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India wants the most advance protection system for its newly ordered 464 T-90MS Tanks
Wednesday, January 18, 2017
By: Defence News




India's future main battle tank, the T-90MS 'Tagil', which will be license manufactured in Avadi in Chennai, will not be equipped with new-generation active protection systems that destroy incoming missiles and shells before they can hit the tank.

Active protection systems have saved the lives of dozens of tank crew deployed in Israeli combat operations in Gaza and have now been deployed by the Russian Army in operations in Syria.

"The new active generation protection system is one of the most advanced in the world. For decades, tanks have depended on their armour to protect their crew from enemy shells and anti-tank guided missiles. However, the singular vulnerability of modern tanks to the latest anti-tank guided missiles in the ongoing Iraq and Syria conflicts have raised serious question marks on the ability of armour alone to prevent casualties among tank crews.

Active protection systems are meant to counter this threat. Radars fitted on tanks detect the launch of hostile missiles and tank shells, predict their incoming trajectory and launch guided ammunition that can destroy or deflect hostile projectiles upto 50 metres away from the tank. The ensuing blast destroys the enemy missile, rocket propelled grenade or shell before it can pierce the armour of the tank.

The Indian Army wants the advanced protection systems on the 464 T-90MS tanks ordered for $2 billion in November 2016, said an Indian Army official.


The MoD official said efforts were made last year to procure advanced protection systems from the overseas market, but the Russian system was rejected on technical grounds, and the second competitor from Israel would have led to a single-vendor situation. The Indian government avoids purchasing weapons and equipment on a single-vendor basis.

India already operates around 800 T-90S tanks, first delivered by Russia in 2001.

Despite the newly ordered tanks lacking active protection systems, the Indian Army is satisfied with the purchase of the upgraded T-90MS tanks from Russia.

The new batch is equipped with thermal imaging night sights to allow the tank commander to fire at enemy locations even during night battles, the Indian Army official said. The tank features an improved chassis and new modular turret which for the first time in Russian battle tank design history factored in better crew comfort and survivability.

The tanks will be license-produced at state-owned Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF), based at Avadi in south India. But Indian Army officials say in private that the state-owned factory is not able to meet the production target and is in fact meeting less than 30 percent of the target of production. Besides, the level of indigenization of the T-90 tanks being license-produced at Avadi factory is very low because the Russians are not transferring technology fully to India.


https://qz.com/885745/2017-will-bring-a-new-triangle-of-instability-and-an-uprising-of-luddites/
 
Who writes these articles?

We produced 140 T90s last year. Not even 30 pct of target?????
 
Unlike popular belief that India operates 1600+ T90 tanks. Truth is it operates almost 840 T90 while 420 T90MS will be followed in near future making total of 1250 T90 before 2025 ...

Who writes these articles?

We produced 140 T90s last year. Not even 30 pct of target?????

Yes.
 
If i am not mistaken the factory can produce 450 per year.

What is important is what was the target.

I am pretty sure it was not 450 tanks a year.

Our peak production in history was for T72 and that was 200 IIRC. So 450 regular (not wartime) capacity also sounds suspect.
 
What is important is what was the target.

I am pretty sure it was not 450 tanks a year.

Our peak production in history was for T72 and that was 200 IIRC. So 450 regular (not wartime) capacity also sounds suspect.
I am not talking about peak production , i am just saying the capacity of the factory , how much of it is achieved is up to the way they manage it .
 
India wants the most advance protection system for its newly ordered 464 T-90MS Tanks

India wants everything state of the arts.

But what about simple helmets for its army men?

The Indian Army has a shortage of close to 390,000 bullet-proof helmets.
The new government is already sitting in the office for 3 years.
Not even adequate helmets for its infantrymen?
And talking big?
Shame?

Besides, the level of indigenization of the T-90 tanks being license-produced at Avadi factory is very low because the Russians are not transferring technology fully to India.

This way India is stuck with Russia forever. Because such news has penetrated long before this article.

So what is the real meaning of "make-in-India"?
Only to fool Indians for votes?
 
So is Arjun a failed project? It sure look like it from reading this thread... if Arjun is successful, than India won't need to look else where for the tank needs. The same can be said for the Indian Texas fighter...
By that logic Chinese j20, Pakistani licence made alkhalid is also failed because if they were that good they would not need any other tanks or fighter from another country right??
 
So is Arjun a failed project? It sure look like it from reading this thread... if Arjun is successful, than India won't need to look else where for the tank needs. The same can be said for the Indian Texas fighter...

Errrrr Nop. The first block of user evaluation completed for the MK2 and the user suggestion is to reduce its weight by 1.5 ton. DRDO is developing a prototype with the said requirement.

Every country operates different type of tanks and jets depending on their operational needs. I havent come across any modern military that rely on a single type of machine.
 
India wants the most advance protection system for its newly ordered 464 T-90MS Tanks

India wants everything state of the arts.

But what about simple helmets for its army men?

The Indian Army has a shortage of close to 390,000 bullet-proof helmets.
The new government is already sitting in the office for 3 years.
Not even adequate helmets for its infantrymen?
And talking big?
Shame?



This way India is stuck with Russia forever. Because such news has penetrated long before this article.

So what is the real meaning of "make-in-India"?
Only to fool Indians for votes?

After Waiting For Decades, Army Jawans To Finally Get Their First Modern Helmet

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/exclusive-indian-army-jawans-to-finally-get-a-modern-helmet-1649923
 
By that logic Chinese j20, Pakistani licence made alkhalid is also failed because if they were that good they would not need any other tanks or fighter from another country right??

Arjun was suppose to be the primary MBT of India. But it's not able to fill that role. T-90 is the main battle tank of India. For Arjun is a successful parade tank. So it's not a total failure as it lift up the spirit of Indians.
 
This way India is stuck with Russia forever. Because such news has penetrated long before this article.

So what is the real meaning of "make-in-India"?
Only to fool Indians for votes?


Well, this is also a part of make in India. Russia has already lost the tracked artillery to the Koreans, and the BMP replacement with the FICV. The way things are going, they're going to lose the T72 replacement as well.

Ordering helmets after 3 years in office?
And want to fight two front war with China & Pakistan?
Lol


Yes, you got your answer. The IA is at fault as well. There's a demand for jackets, carbines, etc. yet they themselves prolong the process.
 

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