India To Train Vietnamese Sailors, Beijing Disturbed

[ice bomb]

Indian sub operations capabilities are much above the Chinese. So its only fair that they leave China and partner India.

Son, one of your subs just recently got blowed up. That is how "good" you are. A nation who couldnt even save their own sailors. I dont recall ny chinese sub accident in the past decade.

 

[timetravel]

Son, one of your subs just recently got blowed up. That is how "good" you are. A nation who couldnt even save their own sailors. I dont recall ny chinese sub accident in the past decade.

Sub accidents happened to US and Russia also. So?

 

[bloo]

They ignore China for political reasons. China is always mentioned in the top 5 and most times number 3 in terms of submarine forces are concerned.

Indian military is about as battle proven as China is. IF you are going to go that route, then they also didn't train with Russia, the maker of the Kilo subs, is India better than Russia then….

As to Vikrant, I didn't bring carriers into this, but a Indian members did. But even if we do mention it. It's still only 40,000 tons and no Catapult. Ours will be at least 80,000+. Even our floating casino is bigger than that.

I'm sorry you didn't hear properly they "cancelled" their ongoing pact to let IAF train them.

Ok what major battle has China got into post 1950s that deems PLAN "battle proven"?

In this side of the equator we probably are the best unless why won't they go to the Russians.

Last I heard the PLAN future carriers will be around 60000 tns unless of course you can provide a link. And as I said you still didn't see the Vikrant-class aircraft carriers INS Vishal 65000tns, EMALS and nuclear powered.

And size isn't everything if you know what I mean.
Only recently did a Russian expert say that the Vikramaditya is better than Liaoning

 

[kbd-raaf]

Son, one of your subs just recently got blowed up. That is how "good" you are. A nation who couldnt even save their own sailors. I dont recall ny chinese sub accident in the past decade.

Eherm

Chinese submarine 361 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mr cool]

India taken first step by vietnam
second philips
third and finally TAIWAN
GO INDIA GO

 

[MohitV]

India taken first step by vietnam
second philips
third and finally TAIWAN
GO INDIA GO

india is also training indonesian pilots

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

IF they are trained by Americans maybe, Russians, sure.

But Indians? Since when has India been the master at sea? With 14 Subs you have less than just one of our fleet's subs.

So is this Vietnam's quest to be below average?

Worried, yea right.

Indian navy inherits the tradition of the royal navy,the finest in the world.Besides this we have experience of conducting large scale active naval operations in 1971 which were very successful.
China's naval tradition is losing to japanese puny navay or torpedo boats with steel battleships and the largest fleet in asia.You guys lost so miserably that the admirality board in beijing was abolished.
As for ur fleets subs,bulk of them were obsolete until recently.And still contain some obsolete vessels.
Also u hardly take part in any naval exercises,and ur comissar officer system to is a failed fossil,taht undermines the principle of unity of command.

 

[Echo_419]

That is some sound argument right there, you are making India look bad, not that I mind, but other members may not care for it.

Let me make one
Above source clearly states that we have been operating Kilo class since 1986

Now 27 years if Experince is good don't you think

 

[OrionHunter]

IF they are trained by Americans maybe, Russians, sure.

But Indians? Since when has India been the master at sea? With 14 Subs you have less than just one of our fleet's subs.

So is this Vietnam's quest to be below average?

Worried, yea right.

Getting not only pissed off but apprehensive too, what?

Yeah, you guys better be worried.

The PLAN has no clue whatsoever about submarine warfare seeing that they've never operated subs in any war scenario before.

And it's not just the number that counts. It's the men behind the machine. And I don't see any in the PLAN!

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Son, one of your subs just recently got blowed up. That is how "good" you are. A nation who couldnt even save their own sailors. I dont recall ny chinese sub accident in the past decade.

Your memory is short and failing.
So just to jog it a bit:

Chinese submarine 361


Career (China)
Name:
No. 361
Fate:
Lost 16 April 2003
General characteristics
Class & type:
Ming-class submarine
Displacement:
1,584 tonnes (1,559 long tons) surfaced
2,113 tonnes (2,080 long tons) submerged
Length:
76 m (249 ft 4 in)
Beam:
7.6 m (24 ft 11 in)
Draft:
5.1 m (16 ft 9 in)
Propulsion:
2 × Shaanxi 6E 390 ZC1 diesels rated at 5,200 hp (3.82 MW)
2 × Xiangtan alternators
2 shafts
Speed:
15 knots (28 km/h) surfaced
18 knots (33 km/h) submerged
Complement:
55 (9 officers)
Armament:
6 × bow torpedo tubes
2 × stern torpedo tubes
The submarine hull number No. 361 with name Great Wall # 61 (长城61号) is a ChinesePeople's Liberation Army Navy Type-035AIP (ES5E variant) (NATO reporting name Ming III) conventional diesel/electric submarine. It was reported to have suffered an accident killing all on board in 2003 while at the Bo Hai Sea between North Korea and eastern Shandong Province of China.
No. 361 was part of the 12th Brigade of the North Sea (Bo Hei) Fleet of the PLAN based at Lu Shun (formerly Port Arthur) in the Liao Ning Province.
The loss of the crew of submarine No. 361 is the worst declared peacetime military disaster in the history of the People's Republic of China.
Ming class
The Ming class of Chinese submarines are an adaptation of the diesel/electric Romeo class submarine built in the Soviet Union, which are based on the German Type XXI submarine of World War II.
The Central Military Commission ordered the building of the Ming class submarines in 1967 as Project 035. The construction of the first began during October, 1969 at Wuhan Shipyard. The last boat was built in 2002. A total of 20 boats were built, of which 17 are left, and most serve in the North Sea Fleet. No. 361 serving the East Sea Fleet was the thirteenth and was built in 1995 making it one of the newest in the fleet.
CNN reports that China is increasing training and exercises of its submarines in the east to carry out a policy of "sea denial" to try counter the powerful U.S. Pacific fleet [1]. The location of the incident (see below), the Bo Hei Sea is very strategic for China. It is the closest sea outlet to Beijing, and one of the busiest sea routes in the world.
Incident
According to the official Chinese news agency, Xinhua, the submarine was taking part in exercises east of Neichangshan islands in the Bo Hai Sea (渤海) of Northeastern China. [2]. The captain of the boat was (Naval) Senior Colonel (equivalent of a commodore) Cheng Fuming (程福明). Among the 70-member crew, 13 of them were not part of the original crew, but instead, trainees and cadres from the naval academy.
On April 16, 2003, all 70 crew members of the submarine were killed when the diesel engine failed to shut down when the boat submerged and used up all the oxygen in the boat.
According to Xinhua on May 2, 2003, the crippled boat was discovered by Chinese fishermen on April 25, 2003, when they noticed the periscope sticking out. The submarine was then towed initially to Yulin on Hainan Island, and later towed back to the northeast seaport of Dalian. The submarine was drifting for ten days because it was on a silent, no-contact drill.

 

[SrNair]

Sub accidents happened to US and Russia also. So?

It also happen to china too

 

[ice bomb]

Your memory is short and failing.
So just to jog it a bit:

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And your reading skills are short and failing.

I said :
Son, one of your subs just recently got blowed up. That is how "good" you are. A nation who couldnt even save their own sailors. I dont recall ny chinese sub accident in the past decade.

2003-2013= 10 years.
That means no accident in the past 10 years. Your subs blowed up this year. Do the math.

 

[KRAIT]

Part and parcel of the geo-strategic games.

China giving submarines to Bangladesh is worry for India too.

Its just normal to show discontent of such maneuvers especially for public consumption.

Chinese and Indians may already have counter strategy for their move against each other.

Just like game of Chess between two grandmasters. They think way ahead the move they make.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Part and parcel of the geo-strategic games.

China giving submarines to Bangladesh is worry for India too.

Its just normal to show discontent of such maneuvers especially for public consumption.

Chinese and Indians may already have counter strategy for their move against each other.

Just like game of Chess between two grandmasters. They think way ahead the move they make.

China already broken the red line for India, by given nukes to PAK, now Its india which started to move make them uneasy,

A) One is India , deployed its oil finding rigs in SCS which china claims and India is with Viets .
B) India will tranfer Hypersonic missile to Viets because that will fully India made.

 

[timetravel]

And your reading skills are short and failing.

I said :
Son, one of your subs just recently got blowed up. That is how "good" you are. A nation who couldnt even save their own sailors. I dont recall ny chinese sub accident in the past decade.

2003-2013= 10 years.
That means no accident in the past 10 years. Your subs blowed up this year. Do the math.

2003-2013 India had no sub accident..

do your Math.

India was better then you from 2003-2013 onward.

so we have a lead of 1 decade at least over you.