India orders Israeli armed UAVs - in case US drones reach Pakistan

[Justin Joseph]

India orders Israeli armed UAVs - in case US drones reach Pakistan

Sources close to the Indian defense ministry in New Delhi disclosed Wednesday, March 31, that a military purchasing mission was in Israel recently to expedite the purchase of a large number of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs or drones) armed with missiles, for deployment on its front lines against Pakistan.

Indian sources did not disclose the size of the order placed with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) - running to hundreds of millions of dollars - but they made no secret of their intention to build up their fleet of reconnaissance and killer drones for a possible duel against US-armed Predators in the hands of Pakistani forces.

Islamabad is pushing Washington hard for strategic Predator drones, like those the US employs against al Qaeda and Taliban strongholds in Pakistan's tribal districts on the Afghan border.

From Israel, New Delhi has commissioned a few more drones of the Heron MALE (medium-altitude, long-endurance) type, as well as Searcher-II and Harpy `killer' drones designed to detect and destroy enemy radars by functioning like cruise missiles.

Our military sources report that their reconnaissance and targeting features are sought by India for its response should the Americans decide to let Pakistan have drones capable of firing AGM-114 Hellfire missiles. New Delhi made its order urgent after learning that Washington may deliver drones to Islamabad much sooner than Indian intelligence had foreseen.

Together with the drones, India also ordered from Israel advanced ground control systems and data terminals for their operation.

The visiting Indian delegation also discussed the possible introduction of Israeli Harop `killer' UAVs to the Indian Air Force from 2011. These drones can loiter six hours over targets on ground, sea or dense urban areas and strike them from different angles. The visitors checked on the progress of the DRDO unmanned gunship helicopter, a joint Indian-Israeli project on commission for both their air forces, which is under construction at an Israeli aerospace industry plant. India is going half-and-half with Israel in the costs of developing and production of the innovative helicopter.

DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security

 

[Justin Joseph]

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When a small country can fool US why India which is providing billions of dollars of order and huge consumer market of billion plus people is using its true potential.

The MMS and the bureaucracy are screwing our diplomacy.

They are not letting our agencies open hand and also not doing their work.

The all seems to be confused.

 

[Mahakaya]

Seriously no matter what the Air Chief says, I THINK THIS HAS TICKED OFF INDIANS REAL BAD THIS TIME. I don't think India will get the US planes anymore. This is the final nail in the coffin!

ALL that Bush achieved with India in his term the OBAMA government is hell bent on losing it!

I think, we should expedite the decision on the MRCA front and send a strong message to the OBAMA government to PISS OFF and not expect anything from us!

 

[pak-yes]

When a small country can fool US

And by this what do you mean.You People haven't faced true extent of terrorism otherwise you wouldn't be saying this thing.

 

[Mahakaya]

And by this what do you mean.You People haven't faced true extent of terrorism otherwise you wouldn't be saying this thing.

Buddy keep this to yourself >> What you have seen for the past 2-3 years we have been seeing that for the past 20-25+ years so please let it be cos it will end up in bad blood!

The militancy in Punjab, Kashmir, Assam - you know how horific incidents have people seen. I know people who have lost their sons and families. I know many people from Kashmir who were ousted and their elders killed infront of their own eyes!

You have no right to talk about whether we have seen terrorism or not!

 

[champion]

good i like to see more in India

 

[KEETARP]

India orders Israeli armed UAVs - in case US drones reach Pakistan

Sources close to the Indian defense ministry in New Delhi disclosed Wednesday, March 31, that a military purchasing mission was in Israel recently to expedite the purchase of a large number of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs or drones) armed with missiles, for deployment on its front lines against Pakistan.

Indian sources did not disclose the size of the order placed with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) - running to hundreds of millions of dollars - but they made no secret of their intention to build up their fleet of reconnaissance and killer drones for a possible duel against US-armed Predators in the hands of Pakistani forces.

Islamabad is pushing Washington hard for strategic Predator drones, like those the US employs against al Qaeda and Taliban strongholds in Pakistan's tribal districts on the Afghan border.

From Israel, New Delhi has commissioned a few more drones of the Heron MALE (medium-altitude, long-endurance) type, as well as Searcher-II and Harpy `killer' drones designed to detect and destroy enemy radars by functioning like cruise missiles.

Our military sources report that their reconnaissance and targeting features are sought by India for its response should the Americans decide to let Pakistan have drones capable of firing AGM-114 Hellfire missiles. New Delhi made its order urgent after learning that Washington may deliver drones to Islamabad much sooner than Indian intelligence had foreseen.

Together with the drones, India also ordered from Israel advanced ground control systems and data terminals for their operation.

The visiting Indian delegation also discussed the possible introduction of Israeli Harop `killer' UAVs to the Indian Air Force from 2011. These drones can loiter six hours over targets on ground, sea or dense urban areas and strike them from different angles. The visitors checked on the progress of the DRDO unmanned gunship helicopter, a joint Indian-Israeli project on commission for both their air forces, which is under construction at an Israeli aerospace industry plant. India is going half-and-half with Israel in the costs of developing and production of the innovative helicopter.

DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security

This article has totally confused me -

When did Air-Force ordered HAROP drones
It was army looking for Loitering missile/UAV , not air-force.
Air-force is using HARPY killer drone rt now.
Finally which killer drone India is interested that article mentions
LONG RANGE or Medium Range or they just confuse it with loitering killer missile aka HAROP/HARPY

I guess ,This is what Pakistan is intrested in -​

Predator is medium ranged UCAV
they also have BURAQ UCAV under devlopment. by NESCOM

India - If article meant IAI-EIATON will buy this​

which is also Medium range​

 

[mjnaushad]

In my opinion drones are effective where their is no airforce of enemy. Like WOT. Do you really think Pakistan will think of attacking you with UCAVs. ??

I have no problem with this

India orders Israeli armed UAVs

But i do laugh at this

in case US drones reach Pakistan

 

[KEETARP]

In my opinion drones are effective where their is no airforce of enemy. Like WOT. Do you really think Pakistan will think of attacking you with UCAVs. ??

I have no problem with this

India orders Israeli armed UAVs

But i do laugh at this

in case US drones reach Pakistan

No you are not getting the point.
Armed drones with Hellfire missile are a dangerous asset.
With the help of its anti-radar guidance or optronics guidance you can create Havoc by destroying the land based SAM's Radar system even when they are turned off and giving advantage to fighter jets to attack later.

When you are talking abt WOT ,
i think a MALE-UAV can give you accurate data , which you can target by your precision weapons later, or at the max a loitering missile is required .

You dont need - An ARMED UCAV drone to go out and hunt few Terrorist

Something like Predator is dangerous to our Air-Defence system, so we want to have a balance nothing else. Till now India never had intentions to buy Armed drones
We have been using UAV for keeping watch on movement and Reconnaissance.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

 

[deckingraj]

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May be we are jumping on gun guys...US is not selling/giving Predators to Pakistan...All they are giving is UAV not UCAV....They are not Naive..One of this predator might land up in some secret lab in China which then would be reverse-engineered and there comes a brand new UCAV better than predator...

Probably this news is putting you guys off

Iran's defensive drones worry Gates

However Pakistan closeness with China might be a big roadbloack for Pakistan to be included in the list of those friendly countries that US wants these Drones to be sold...Secondly nothing is mentioned on how they will defy MTCR...so relax...

 

[deckingraj]

Till now India never had intentions to buy Armed dronesWe have been using UAV for keeping watch on movement and Reconnaissance.

Can you please explain a bit more on this buddy??? What options do we have in the market that were/are available and India is not interested because my understanding is different from yours...

 

[mjnaushad]

No you are not getting the point.
Armed drones with Hellfire missile are a dangerous asset.
With the help of its anti-radar guidance or optronics guidance you can create Havoc by destroying the land based SAM's Radar system even when they are turned off and giving advantage to fighter jets to attack later.

When you are talking abt WOT ,
i think a MALE-UAV can give you accurate data , which you can target by your precision weapons later, or at the max a loitering missile is required .

You dont need - An ARMED UCAV drone to go out and hunt few Terrorist

Something like Predator is dangerous to our Air-Defence system, so we want to have a balance nothing else. Till now India never had intentions to buy Armed drones
We have been using UAV for keeping watch on movement and Reconnaissance.

IF a UAV spot a high level target or big group of terrorist. Its better to shoot them right on the spot instead of waiting for Jets to take off come to designated area and then fire. USAF didn't kill Baituallah mehsood, Hakim ullah Mehsood by spotting them on UAV then sending F 16 to drop bombs......They shot them as soon they spot them with UCAV. So howcome we dont need UCAVs......

 

[pop_alsa]

May be we are jumping on gun guys...US is not selling/giving Predators to Pakistan...All they are giving is UAV not UCAV....They are not Naive..

And how you will defend your new daddy(USA) for selling new F-16 & Precision guided bombs to Pakistan? Maybe we are jumping on guns, as you put it in typical Indian-american english?

I am sure USA is not naive. They know what they are doing by enhancing Pakistan airforce. But I am not sure about you.

 

[ARCHON]

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When a small country can fool US why India which is providing billions of dollars of order and huge consumer market of billion plus people is using its true potential.

The MMS and the bureaucracy are screwing our diplomacy.

They are not letting our agencies open hand and also not doing their work.

The all seems to be confused.

Maybe we should kill some maoists and ask for freebies like drones ...