India should take the responsibility of unrest in South Asia

[HAIDER]

Just a very simple argument. Today mistrust started from three reasons.
1. Bangladesh meddling. State sponsored terrorism and backing the Bangladeshi rebel groups.

2. Occupy Siachin Glacier, root cause of Kargil war.

3. Kashmir and Water.

Few important issues people should know, Why Afghanistan and India are very friendly to help the flood victim.
First reason is River Kabul. When flooded rivers of Afghanistan drained toward Pakistan. Plus Indian are already building dam in Afghanistan. So, dry Pakistan. When overflow Pakistani people will pay the price.
Second, all major rivers originates from Kashmir and has natural flow toward Pakistan. India built " unatural dams". (Example of recent destruction in Skardu and surrounding, when flood water first day destruction was, annihilation of 60 villages and loss of 13 people) Technically when the water overflows from these dams, it adopt the natural path, which ends up in Pakistan. Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood. So, Pakistan receive the water destruction and Indian farmers and their land is always safe.
Not yet touch the issue of 18 consulates of Indian along Pak border. Where no trade and no visa. 18 consulates mean issuing atleast 2000 visa to afghans.
Let put aside Kashmir issue, its already has separate section. Also put aside Baluchistan meddling.
The above three issues are proven one.

P.S, If these issues were not their, then any democratic govt of Pakistan would have reason to cut down defence budget and put foot in the mouth to those organization who been form in the name of Kashmir unrest.

 

[desiman]

LOL omg second thread today, looks like the anti-India mongers are having a field day today LOL please stop all this, your just making yourself look stupid here. You have more than enough problems in your country to go around finger pointing at others. Please keep your SIMPLE ARGUMENTS to yourself.

Cheers

 

[Peshwa]

Just a very simple argument. Today mistrust started from three reasons.
1. Bangladesh meddling. State sponsored terrorism and backing the Bangladeshi rebel groups.

2. Occupy Siachin Glacier, root cause of Kargil war.

3. Kashmir and Water.

Few important issues people should know, Why Afghanistan and India are very friendly to help the flood victim.
First reason is River Kabul. When flooded rivers of Afghanistan drained toward Pakistan. Plus Indian are already building dam in Afghanistan. So, dry Pakistan. When overflow Pakistani people will pay the price.
Second, all major rivers originates from Kashmir and has natural flow toward Pakistan. India built " unatural dams". (Example of recent destruction in Skardu and surrounding, when flood water first day destruction was, annihilation of 60 villages and loss of 13 people) Technically when the water overflows from these dams, it adopt the natural path, which ends up in Pakistan. Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood. So, Pakistan receive the water destruction and Indian farmers and their land is always safe.
Not yet touch the issue of 18 consulates of Indian along Pak border. Where no trade and no visa. 18 consulates mean issuing atleast 2000 visa to afghans.
Let put aside Kashmir issue, its already has separate section. Also put aside Baluchistan meddling.
The above three issues are proven one.

There is a term in Psychology for this behavior....

"Projection of Responsibility".....
Since you cannot seem to comprehend why this clusterfuck of calamities befalls your country..... you tend to project your anger at an external source to dilute your responsibility and blame others for your miseries instead of finding ways to curb the damage.....

Nevertheless....we see a lot of individuals do this.....The saner lot in Pakistan will pull the country through this....

Unfortunately you're not one of them....

 

[Dash]

Just a very simple argument. Today mistrust started from three reasons.
1. Bangladesh meddling. State sponsored terrorism and backing the Bangladeshi rebel groups.

2. Occupy Siachin Glacier, root cause of Kargil war.

3. Kashmir and Water.

Few important issues people should know, Why Afghanistan and India are very friendly to help the flood victim.
First reason is River Kabul. When flooded rivers of Afghanistan drained toward Pakistan. Plus Indian are already building dam in Afghanistan. So, dry Pakistan. When overflow Pakistani people will pay the price.
Second, all major rivers originates from Kashmir and has natural flow toward Pakistan. India built " unatural dams". (Example of recent destruction in Skardu and surrounding, when flood water first day destruction was, annihilation of 60 villages and loss of 13 people) Technically when the water overflows from these dams, it adopt the natural path, which ends up in Pakistan. Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood. So, Pakistan receive the water destruction and Indian farmers and their land is always safe.
Not yet touch the issue of 18 consulates of Indian along Pak border. Where no trade and no visa. 18 consulates mean issuing atleast 2000 visa to afghans.
Let put aside Kashmir issue, its already has separate section. Also put aside Baluchistan meddling.
The above three issues are proven one.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about....anyway, good going..!!

 

[HAIDER]

^^we are talking about reason of mistrust and coming generation will and are paying the price. India build the foundation huge trust deficit. Which can only be fulfilled by India. Enough ?..or need more.

Please don't post pics (don't treat this forum like Bharat-rikshaw), if would be worth while if you show your ability of counter argument.

 

[Ruag]

So, here is a small incomplete list of what has happened in the past few years --

1) India, the largest regional aid donor to Afghanistan.

India-Afghanistan Relations - Council on Foreign Relations

2) India, the first country to send aid to Myanmar after Cyclone Nargis killed thousands of people

Indian ships first to arrive with relief supplies in Myanmar

3) India, a country which pledged $100 million to rebuild Sri Lanka after it was torn apart by the long Civil War

India earmarks $100M for Sri Lanka aid - UPI.com

4) India, a country which annually gives Nepal Rs. 32 billion in aid for schools, hospitals and roads.

India pledges Rs 32 billion aid to Nepal | Asian Tribune

and finally,

5) India, a country which offered aid to Pakistan during its most severe floods even though the latter has shown absolute disregard for India's terrorism concerns.

Pakistan accepts flood aid money from rival India - CSMonitor.com


Funny part is, most of South Asian nations (from Pakistan to Myanmar to Bangladesh to Sri Lanka) are in the Alert category of the 2010 Failed States Index and India, a bigger more vulnerable nation, is not.

It is quite understandable that citizens of these failed South Asian nations find it hard to accept the fact that their country was unable to meet with various internal threats and challenges. And therefore, we see such threads.

I learned in my Organizational Behavior class couple of years ago that those employees who tend to consider external factors responsible for the outcomes of their work are generally less successful (derived from the Locus of Control theory). I can draw parallels here.

 

[indian_reality]

Did you know Pakistan gets 80% of river waters by the water treaty? The most important thing is, down the decades through war and invasion,threats and terrorism,occupation and aggression by Pakistan, India has firmly maintained and given Pakistan its share. Does your mullahs and ISI cronies tell you that ?
NO
Am sure one day more sensible people will come to power in Pakistan, who would have development rather than bigotry in their mind. So will our country get non-myopic and less corrupt politicians.That would be a great day.

But as of now you will keep getting that 80% water.In drought or in FLOOD

commitment is commitment.period

 

[Jackdaws]

My fave line from Haider has to be, "Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood"

Are we support to stand with buckets in Pakistan and bring over the water to India in order to "take the share of flood"?

The race to grab Siachen started in 1984; Kargil happened in '99.

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

Just a very simple argument. Today mistrust started from three reasons.
1. Bangladesh meddling. State sponsored terrorism and backing the Bangladeshi rebel groups.

If you are talking about mistrust then why start with 71..why not 65 ..when you tried to capture Kashmir and failed.

Before 65, Pakistan was not a friend but was neither an enemy..there was fairly good amount of ppl to ppl contact, army dignitaries use to visit the other each others country..and India and Pakistan even use to exchange movies on govt- govt level (every yr, 5 Indian movies were sent to Pakistan and 5 Pakistani movies were shown to India)

In 1960 we even signed a landmark treaty for water sharing, which exists to this date.

But your sneak attack in 65 fouled all that.

After 65 Pakistan was an enemy ,and it can be argued had 65 not happened 71 would not happened.

2. Occupy Siachin Glacier, root cause of Kargil war.

Siachen was an unmarked territory ..who ever reached there first ..it was his to claim..but Kargil was on Indian side of LOC.
plus before Kargil many unsuccessful attempts were made by Pak army to capture Siachen.

3. Kashmir and Water.

Kashmir was a princely state, and ruler of Kashmir had option of acceding to Pakistan or India..had pakistan not invaded Kashmir and negotiated with the king, used diplomacy instead of force, he would not been forced to accede to India.
Hence Kashmir problem was off your own making.

IWT was signed in 1960 according to the treaty India only gets 19 % of total water flowing in Indus water sys, where as Pakistan gets to use 81 % of water..India is allowed to build only run of the river dams on northern rivers, also allowed to use certain amount water from northern rivers for storage , where as India is only using 30% of this assigned capacity.

India is allowed to build reservoir dams and use water for irrigation from southern rivers(which are less bountiful then the northern rivers)

Besides a World Bank is guaranteer of this treaty has a right arbitration...any violations of the treaty can be reported there..last time Pakistan went to WB with Baglihar dam..you lost the case.

Few important issues people should know, Why Afghanistan and India are very friendly to help the flood victim.
First reason is River Kabul. When flooded rivers of Afghanistan drained toward Pakistan. Plus Indian are already building dam in Afghanistan.

River Kabul flooded because heavy rainfall in NWFP ..infact the river SWAT was the main river which flooded..flooding in Kabul river was substantially lower...and flooding had nothing to do with Afghanistan.

An India company has been assigned by Afghan govt to help build a dam on river Kabul..for power generation and irrigation..just like pakistan has a right to build dams and use water from the river ..so does Afghan govt...It is better you sign some water sharing treaty with Afghanistan..rather than blaming India for it.

Besides Afghanistan is a landlocked country, which depends on Pakistan for its survival(trade)..do you think they will have the guts to stop your water..so stop being paranoid!!

So, dry Pakistan. When overflow Pakistani people will pay the price.
Second, all major rivers originates from Kashmir and has natural flow toward Pakistan. India built " unatural dams". (Example of recent destruction in Skardu and surrounding, when flood water first day destruction was, annihilation of 60 villages and loss of 13 people) Technically when the water overflows from these dams, it adopt the natural path, which ends up in Pakistan. Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood. So, Pakistan receive the water destruction and Indian farmers and their land is always safe.

Your failure to build dams and control the water flow of your rivers is the reason you are in soup today.

According to IWT India has restriction on building dam on its rivers not Pakistan..you can build as many dams and store as much water it likes..

Infact you should be thankful to India for these dams..coz if the dams were not there, all the water (rain in India) would have flown to Pakistan and would have caused flooding..Indian dams stored as much water they could and only released excess water in these river(water which was beyond the reservoir capacity)

Not yet touch the issue of 18 consulates of Indian along Pak border. Where no trade and no visa. 18 consulates mean issuing atleast 2000 visa to afghans.

This is a myth, India has only 5 consulates in Afghanistan namely

Mazar-e-Sharif

Kandhar

Jalalabad

Herat

Kabul

Where as Pakistan has 3.

Embassy of India in Afghanistan

Let put aside Kashmir issue, its already has separate section. Also put aside Baluchistan meddling.
The above three issues are proven one.

P.S, If these issues were not their, then any democratic govt of Pakistan would have reason to cut down defence budget and put foot in the mouth to those organization who been form in the name of Kashmir unrest.

A very famous political analyst(I am not able recall his name) once wrote "Pakistan likes to box above its weight"..I tend agree with him.

"One should choose ones enemies well and not get involved in a fight one can not win"

India has also a bigger and stronger neighbor..but India does not go about fingering it..at every chance it gets.

Besides if your army(which call the actual shots in your country) is to believed then its threat perception is based on India's capabilities and not India's intentions..if that is true then Pakistan's defence expenditure will rise irrespective of your economy , Indian capabilities will increase as -

Indian economy is growing
and Indian has global power ambitions, we do not want to restrict ourselves to pakistan.

So ball is in your court ..you can disengage and work towards your progress or continue like this.

 

[Leviza]

lol nice one, perfect example.

Thats what Indian ppl are like in my country

 

[Spring Onion]

Haider missed one more State terrorism in the region by India and that is creation of LTTE and Indian terrorism in Sri Lanka

 

[INS]

Haider missed one more State terrorism in the region by India and that is creation of LTTE and Indian terrorism in Sri Lanka

jana i think haider missed lots of things
like LeT, Taliban founders, ISI, Terrorism in Kashmir, Bomb plots in NYK, Blast in UK in bus and lots other things

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Haider missed one more State terrorism in the region by India and that is creation of LTTE and Indian terrorism in Sri Lanka

India never created LTTE,Sri Lankan can speak more on that.

India was the 1st nation to proscribe LTTE as a terrorist group.

Also,Isn't that accounted for as we sent IPKF,and later support for Lanka.

 

[Rank]

There is a term in Psychology for this behavior....

"Projection of Responsibility".....
Since you cannot seem to comprehend why this clusterfuck of calamities befalls your country..... you tend to project your anger at an external source to dilute your responsibility and blame others for your miseries instead of finding ways to curb the damage.....

Nevertheless....we see a lot of individuals do this.....The saner lot in Pakistan will pull the country through this....

Unfortunately you're not one of them....

Where are you when American failed and put all the pressure and responsibility on Pakistan for this "WOT failure" ? lol

 

[GentlemanObserver]

jana i think haider missed lots of things
like LeT, Taliban founders, ISI, Terrorism in Kashmir, Bomb plots in NYK, Blast in UK in bus and lots other things

LeT = BLA

Taliban founders = Nawab Bugti

ISI = Raw

Terrorism in Kashmir = LOL

Bomb plots in NYK =

Blast in UK in bus = UK Citizens, born and bread in UK

and lots other things