India village council orders rapes of two sisters

[haviZsultan]

The rights group Amnesty International has called on Indian authorities to ensure the safety of two young women after their local village council ordered them to be raped and paraded naked after their brother eloped with a married woman.

The unelected all-male village council in Baghpat, Uttar Pradesh, on July 30 ordered that a woman, 23, and her sister, 15, be raped and paraded naked with their faces blackened after their brother ran away with a woman from the village's dominant Jat caste.

The sisters and their family, from the lower Dalit caste, have since fled the village and are hiding in New Delhi.


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Earlier this month, the older sister filed a petition before India's Supreme Court seeking protection for her family so they can return to their home.

On August 18, the Supreme Court ordered Uttar Pradesh authorities to reply to the petition by September 15.

But one of their brothers told Amnesty: "After we went to the Supreme Court, the villagers are even more aggressive."

"In the panchayat [council], the Jat decision is final. They don’t listen to us. The police don’t listen to us. The police said anyone can be murdered now," he said.

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Amnesty said the sisters' father has also lodged a complaint with the National Human Rights Commission and the National Commission for Scheduled Castes, alleging harassment by the police and the dominant caste family.

It said the family were also concerned for the safely of the Jat woman who eloped with the brother.

 

[Skull and Bones]

The **** is wrong with people.

 

[Azadkashmir]

india should spend maximum budget they can on education for all and promote within education that everyone is Indian no such thing as caste and etc. give it five to ten years to see results.

 

[Indus Falcon]

These dumb village councils / panchiyats, on both sides of the border should be abolished.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Indians on other threads pretend like their country is heaven and up comes such news. These things won't get sorted untill their media gives up Pakistan obsession, acts responsibly and brings up these problems more than pigeons and camels.

 

[Menace2Society]

Vedic justice system in action.

 

[haviZsultan]

@Jazzbot, @Norwegian, @Akheilos, @pkuser2k12

This is no trolling. This thread is for logical debate and my purpose is to find a solution for this injustice system both in Pakistan and Indian controlled regions. I want to particularly study the panchayat or jirga system here as this is a similar system.

I want to discuss this. It happens in Pakistan. But the thing is in Pakistan there is also talk of strengthening the village councils and one of the parties that have promoted this is the PTI. Now the benefits of the village council are that elders will be more capable of discovering the problems, while there is better governance of the village, solutions for problems thought over rationally. It is useful, especially if money trickles down to the elders rather than being stolen by opportunistic and corrupt people and outsiders who have no interest in the development of the area. Imran Khan has often suggested this and it is in the PTI manifesto. The decisions however are quicker than dragging cases into court. This is one reason I say the system should not be dissolved but improved. @Indus Falcon, I added this for you. Check the post and see if you still believe jirgas and panchayats should be finished off rather that augmented and improved. Thanks

But the system has its flaw. This article reveals that fundamental flaw. How do we decide who has the right to be a tribal elder. What makes him qualify to lead a village and what ensures he does not support the Taliban, crime or other forms of militancy and is exploiting the people of his village. Does he have knowledge of local industry like farming and craftsmanship. If he doesn't he shouldn't be a village elder.

Another thing-as shown in the article he can sell of girls in jirgas, make decisions of parading people naked, all against standard human right laws. He can also use his elevated stature to get rid of enemies. This has often led to feuds between tribes, clans and villages.

To deal with this problem I propose that an academy be build from where elders are trained. The elders should be schooled in how it is best to manage a village and what is expected of him. They must also be taught basic human rights. Then they can go back and help the villages without these kinds of news coming daily. Another thing that could be done is that each village elects or votes for the person who goes to this academy to learn and he comes back to help the local much better.

Also note that village council, jirga and panchayat are effectively the same thing.

@Irfan Baloch, @DESERT FIGHTER I would like your opinion too. There has been a blood feud between lashari clans recently which resulted in the death of a few lasharis one of them an FC man. Another famous case was the Zehri live burial of Baloch girls. In Balochistan and Pashtunkhwa this kind of system is used to effectively resolve disputes-its not as bad as I am presenting it but it is still a problem. I remember a case when a soldier and a woman in Bajaur were punished by death in a jirga for falling in love. These are the kinds of things happen when unelected and illiterate people start running villages.

These dumb village councils / panchiyats, on both sides of the border should be abolished.

Check my post number 7. See if you have any feedback. Thanks mate.

 

[OTTOMAN]

The **** is wrong with people.

They are Indians

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

I thought the threads/posts on Indian rape epidemics are banned and are deleted ASAP on the PDF.

The DNA would probably indicate that the Dalits and the Jats share the same Haplogroups indicating common ancestor thousands of years ago.

 

[untitled]

This feudal justice system needs to go

 

[Icewolf]

This village should be JDAM'd,

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Jazzbot, @Norwegian, @Akheilos, @pkuser2k12

This is no trolling. This thread is for logical debate and my purpose is to find a solution for this injustice system both in Pakistan and Indian controlled regions. I want to particularly study the panchayat or jirga system here as this is a similar system.

I want to discuss this. It happens in Pakistan. But the thing is in Pakistan there is also talk of strengthening the village councils and one of the parties that have promoted this is the PTI. Now the benefits of the village council are that elders will be more capable of discovering the problems, while there is better governance of the village, solutions for problems thought over rationally. It is useful, especially if money trickles down to the elders rather than being stolen by opportunistic and corrupt people and outsiders who have no interest in the development of the area. Imran Khan has often suggested this and it is in the PTI manifesto. The decisions however are quicker than dragging cases into court. This is one reason I say the system should not be dissolved but improved. @Indus Falcon, I added this for you. Check the post and see if you still believe jirgas and panchayats should be finished off rather that augmented and improved. Thanks

But the system has its flaw. This article reveals that fundamental flaw. How do we decide who has the right to be a tribal elder. What makes him qualify to lead a village and what ensures he does not support the Taliban, crime or other forms of militancy and is exploiting the people of his village. Does he have knowledge of local industry like farming and craftsmanship. If he doesn't he shouldn't be a village elder.

Another thing-as shown in the article he can sell of girls in jirgas, make decisions of parading people naked, all against standard human right laws. He can also use his elevated stature to get rid of enemies. This has often led to feuds between tribes, clans and villages.

To deal with this problem I propose that an academy be build from where elders are trained. The elders should be schooled in how it is best to manage a village and what is expected of him. They must also be taught basic human rights. Then they can go back and help the villages without these kinds of news coming daily. Another thing that could be done is that each village elects or votes for the person who goes to this academy to learn and he comes back to help the local much better.

Also note that village council, jirga and panchayat are effectively the same thing.

@Irfan Baloch, @DESERT FIGHTER I would like your opinion too. There has been a blood feud between lashari clans recently which resulted in the death of a few lasharis one of them an FC man. Another famous case was the Zehri live burial of Baloch girls. In Balochistan and Pashtunkhwa this kind of system is used to effectively resolve disputes-its not as bad as I am presenting it but it is still a problem. I remember a case when a soldier and a woman in Bajaur were punished by death in a jirga for falling in love. These are the kinds of things happen when unelected and illiterate people start running villages.


Check my post number 7. See if you have any feedback. Thanks mate.

The region and world in general is fuked up....

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I thought the threads/posts on Indian rape epidemics are banned and deletes ASAP on the PDF.

Why? These stories from India make the global news headlines, people across the world are talking about it, all the major countries have issued "travel advisories" warning their women against traveling to India, etc.

This epidemic is a global story, and people need to know for the safety of their female family members.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Why? These stories from India make the global news headlines, people across the world are talking about it, all the major countries have issued "travel advisories" warning their women against traveling to India, etc.This epidemic is a global story, and people need to know for the safety of their female family members.

My threads on the same subjects were deleted with a warning that these are banned on PDF.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

My threads on the same subjects were deleted with a warning that these are banned on PDF.

Only if they are obviously troll threads. And this is not a troll thread.