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Of course.. We never listened threat of US during 1971 war or during N bomb testing.

what threat? lol. the US wanted Beijing to intervene but your soviet masters had already told nixon admin that indians would not dare to touch W. Pakistan.

and on nuclear testing - we didnt budge either, in the face of threats or the Pressler Amendment, what's your point?

We never took side of USSR during cold war. You may laugh your a$$ out but it is only Pakistan who takes order from US earlier (and still is) and now China's.

india couldnt take sides b/c it was a giant and dirt-poor irrelevant country nobody cared to listen to...had little leverage

looking to today, india has grown economically/militarily - but still bows down when the yanks tell new delhi to cut down on imports of Iranian oil. Soon as things go in our favour in Afghanistan, indians will either be compelled through pressure or force to cut down its anti-Pakistan activity along the Pak-Afghan border. But we wont need Amreekhans to have that done.


if Pakistan is taking orders from US then pray tell - i wonder why they still yap about "haqqani networks" and Pakistan not agreeing to tackle all the anti-NATO forces which are not hostile to Islamabad.

your argument just doesnt hold so you may need to work on it a little
 
Histo

Historically Nepal n India are one nation..i mean like before 1947 pakistan was also part of greater india....Gout am budhha was born, lived and died as a Hindu.
Historically there's no 'India' as a country before 1947. India was just the name of this land, not the name of any country. The great ancient India kindom only existed thousands of years ago. Since the invasion of Aryan, this land has been ruled by various outsiders. They founded different countries but none is the real india. 'India' was just a similar geographic definition as 'mid asia' or 'far east'. Except the great ancient india, unlike China, this land is never united as a single nation before 1947. 'India' as a country is created by British and Gandhi. Why do you consider Pakistan and Nepal should be part of your country?
 
what threat? lol. the US wanted Beijing to intervene but your soviet masters had already told nixon admin that indians would not dare to touch W. Pakistan.

and on nuclear testing - we didnt budge either, in the face of threats or the Pressler Amendment, what's your point?
US called India and asked to stop which we never did. They asked Beijing to intervene but Beijing was not in mood to meddle. Then US moved its Naval ship in Bay of Bengal due to which USSR said not to get involved and hence they moved their naval ship to Bay of Bengal. In any of the cases, We didn't bother to take our attack back but on opposite note, Pakistan pulled back its force after a call from US during Kargil. Rings a bell?

india couldnt take sides b/c it was a giant and dirt-poor irrelevant country nobody cared to listen to...had little leverage
We are talking about India and not Pakistan. Even after being poor, we tested N bomb in 70s and won many wars which of course you are trying to ignore. We had NAM as foreign policy and what was Pakistan.. a pet of US or Nothing.
looking to today, india has grown economically/militarily - but still bows down when the yanks tell new delhi to cut down on imports of Iranian oil. Soon as things go in our favour in Afghanistan, indians will either be compelled through pressure or force to cut down its anti-Pakistan activity along the Pak-Afghan border. But we wont need Amreekhans to have that done.
We don't care about Yanks not earlier and not today. We are focused about our profit if sometimes carrot works for us through US then we do it, if not, we ignore it. We didn't bother for Economic sanction so Iranian oil is petty issue anyways, we are working with Iranians for Central Asia route through Chabahar so your this argument is invalid.

Regarding your fallacious theories of Indian agencies working against Pakistan, come up with logic and proof and then we will talk. Right now, you are just jealous that Afghanistan prefers India over Pakistan due to many "war" gifts Pakistan given to them including their favorite Taliban.
if Pakistan is taking orders from US then pray tell - i wonder why they still yap about "haqqani networks" and Pakistan not agreeing to tackle all the anti-NATO forces which are not hostile to Islamabad.

your argument just doesnt hold so you may need to work on it a little
Pakistan is taking order from US or China in following cases :-
1) Pakistan's strategic decision is still "influenced" by US or China. e.g. US asked to pull back your forces in 1999 .
2) Pakistan's soil was and is still used by Americans for their "inherited" interests. Be it Soviet war in Afghan or Taliban to Drone missiles.
3) Pakistan's International decision are still focused toward China or US. e.g. NS "recommended" in SAARC to add China in to the same.
 
What do think it will take to develop the trust? Why is there mistrust in the first place?
Actually to me it is very simple to do.
1) Solve the minor border issues with us, mostly in our favor. You hardly have anything to lose.
2) Do not work with Pakistan in Azad Kashmir.
 
US called India and asked to stop which we never did. They asked Beijing to intervene but Beijing was not in mood to meddle. Then US moved its Naval ship in Bay of Bengal due to which USSR said not to get involved and hence they moved their naval ship to Bay of Bengal. In any of the cases, We didn't bother to take our attack back but on opposite note, Pakistan pulled back its force after a call from US during Kargil. Rings a bell?

pulling back was a mistake (in my opinion) but if you want to talk about Kargil (which i'm always happy to do) we can take it to relevant threads


We are talking about India and not Pakistan. Even after being poor, we tested N bomb in 70s and won many wars which of course you are trying to ignore. We had NAM as foreign policy and what was Pakistan.. a pet of US or Nothing.

By being ostensibly "allied" they turned a blind eye to our nuclear program (until later on when we exploded the bomb). As for the cold war politics - it suited our agenda very well. We werent pressured to do so at all. Not sure what you're even trying to insinuate there. If we were a "pet" then going by the exact same logic, so are/were you


We don't care about Yanks not earlier and not today. We are focused about our profit if sometimes carrot works for us through US then we do it, if not, we ignore it. We didn't bother for Economic sanction so Iranian oil is petty issue anyways, we are working with Iranians for Central Asia route through Chabahar so your this argument is invalid.

indian oil imports from iran are on the decline, b/c of western pressure. You couldnt even pay them on time, which is why Iranians seized an indian state-owned oil tanker not too long ago



Regarding your fallacious theories of Indian agencies working against Pakistan, come up with logic and proof and then we will talk. Right now, you are just jealous that Afghanistan prefers India over Pakistan due to many "war" gifts Pakistan given to them including their favorite Taliban.

and yet Ghani won the election - crushing india's dreams to have another puppet like karzai in power...your argument is obsolete and no longer applicable

there's nothing to be "jealous" about b/c history books wont be kind to india vis-a-vis its role in Afghanistan.....history books sure arent kind to the soviets or the brits who preceded NATO :)


Pakistan is taking order from US or China in following cases :-
1) Pakistan's strategic decision is still "influenced" by US or China. e.g. US asked to pull back your forces in 1999 .
2) Pakistan's soil was and is still used by Americans for their "inherited" interests. Be it Soviet war in Afghan or Taliban to Drone missiles.
3) Pakistan's International decision are still focused toward China or US. e.g. NS "recommended" in SAARC to add China in to the same.[/QUOTE]

Pakistan isnt compellled to keep the GLOCs open. They were closed several times already and the Americans squirmed. However its mutually beneficial. Pakistani logistics companies mint money and we help NATO in its drawdown, while getting excess defense articles such as the MRAPs and other equipment.

China is our neighbour and we're trying to get them on board vis a vis Afghanistan as well (already happening). Pakistan is a security seeking state, we're just working to keep indian influence in check. That will be including Sri Lanka too in the coming years, as you are already aware.
 
Actually to me it is very simple to do.
1) Solve the minor border issues with us, mostly in our favor. You hardly have anything to lose.
2) Do not work with Pakistan in Azad Kashmir.

werent you the bharti bozo who made that thread the other day about boycotting Pakistan??

still posting on this forum :laugh:
 
Who harbor Tibetans slave owners in 1959 and still provide sanctuary for Dalai Lama.

I agree with you...But again, do you think even if India would not have provided shelter to Tibet people, China would not have supported anti Indian nation like Pakistan? Of course no....You would have supported Pakistan irrepective of Tibet people taking shelter in India or not..
 
I agree with you...But again, do you think even if India would not have provided shelter to Tibet people, China would not have supported anti Indian nation like Pakistan? Of course no....You would have supported Pakistan irrepective of Tibet people taking shelter in India or not..

What is China interest to support anti-India and make a big nation in SA as enemy? in 1960s we got enough of problem such famine, U.R.S.S. and US. but it seemed that India toke advantage of the situation...India ticked China off first and you should not blame us to reciprocate.
 
werent you the bharti bozo who made that thread the other day about boycotting Pakistan??

still posting on this forum :laugh:
Never talked about boycotting. Just said stop talking at Government level.
 
What we require is a clear cut vision and a direction in which we want to move. If we choose a wrong path, we may end up in disadvantage over a period of time. What we need to do is to choose correct path after a very careful consideration and elaborated discussion among our policy makers.This is very difficult but we have some good pragmatic guys who have a vision and aspiration as well. They can certainly lead india to a right direction.
 
What is China interest to support anti-India and make a big nation in SA as enemy? in 1960s we got enough of problem such famine, U.R.S.S. and US. but it seemed that India toke advantage of the situation...India ticked China off first and you should not blame us to reciprocate.


No we do not blame you. We blame our spineless leaders like Naheru to Man mohan. We have a very strong and pragmatic government in place.We are very happy with the way they work including the way it has responded to china. You can continue your expansionist policy to bully the neighbors. We shall give you befitting reply. Things have started changing. Few more steps in right direction shall strengthen our position diplomatically as well as strategically. Our greatest weakness of a weak government is been removed now.We are now in a position to reverse your diplomatic and strategic aggression with interest.
 

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