the world is in Indonesia, Borobudur

Thanks for educating us about Hindoo Dharma. We now know Hindoo realm extends covers all of Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia and Indonesia. This is all Greater Bharat.

 

[Indos]

Indonesians = orang bandung

They are genetically austroneasians with hybrid sanskritised and arabicised names made with dutch spelling and follow chinese mandopop culture.

They worship arabs and orang belandia and are economically enslaved by the orang cina

Btw, this thread is just blowing out of proportions. Indonesia was controlled by the dutch n not the british, who controlled the Subcontinent n imported convicts by the shiploads to Malaysia, brunei n Singapore

Hahas thanks.

said by a Tiny Singaporean....

 

[Indos]

Im your next door neighbour just up north. Theres even an entire chapter dedicated to 'Southeast asia section' in our secondary school textbooks.

You cant lie about the de facto history, cultural and genetic makeup of indonesia to me, buddy.

Your 1 liner namecallling proves i busted your bubble.

Haha thanks.

What bubble ? Why do you accuse me of lying of de facto history, cultural, and makeup of Indonesia ?

Where do I lie ? Which part ?

 

[ashok mourya]

In Odisha state ( ancient Kalinga) we still observe Bali Yatra every year as a Hindu festival in remembrance of our ancient trade with Bali island https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bali_Jatra

 

[prashantazazel]

Here is another interesting fact and within it a larger question. The Indian's use this "Hindoo" civilization thing to grab our heritage in Pakistan. The argumant goes [entirely self serving] along the lines of Hindoo culture or civilization is a continuum along time and space. Pakistan is included in this [we of course are illegal tenants/settlers in our own land] and based on this they claim everything under our feet.

But here is interesting fact. The entire region east of India sometimes called Indo-China, composing Burma, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Laos, Bali and including Indonesia is littered with Hindoo sites and living culture. However I rarely see any effort to claim this Hindoo dharma. Cambodia for instance has fantastic Angor Wat, largest Hindoo temple in the world. However all the effort by Indian's is made toward our small plot of land on the Indus River in Pakistan. They will use a microscope to declare anything "Hindoo". On the other hand Gangadeshi's entirely or mostly ignore the huge Hindoo dharma to the east. Why 'Indus envy'? Why?

@UnitedPak @Taimur Khurram @TMA

Your views sound like the guy 'Kaptaan'.

Here's a contrasting viewpoint. A lot of Indians see the entire Indian subcontinent as a singular entity. The cultural differences are minor. We are not going to alter our history(and name) just because you broke the union and ran away with your piece of land.
Your country is built on faith, and will last as a separate entity roughly as long as that faith is strong. The future belongs to larger countries, or unions(of smaller countries).

There would be little cause of separation once your Muslims and our Hindus cease being religious. The process is ongoing. You have finally elected the least religious leader in your history.

 

[Boss Dragun]

To the ignorant and the uneducated, they think that we are part of them. The uneducated indians and Arabs usually have this mindset. There isn't any of their culture practiced here. Religion wise, Hindu Buddhism and islam gets to get assimilated into the Indonesian culture, not the other way around.

For the indians immigrants, they get to be assimilated and adopts the local culture based on which province they lived in and also they spoke the local languages. Most immigrant races gets to be able speak locals languages. That is how it works here, when compared to any other countries where immigrants are not assimilating.

Hindu were practiced differently here and is 180 degree different than what they practiced elsewhere. In ancient times, we merged both religion of Hindu and Buddha, forming hinddu-buddist which practiced by the sriwijayas and majapahits.

The INDIGENOUS HINDU in Bali, which also adopts Animism into Hinduism looked like this.

Oh also, while not related to the topic, we do have ancient Mayan architecture in java. Nowhere else in Asia could you find something like this.