In the meantime, here is something to chew on.
.......with just one phone call that CNN-News18’s Investigations Editor Manoj Gupta made to a senior police official in Azad Kashmir who, under the impression he was speaking to his superior, rattled off the events of that tumultuous night and confirmed every single claim made by the Indian Army.
Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range in Azad Kashmir, is heard admitting that the surgical strikes had indeed taken place at many sectors on the early hours of September 29. During the call with Gupta, he clearly stated that the Pakistani Army was caught unawares by the Indian attack and lost 5 of its soldiers (CNN News18 has their names) and that the bodies of unknown number of terrorists were quickly removed by the Pakistani military.
CNN-News18’s Gupta called Akbar pretending to be ‘IG Mushtaq’ and sought details about the casualties of that night.
In response, Akbar paints a true picture of the areas that he personally knew were under attack that night – Samana in Bhimber, Hazira in Poonch, Dudhniyal in Neelam and Kayani in Hathian Bala – and said Pakistani Army has cordoned off all these areas immediately after the surgical strikes.
The SP also said Pakistani Army put the dead bodies in ambulances and took them away, adding that many have been buried in villages and that his cops were evaluating the coffin boxes.
Akbar also confirmed every single line that Indian Director-General of Military Operations Lt General Ranbir Singh had said in his press conference on September 30 where he announced to the world that India had carried out surgical strikes into Azad Kashmir and destroy terror launch pads.
India has not officially announced how many people it killed during the strikes, only saying it managed to neutralize a "significant" number of terrorists. However, Islamabad has pooh poohed the Indian claims of surgical strikes, and said it lost two soldiers in cross border firing by Indian troops.
"Sir, that was night...you can say roughly 3-4 hours... between 2 am and 4 or 5am... the attack continued between that time," Akbar told CNN-News18, even confirming the time of the commando raid.
"There were attacks on separate places... several places were attacked... they also met resistance," he said.
And in another revelation that could put Pakistan on a mat, Akbar also revealed that the Pakistani Army facilitates jihadi movement in forward areas and arranges for their crossing over to India.
"The Army brings them, sir... it is in their hands," he says adding that he can’t give accurate numbers because Pakistani Army protects the jihadi infrastructure from even the local authorities and police.
Surgical Strikes: Full Text of Conversation Which Exposes Pakistan's Lies
CNN-News18
First published: October 5, 2016, 7:22 PM IST |
Updated: 3 hours ago
Q. Ghulam? How are you? IG Mushtaq speaking.
A.Sir, by god’s grace I am well.
Q. What is happening there? There is a lot of heat in your area.
A. Yes sir, along the border...as of now there isn’t much happening since the morning.
Q. This surgical surgical they are talking about...
A.That you are talking about, the 29th... the surgical strikes you are talking about... in that (only) three... three of ours have died... this is what the local (army authorities) have disclosed so far...
Q. But the other side is claiming 30-40 are dead
A. Yes, they are claiming too many... they have said there was major damage in the surgical strike... it is not as bad sir...but they (India) had opened up the border that night (29th sept).
Q. Yes, but no one went up to Athmuqam?
A. No sir, no one went to Athmuqam. But in Leepa, there were two (deaths), then in Adhira there were two (deaths) as well…
Q. In your estimate, how many died?
A. Sir, overall in the surgical strike, to be on the safer side, overall there were around 12 deaths... We can say 12.
Q. In one camp?
A. No sir, overall, not in one camp sir. As such information is very little sir, area is also cordoned off. Here as well as ahead (towards LoC)
Q. This surgical strike that happened...which camps were hit?
A. Leepa and Asmani in Bhimber... these were all army posts
Q. So in the army post, they killed 12...
A. Yes, sir total 12...
Q. Where have they been buried?
A. Sir in their villages... we are evaluating coffin boxes...
Q. So there are 12 coffins...
A. Yes sir... they from different areas... a couple going to one place, a couple to another...
Q. Tell me break-up of the deaths...
A. (Can be heard tellinghis office clerk in Punjabi) Get me that list...
...it is coming sir...
Q.Ok Ghulam... All the names are on the list?
A. No sir, not all names, some are there
Q. These are from the 29th (the day of the surgical strikes)?
A. Yes sir, from the 29th... the surgical strike they are talking about...
Q. Your line is getting cut... what is your land line number?
A. I am in the basement... take the landline 92xxxx... and the code is 05822 for Muzaffarabad...
Q. Your voice is clear. Can you please read out the file?
A. Sir, he is bringing the entire file, it will have all details of 29th with names...
Q. Have you got the file?
A. Yes sir
Q. Ok, tell me
A. (Gives the list of 5 Pakistani soldiers killed and the 9 injured in the surgical strikes. CNN-News18 has the full list including names, ranks and the sector/tehsils where they were killed. But our code of standards & practices prevent us from publishing the details)
A mosque has also been damaged. It is near the post in Leepa. These are all details of the 29th... when the surgical strike happened
Q. Tell me, on that day how long did the strike continue?
A. Sir, that was night... you can say roughly 3-4 hours... between 2am and 4am or 5am... the attack continued between that time...
Q. How many people did they have?
A. There is no confirmation of that sir...
Q. So they attacked one of our posts...
A. Sir, there were attacks on separate places... several places were attacked... they also met resistance sir...
Q.So what information do we have? How many of them (Indian forces) entered?
A. Sir, there is no one who is allowed to go there and no information is also coming from there on this...even the local authorities are not saying anything...
Q. But in your estimation, more than five are dead? you were saying 12 are dead?
A. Sir, these are from different places, not at one post...
Q. But what is local intelligence saying?
A. Sir, they are saying that bodies were put in ambulances and taken away... to their homes or wherever...
Q. Did locals die? And jihadis?
A. Sir, no locals died. But there is a probability that jihadis have been killed.
Q. So how many jihadis?
A. This information we are not getting sir, from anywhere.
Q. The army hides jihadis?
A. Sir, that happens...
Q. Do you think the army is not letting information about the jihadis out?
A. Yes sir, they do that, we know. This is why the area has been cordoned off...
Q. How many (jihadis) do you think may have died?
A. Difficult to say sir...
Q. Still, in your estimation...
A. Sir, it could be... on the basis of crossing (the LoC)... from different areas... some 5-6...
Q. Every camp has 5-6?
A. Yes sir, that is the number that crosses over (the LoC)... even 4 or 3 or 2.
Q. So if they (Indian forces) attacked in 4-5 places... there could have been up to 20 killed?
A. Sir, it is difficult to say... but we can say that these were their launching ways...
Q. Whose launching ways were they?
A. These... lashkaris... (jihadis)
Q. So do you also keep the lashkaris (jihadis) with you?
A. No sir, no... this is done by them... the army
Q. Who brings them?
A. the army brings them sir... it is in their hands...
(At this point, as the conversation wound down, CNN-News18 wanted to once again confirm the name and rank of the official in his own words)
Q. Ok then... can you identify yourself?
A. I am sir, special branch...
Q. What is your full name?
A. Ghulam Akbar
Q. What is your designation?
A. SP, special branch...
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