India requests new Apache helicopters from US to protect border with Pakistan, China

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You are just going to fall over, this is just strategic business. Russia & indian have a solid strategic relationship that won't change in the foreseeable future.

Unless you are claiming Russia will

Co develop 5th gen fighters with Pakistan
Co develop ballistic missiles
Co develop nuclear power plants
Sell nuclear subs & carriers
Willing to sell 5th gen fighters
Sell their top of the line arsenal

That is a joke, you can claim that India had a strategic relationship with Russia in 1970s but now India is cozying US at Russia's expense. India is trying to please US and Russia at the same time but India will never able to satisfy both, Russia is not longer seeing India as 1970s and they're willing to sell more sophisticate weapon to China such S-400 and SU-35 which India was so against.

As for Pakistan, selling Mi-35 is the baby step for Russia to establish solid relation with Pakistan and when Russia join CPEC and export their resource from Siberia via Pakistan, then it can become Russia strategic ally if Pakistan become a vital gateway for Russia to Arabian sea.

 

[patman]

That is a joke, you can claim that India had a strategic relationship with Russia in 1970s but now India is cozying US at Russia's expense.

U.S. had close ties with Pakistan , Russia had close ties with china , India has as the founding fathers of NAM didn't pick sides . That's how iran -Israel, U.S.-Russia , India's closest strategic partners

India is trying to please US and Russia at the same time but India will never able to satisfy both, Russia is not longer seeing India as 1970s and they're willing to sell more sophisticate weapon to China such S-400 and SU-35 which India was so against.

Russia is not Soviet , its notthe same as it was in the 70s neither is 40's UK ,it needs all the trade it can get, sanctions have made their economy less than half of Indian gdp ,besides it was mau's screw up that soured China-Soviet ties , who spoon fed Chinese military prior.

As for Pakistan, selling Mi-35 is the baby step for Russia to establish solid relation with Pakistan

Lets see a midget defence budget of 7billion $

Or

A juggernaut defence budget of 51 billion $ imports predominantly from Russian arsenal

and when Russia join CPEC and export their resource from Siberia via Pakistan,

Russia already has NSTC which gives access to half a dozen ports, they have spent billions on it for a decade , so keep dreaming on your failed project of yours, lol I'm sure Russia is egger to travel 5000km through deserts & mountains to buy vegetables & 3rd world clothes in gwadar port

then it can become Russia strategic ally if Pakistan become a vital gateway for Russia to Arabian sea.

Russia already has access to the middle east , and Any sputnik thinktank will say russia has no desire to get involved in the Indian ocean & east Asian conflicts, its realm of dominance is at the Baltic & to a extent the middle east

 

[Count Dracula]

India is trying to please US and Russia at the same time but India will never able to satisfy both, Russia is not longer seeing India as 1970s and they're willing to sell more sophisticate weapon to China such S-400 and SU-35 which India was so against.

lol neither is India seeing Russia as in 70s, also there is no bitterness or anything, neither in Russian leadership or Indian leadership. Neither does one see panic or for the matter excitement, in the sense of us joining USA camp as some see it. We dont jump up and down at the prospect of joining some imaginary camp and then latter regret it. Thats somebody else's job. Both countries are mature enough to see through this transition. ofc both will play hardball to extract as much possible from each other and Russia will play pakistan card now and then. But even when IN-RU relations appear dwindling, still it is a strategic partnership of a degree, which i dont think even pakistan will be enjoying, say after 15 years. And as for RU-CHN relationship, russia has to just abide its time for now,just like you guys did. So they will more or less kowtow your line. But they will never trust you, neither will CHN leadership trust them. Partly because you guys are neighbours and IN-RU relationship enjoyed that sense of trust maybe partly because we aint neighbours. As for CHN-PK relation i dont think you guys will be neighbours by the end of next decade.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Indians. Please forget about helicopters. feed the poor children of your country.

And you people have the nerve to talk about Turkey.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Indians. Please forget about helicopters. feed the poor children of your country.

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And you people have the nerve to talk about Turkey.

Who said anything about Turkey (the country).

 

[Tang_BJ]

who can tell me?
how many Apache does India have NOW? I mean this year, not 2019 or 2020.

 

[Hindustani78]

but we buying AH-1Z vipers not for free we are paying it and it not your concerns that we have money for buying these helicopters on not so STFU

So have the Chinese defense industries are already making the critical U.S made Helicopters spare parts ?

who can tell me?
how many Apache does India have NOW? I mean this year, not 2019 or 2020.

Here you seems to be talking about Rudras or TD1, TD2, TD3 and even TD4 attack helicopters which are being produced by HAL. After the Tumkur Helicopter Facility , i think more than 200 Attack Helicopters are being produced in Republic of India by Indian defense companies which are being linked with HAL.

U.S. had close ties with Pakistan , Russia had close ties with china , India has as the founding fathers of NAM didn't pick sides . That's how iran -Israel, U.S.-Russia , India's closest strategic partners

Actually Republic of India is founding member of United Nations and before that Founding member of League of Nations along with Afghanistan, Turkey, United States of America, Ukraine, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

U.S. had close ties with Pakistan , Russia had close ties with china , India has as the founding fathers of NAM didn't pick sides . That's how iran -Israel, U.S.-Russia , India's closest strategic partners

Russia is not Soviet , its notthe same as it was in the 70s neither is 40's UK ,it needs all the trade it can get, sanctions have made their economy less than half of Indian gdp ,besides it was mau's screw up that soured China-Soviet ties , who spoon fed Chinese military prior.

Lets see a midget defence budget of 7billion $ Or A juggernaut defence budget of 51 billion $ imports predominantly from Russian arsenal

Russia already has NSTC which gives access to half a dozen ports, they have spent billions on it for a decade , so keep dreaming on your failed project of yours, lol I'm sure Russia is egger to travel 5000km through deserts & mountains to buy vegetables & 3rd world clothes in gwadar port

Russia already has access to the middle east , and Any sputnik thinktank will say russia has no desire to get involved in the Indian ocean & east Asian conflicts, its realm of dominance is at the Baltic & to a extent the middle east

You can keep claiming to have a strategic partner with iran -Israel, U.S.-Russia, India tactic is to be neutral so both side will have to cozy with India and India can exploit their difference but these countries are not stupid, they can claim strategic partner with India if India don't give what they want or favor their enemy, they can also favor India's enemies.

India might have bigger defense budget than Pakistan but it didn't import more from Russia as in 1980s, worst it import from Russia's enemy, so Russia will diversify itself as India to export to India's enemies to get even.

And who told you that Russia is not interested in Indian Ocean, the Soviet's Afghanistan war was to have access to Arabian sea, now it will be much easier for them since China and Pakistan are their friend. India's none alignment is not but a farce, cozying with US will be a price that India will have to pay for Russia, it call strategic penalty.

lol neither is India seeing Russia as in 70s, also there is no bitterness or anything, neither in Russian leadership or Indian leadership. Neither does one see panic or for the matter excitement, in the sense of us joining USA camp as some see it. We dont jump up and down at the prospect of joining some imaginary camp and then latter regret it. Thats somebody else's job. Both countries are mature enough to see through this transition. ofc both will play hardball to extract as much possible from each other and Russia will play pakistan card now and then. But even when IN-RU relations appear dwindling, still it is a strategic partnership of a degree, which i dont think even pakistan will be enjoying, say after 15 years. And as for RU-CHN relationship, russia has to just abide its time for now,just like you guys did. So they will more or less kowtow your line. But they will never trust you, neither will CHN leadership trust them. Partly because you guys are neighbours and IN-RU relationship enjoyed that sense of trust maybe partly because we aint neighbours. As for CHN-PK relation i dont think you guys will be neighbours by the end of next decade.

I have not denied that In-RU enjoyed some sort of strategic partner in the pass but today the geo-political situation in India has be changed and Russia has also changed accordingly and they're certainly not kowtow to India because India has US card to play, Russia also has China card to play as you see CHN-RU rapprochement. As for CHN-PK, in contrary with CPEC we're welding together more than before, India can keep dreaming but it will never have Afghanistan as neighbor.

 

[rajiv sharma]

Indians. Please forget about helicopters. feed the poor children of your country.

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And you people have the nerve to talk about Turkey.

are you nuts ? ??? your message has got anything to do with the post ?
BTW have a look at this website , Bharat is next to turkey in the list https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=69 .
moreover Bharat was never tagged as a thief of any continent . bye for now

 

[Hindustani78]

You can keep claiming to have a strategic partner with iran -Israel, U.S.-Russia, India tactic is to be neutral so both side will have to cozy with India and India can exploit their difference but these countries are not stupid, they can claim strategic partner with India if India don't give what they want or favor their enemy, they can also favor India's enemies.

Israel is being backed by the Russian Federation and the immigration took place from Russian Federation into Israel in 1994 and majority of Israelis speak Russian language. Ukrainian nation were not interested in going into occupied Palestine and this is the reason Ukrainian Military is having strong relations with India, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

India might have bigger defense budget than Pakistan but it didn't import more from Russia as in 1980s, worst it import from Russia's enemy, so Russia will diversify itself as India to export to India's enemies to get even.

Republic of India , defense industries are way ahead of Chinese and Russians.

And who told you that Russia is not interested in Indian Ocean, the Soviet's Afghanistan war was to have access to Arabian sea, now it will be much easier for them since China and Pakistan are their friend. India's none alignment is not but a farce, cozying with US will be a price that India will have to pay for Russia, it call strategic penalty.

Its a known fact that Russians are using Iranian bases and Russian forces can reach Iranian ports Via Armenia which has been already informed by the Georgian Military. Ukrainian Military along with the US Military are assisting Georgian Military. Iranians are having Russian S 300 Air Defenses and even Iranians might having the latest Russian S-400 Air Defenses deployed on Iran around Isfahan.

Pakistan ports are being directly accessed by the Chinese and Chinese Military advisors are being deployed in territories which belongs to Republic of India and the same is there around Afghanistan.

I have not denied that In-RU enjoyed some sort of strategic partner in the pass but today the geo-political situation in India has be changed and Russia has also changed accordingly and they're certainly not kowtow to India because India has US card to play, Russia also has China card to play as you see CHN-RU rapprochement. As for CHN-PK, in contrary with CPEC we're welding together more than before, India can keep dreaming but it will never have Afghanistan as neighbor.

Indians, Americans, Arabs, Turks , Ukrainians are natural allies because of the cold war tactics which has been applied by the Russian-Chinese Militaries.

The question which is being asked by the Global alliance is just this, Are the Chinese leading the other block or the Russians ?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Indians, Americans, Arabs, Turks , Ukrainians are natural allies because of the cold war tactics which has been applied by the Russian-Chinese Militaries.

The question which is being asked by the Global alliance is just this, Are the Chinese leading the other block or the Russians ?

You can keep claiming that the entire world are your natural allies but the fact is that India has no allies on their neighborhood, Americans are sure your natural ally by sending their aircraft carrier to deter India in 1971 war. And Russia is now Pakistan and China friend but India still claim a strategic partnership LMAO. And sure Turks are you allied unless Hindu converted to Muslim and embrace Islam...you guys are just so funny.

As for China we don't need to lead but capitalize on India's strategic mistake.

 

[Ultima Thule]

So have the Chinese defense industries are already making the critical U.S made Helicopters spare parts ?

the only US helicopter in PLA service is S-70 they are very old and least active and yes they make all critical US made parts including engine at home but they will replace it with this
Z-20

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

the only US helicopter in PLA service is S-70 they are very old and least active annd yes they make all critical US made parts including engine at home but they will replace it with this
Z-20
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why making US spare parts when we can make entire aircraft without have to pay any royalty to American?
We will wait for India's apache to drop at our border like their drone then we will show Indian about Chinese ingeniousity.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Republic of India , defense industries are way ahead of Chinese and Russians.

can you built a jet engines, can you build a ships engines can built a AESA, etc etc and main question is if you are way ahead from Russia, so why you are importing critical parts for MKI from Russia, why you create Brahmouse Co to develop Brahmouse which is the copy cat version of late 80's era Soviet Navy rejected Oniks, and all n all why you are in the parts of FGFA projects if you're way ahead from Russia let forget China and Please answer my these questions @Hindustani78

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

can you built a jet engines, can you build a ships engines can built a AESA, etc etc and main question is if you are way ahead from Russia, so why you are importing critical parts for MKI from Russia, why you create Brahmouse Co to develop Brahmouse which is the copy cat version of late 80's era Soviet Navy rejected Oniks, and all n all why you are in the parts of FGFA projects if you're way ahead from Russia let forget China and Please answer my these questions @Hindustani78

India is ahead of Russia on one thing --> population, as for the rest the facts speak for itself.