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NEW DELHI — In conflict with claims that India's 40-kilometer-range Astra Mark-1 beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) is indigenous, the Indian Air Force (IAF) says it will forever be dependent on Russia for the missile's critical technologies.

The IAF says the missile's developer, state-owned Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), simply cannot produce it fully in-house.

"The missile seeker (main part for guidance) is based on Russian R-77 radar seeker in Astra Mark-1, and the homemade seeker has not been developed," according to a senior IAF official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The seeker helps in firing the missile from beyond visual range, tracking and then locking onto the target, the IAF official explained. It also provides the capability to follow its target despite complicated maneuvers, the official added.

"Astra missile is unlikely to be fully indigenous, as critical components like active sensor and proximity fuses would have to be imported as of now," said Daljit Singh, a retired IAF air marshal and defense analyst.

However, a DRDO scientist said the "radio frequency seeker is a transfer of technology from Russia, but the other subassembly is indigenous."

"After the latest tests (Dec.11-13), Astra Mark-1 missile will get into induction stage in another six to eight months," according to the DRDO scientist.

But the IAF official said the service may not induct the Astra Mark-1 missile because it's unsure if it will even be proven in the field.

The IAF is currently pushing for a longer-range BVRAAM. "IAF has already told Ministry of Defence that it will mount only an upgraded version of Astra missiles on Light Combat Aircraft-series fighters," the IAF official noted.

DRDO has already begun work on the Mark-2 version of the Astra missile with a range of up to 100 kilometers, similar to the French Meteor BVRAAM, the DRDO scientist said.

"With China having tested a very-long-range air-to-air missile early this year and Astra Mark-2 missile remaining the main requirement of IAF, which is still in initial stages of development, India will need to import advanced BVRAAM soon," another IAF official said.

Astra Mark-1 missile is a single-stage, solid-propellant missile that is 3.57 meters long and flies at more than four times the speed of sound at Mach 4.5.

"The technology used in Astra missile is more sophisticated than indigenous Agni (ballistic medium-range nuclear-able missile), as it works on a terminal active radar seeker and an updated mid-course internal guidance system that helps the missile in locating the target," according to the DRDO scientist.

Indian fighter aircraft are currently armed with Russian, French and Israeli BVR missiles.

"Astra missile, however, is not likely to be cheaper than other fully developed BVR missiles, considering the extent of research and development funding and other development costs," defense analyst Singh added.
 
NEW DELHI — In conflict with claims that India's 40-kilometer-range Astra Mark-1 beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) is indigenous, the Indian Air Force (IAF) says it will forever be dependent on Russia for the missile's critical technologies.

The IAF says the missile's developer, state-owned Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), simply cannot produce it fully in-house.

"The missile seeker (main part for guidance) is based on Russian R-77 radar seeker in Astra Mark-1, and the homemade seeker has not been developed," according to a senior IAF official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The seeker helps in firing the missile from beyond visual range, tracking and then locking onto the target, the IAF official explained. It also provides the capability to follow its target despite complicated maneuvers, the official added.

"Astra missile is unlikely to be fully indigenous, as critical components like active sensor and proximity fuses would have to be imported as of now," said Daljit Singh, a retired IAF air marshal and defense analyst.

However, a DRDO scientist said the "radio frequency seeker is a transfer of technology from Russia, but the other subassembly is indigenous."

"After the latest tests (Dec.11-13), Astra Mark-1 missile will get into induction stage in another six to eight months," according to the DRDO scientist.

But the IAF official said the service may not induct the Astra Mark-1 missile because it's unsure if it will even be proven in the field.

The IAF is currently pushing for a longer-range BVRAAM. "IAF has already told Ministry of Defence that it will mount only an upgraded version of Astra missiles on Light Combat Aircraft-series fighters," the IAF official noted.

DRDO has already begun work on the Mark-2 version of the Astra missile with a range of up to 100 kilometers, similar to the French Meteor BVRAAM, the DRDO scientist said.

"With China having tested a very-long-range air-to-air missile early this year and Astra Mark-2 missile remaining the main requirement of IAF, which is still in initial stages of development, India will need to import advanced BVRAAM soon," another IAF official said.

Astra Mark-1 missile is a single-stage, solid-propellant missile that is 3.57 meters long and flies at more than four times the speed of sound at Mach 4.5.

"The technology used in Astra missile is more sophisticated than indigenous Agni (ballistic medium-range nuclear-able missile), as it works on a terminal active radar seeker and an updated mid-course internal guidance system that helps the missile in locating the target," according to the DRDO scientist.

Indian fighter aircraft are currently armed with Russian, French and Israeli BVR missiles.

"Astra missile, however, is not likely to be cheaper than other fully developed BVR missiles, considering the extent of research and development funding and other development costs," defense analyst Singh added.

Well, would that be the reason Indians brag more about Brahmos?
 
Yeah right, India brags about its cruise missile, because its Air to Air missile has Russian seekers.

I think India would brag about it in either way as Brahmos critical tech is also made in Russia. The difference could be that Indian AF is rejecting this missile. It's kind of hard to brag when India spend all these time, money and research on something and get rejected by its own air force and have zero export customers. At least Brahmos, which is rejected by Russia, is claimed by India as worlds best.

"Astra missile, however, is not likely to be cheaper than other fully developed BVR missiles, considering the extent of research and development funding and other development costs," defense analyst Singh


LCA and Astra is the most expensive fighter/missile platform out there. And it's rejected by Indian AF.
 
We all know this.

Its a paint job

Actually, if it's a paint job, than Indian aF would buy it. Instead, India spend money and research to come up with an even inferior missile. So it was rejected. That is why you don't hear Indian brag about being the best ever like Brahmos.
 
I think India would brag about it in either way as Brahmos critical tech is also made in Russia. The difference could be that Indian AF is rejecting this missile. It's kind of hard to brag when India spend all these time, money and research on something and get rejected by its own air force and have zero export customers. At least Brahmos, which is rejected by Russia, is claimed by India as worlds best.
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they also used to brag about Tejas alot before their own navy rejected it by saying it's not up to the mark & does not meet operational capabilities !!
 
"CATIC is known to be developing X-band and Ku-band active radar seekers, which may be intended for the PL-12. However the latest reports confirm that China has been co-operating closely with Russia's AGAT Research Institute, based in Moscow, and that AGAT is the source of the PL-12's essential active seeker. This joint development effort (perhaps with the name 'Project 129') has reportedly seen the supply of AGAT's 9B-1348 active-radar seeker (developed for the Vympel R-77, AA-12 'Adder') to China for integration with the Chinese-developed missile. Alternatively, technology from AGAT's 9B-1103M seeker family may be offered to China. Russia is also the source for the missile's inertial navigation system and datalink."

When China takes help from Agat why cant India? Can green cheerleaders call this a paint job, they probably wont.
 
they also used to brag about Tejas alot before their own navy rejected it by saying it's not up to the mark & does not meet operational capabilities !!

Indian AF also rejected LCA as well.But it's politicians over ruled them. So it's now their parade fighter.
 
Indian AF also rejected LCA as well.But it's politicians over ruled them. So it's now their parade fighter.
Air force version is already operating & MK1A is coming with AESA & better EW suits..:)
LCA navy was ruled out for weight issues due to AC operation.

Now India is seeking to local vendors for spares of jets or missiles.. Sooner or later majority of issues will also be sorted out...

Also majority Chinese weapon system whether are copied or stolen blueprint from Russia or US by govt paid hackers...
Be known with fact...
 
We all know this.

Its a paint job



Having declared Russian seeker is a paint job? Then what you call all Pakistani tanks and missiles?

Astra has a unique dual pulse and smokeless rocket motor which none of the chinese or russian missiles have. So do a fact check before talking.

Also many indigenous seeker is under development and few are for Astra... China is no where near to this.

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Indian AF also rejected LCA as well.But it's politicians over ruled them. So it's now their parade fighter.


That is happening to PLAAF for decades they wanted Israeli, and even French fighter but the commies rejected it.
 
I find it funny that a Taiwanese is bragging about weapons research and development while his own 'country' cannot survive without US's nuclear umbrella. And then we have Pakistani! Well to our green friends, please buy/beg/borrow an Aircraft carrier before even considering a naval version of your JF-17.
 

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