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India must develop ties with Pakistan army

Suman Guha Mozumder in New York

December 09, 2008

Muqtedar Khan, an Indian-American expert on South Asia and political Islam at the University of Delaware in the United States, says rather than trying to work with Pakistani politicians against that country's military establishment, India should develop military-to-military relations with Pakistan.

"There is a joke that all countries in the world have their own armies, but only two armies in the world -- Pakistan and Turkey -- have their countries.

I think there might be temptations (in India) to work with politicians in Pakistan against that country's military, but what the Indian government should do is essentially sit down and have bilateral military-to-military relations," Khan said.

Khan, a popular media commentator who last week wrote an article in The Washington Post in which he called for significant rethinking in how one fights terrorism following the Mumbai terror attacks said it is very difficult for him to imagine that there was no Pakistan government agency involvement in the horrible terrorist operation in Mumbai last month.

"I am inclined to believe that there must have been some low-level rogue element in the Pakistani government who looked the other way while the training and logistics support were being provided," Khan told rediff.com "Otherwise, it is very difficult for anybody to carry out such a sophisticated operation," Khan, who is director of the University of Delaware's Islamic Studies Programme, said.

A native of Hyderabad, who used to live when he was in his mid-twenties about a mile from the Taj Mahal Hotel [Images] in Mumbai and often frequented the place for a buffet or breakfast, said his suggestion was that India should "adopt" Pakistan.

"It is obvious by now that on its own Pakistan cannot govern itself. They are incapable because not only there are very fundamental and multi-layer divisions between the politicians and military, there are divisions within the military as well," he said.

"Until now the Americans have been telling them it is good to train the jihadists to blow up the Russians. So, sponsorship of terrorism was in favor of democracy and freedom, and they did it for more than 15 years. And then suddenly they were told that it is okay to do the same thing on their eastern border but not on the western border which in effect means that it is okay to support groups against India but not against America. And now they are told it is not okay to do it on either side," he said.

"People in the lower ranks of the Pakistani military are totally confused. In fact, radicalisation of the Pakistani military had happened even before the radical groups were emerging. It is the radicalisation of the Pakistani army which made it so easy for radical groups to be created and trained. Now they are asking them to unwind, but I do not think that is going to happen so easily because the military is divided and there are a lot of rogue elements in the military and ISI (Inter Services Intelligence, the Pakistan military's espionage directorate) who would launch their own projects," Khan said.

But then, he added, it is also very difficult for him to imagine that there was no local support in India behind the attacks. "Ignoring that connection by the Indian government is going to be a policy problem," he said, adding that the Indian government needs more support from the Muslim population.

"Ideally, if there are some (Muslim) kids behaving strangely in their neighbourhood, Muslim wives and mothers should ideally call the police. But that is not possible perhaps in today's India because people are afraid of police and there is so much distrust between the police and the Muslim community," Khan said.

"I suspect that now police forces are going to abuse more people, especially Muslims, and in the process create the potential for more terrorist recruits than actually preventing them," he added.

Khan said he believed the Pakistani military is now just as concerned and worried about terrorism as anybody else. "Frankly, they have created a Frankenstein ('s monster). They want basically to control it, and prevent it (but cannot). I think the Indian government should develop military to military relations and the Indian military should perform joint operations in Waziristan (in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province). I think a joint anti-terrorism military task force should jointly patrol the border in Pakistan and Afghanistan," he said.

His assessment is that the US war on terror has been a complete failure. "Because after seven years of US and Pakistan efforts against terrorism -- and this has been the single agenda of President George Bush [Images], and two wars -- if this is what the terrorists can achieve," Khan said, "then it looks really scary to me."

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India must develop ties with Pakistan army

Suman Guha Mozumder in New York

December 09, 2008

Muqtedar Khan, an Indian-American expert on South Asia and political Islam at the University of Delaware in the United States, says rather than trying to work with Pakistani politicians against that country's military establishment, India should develop military-to-military relations with Pakistan.

"There is a joke that all countries in the world have their own armies, but only two armies in the world -- Pakistan and Turkey -- have their countries.

I think there might be temptations (in India) to work with politicians in Pakistan against that country's military, but what the Indian government should do is essentially sit down and have bilateral military-to-military relations," Khan said.

Khan, a popular media commentator who last week wrote an article in The Washington Post in which he called for significant rethinking in how one fights terrorism following the Mumbai terror attacks said it is very difficult for him to imagine that there was no Pakistan government agency involvement in the horrible terrorist operation in Mumbai last month.

"I am inclined to believe that there must have been some low-level rogue element in the Pakistani government who looked the other way while the training and logistics support were being provided," Khan told rediff.com "Otherwise, it is very difficult for anybody to carry out such a sophisticated operation," Khan, who is director of the University of Delaware's Islamic Studies Programme, said.

A native of Hyderabad, who used to live when he was in his mid-twenties about a mile from the Taj Mahal Hotel [Images] in Mumbai and often frequented the place for a buffet or breakfast, said his suggestion was that India should "adopt" Pakistan.

"It is obvious by now that on its own Pakistan cannot govern itself. They are incapable because not only there are very fundamental and multi-layer divisions between the politicians and military, there are divisions within the military as well," he said.

"Until now the Americans have been telling them it is good to train the jihadists to blow up the Russians. So, sponsorship of terrorism was in favor of democracy and freedom, and they did it for more than 15 years. And then suddenly they were told that it is okay to do the same thing on their eastern border but not on the western border which in effect means that it is okay to support groups against India but not against America. And now they are told it is not okay to do it on either side," he said.

"People in the lower ranks of the Pakistani military are totally confused. In fact, radicalisation of the Pakistani military had happened even before the radical groups were emerging. It is the radicalisation of the Pakistani army which made it so easy for radical groups to be created and trained. Now they are asking them to unwind, but I do not think that is going to happen so easily because the military is divided and there are a lot of rogue elements in the military and ISI (Inter Services Intelligence, the Pakistan military's espionage directorate) who would launch their own projects," Khan said.

But then, he added, it is also very difficult for him to imagine that there was no local support in India behind the attacks. "Ignoring that connection by the Indian government is going to be a policy problem," he said, adding that the Indian government needs more support from the Muslim population.

"Ideally, if there are some (Muslim) kids behaving strangely in their neighbourhood, Muslim wives and mothers should ideally call the police. But that is not possible perhaps in today's India because people are afraid of police and there is so much distrust between the police and the Muslim community," Khan said.

"I suspect that now police forces are going to abuse more people, especially Muslims, and in the process create the potential for more terrorist recruits than actually preventing them," he added.

Khan said he believed the Pakistani military is now just as concerned and worried about terrorism as anybody else. "Frankly, they have created a Frankenstein ('s monster). They want basically to control it, and prevent it (but cannot). I think the Indian government should develop military to military relations and the Indian military should perform joint operations in Waziristan (in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province). I think a joint anti-terrorism military task force should jointly patrol the border in Pakistan and Afghanistan," he said.


His assessment is that the US war on terror has been a complete failure. "Because after seven years of US and Pakistan efforts against terrorism -- and this has been the single agenda of President George Bush [Images], and two wars -- if this is what the terrorists can achieve," Khan said, "then it looks really scary to me."

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i don,t want to see even one INDIAN soldier on pakistani soil
 
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i don,t want to see even one INDIAN soldier on pakistani soil

do you seriously think they can attack us from western border i dont think so buddy boi the Trible belt over 90000 Lashkar from the trible belt are ready to fight with Pakistan India doesnt stand a chance
 
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How is that possible when all Pakistanis are INDIANS?:police: Afterall what is the differance between us.

the difference is that we believe in one almighty god and you believe in 1000 gods,

are all indians like you???
 
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How is that possible when all Pakistanis are INDIANS?:police: Afterall what is the differance between us.

ohhh mate.. where do you want me to start???!!!!

You're from an excessively pungent nation for a start....:P
 
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How is that possible when all Pakistanis are INDIANS?:police: Afterall what is the differance between us.

Without wanting to flame this thread, I say in all seriousness, Pakistanis generally look like your Bollywood stars, and Indians tend to look like the little Dravidian terrorist you got in Mumbai.

Genetically, there's further....................
 
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Without wanting to flame this thread, I say in all seriousness, Pakistanis generally look like your Bollywood stars, and Indians tend to look like the little Dravidian terrorist you got in Mumbai.

Genetically, there's further....................

Apparently those Dravidian terrorists turned out to be Pakistanis.:lol:

Are they Genetically........
 
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You've presented no solid proof they're Pakistani.

I have seen some evidence they're Hindu and Indian though.

1) He speaks Hindi

2) he wears a Kalava.

Solid evidence is something undeniable. Finding his parents and doing a DNA test. With the names of the other 9 terrorists, this might even be a possibility - unless it's all lies of course and they have no parents in Pakistan.
 
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i don,t want to see even one INDIAN soldier on pakistani soil

Metoo ,Neither I want to see even one Pakistani soldier my soil.:angry:

If I don't want to visit Pak in my lifetime ,how can I let my soldier's go their .NO and never :angry:
 
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India is a virus that needs to be kept at bay, military to military is farfetched, we shouldnt even have traditional government to government level relationships. India is trying to destabilize all its neighbours from srilanka, BD to Pakistan and China and i think if GOP has some sense prevailing, they need to raise this issue will all parties involved in the SA, expose the real character of this called world's biggest democracy and try to get India isolated.
The GOP did that earlier but to the wrong end the US. We all know what vested interests does the US has and therefore it would turn a blind eye to whatever its new wife does, it will be better if all parties including in the region and the EU should be taken into confidence as to what really is going on and whos behind what. As for the US a real tough stance needs to be adopted, its now or never.
 
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"As for the US a real tough stance needs to be adopted, its now or never."

Desperation, eh?

As it's so far from "now" as to be on the other end of the universe I suppose that means "never". Divorce/War with America might not be the smartest move.

Leverage? You've none. Nothing, therefore, of tangible worth with which to entice nations even more poor than yourselves from which to encircle India. Think that lil' entente cordiale can be negotiated in secret before any number of interested parties rip it to shreds in any number of ways.

Pakistan really, really can't afford the likes of you in it's foreign ministry.:eek:
 
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Metoo ,Neither I want to see even one Pakistani soldier my soil.:angry:

If I don't want to visit Pak in my lifetime ,how can I let my soldier's go their .NO and never :angry:

U dont know what u r missing! i ve been to india several times and loved every moment of it!

i have very friendly and gracious friends in india! even now!
 
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his suggestion was that India should "adopt" Pakistan.

how cute!!!
 
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