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NEW DELHI: For the first time India has options when it comes to finding a partner to build a military nuclear asset. Besides Russia, ship builders from France and the US have started initial conversations with the defence ministry on participating in an Indian effort to build a new class of nuclear-powered attack submarines.

Russia has been the traditional ally of India when it comes to sensitive technology and strategic systems.

But a Navy plan for constructing six new nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSNs) to patrol the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) and beyond has prompted 'discussions' with the two western nations, sources familiar with the development told ET. The Cabinet Committee on Security had cleared Navy's proposal in February.

The Indian SSN project — expected to cost over Rs 1 lakh crore — is an ambitious plan to design and produce a nuclear attack boat with the help of the private sector. If this materialises, it will propel India into a select league of the five nuclear powers that have such a capability. SSNs are nuclear powered submarines, but do not carry nuclear warheads, relying instead on conventional weapons and stealth to hunt ships and other submarines. The last country to enter this club was China in 1974 with its Han class boats.

Sources told ET that senior representatives from the submarine branch of a leading US conglomerate have met key Indian defence ministry officials regarding the project. The efforts included a top level meeting in July. The discussions have been kept low key given the sensitivity of the project and details are not available.

Similarly, French representatives have also approached the Indian side for exploring avenues for cooperation on the project in the past few months. While the French submarine manufacturer has not commented on the project, the Indian side is interested in the new 'Barracuda' SSN being developed by French ship builder DCNS. A senior DCNS representative refused to take questions on the matter.

The new nuclear submarine for the French Navy is currently under construction and is expected to start sea trials by next year. The Barracuda was also showcased at the Defence Expo held in New Delhi last year. As reported by ET, India is also in talks with Russia to lease a nuclear attack submarine — a newly built, customised boat that could give engineers a first-hand look at construction technology and process.

Unlike a nuclear missile armed submarines (SSBN) that is designed to carry out a nuclear strike, nuclear propelled attack boats (SSNs) are considered less sensitive, with their primary role being hunting vital enemy naval ships and submarines. While foreign assistance on SSBNs is a complex matter, there have been examples of nations sharing non-nuclear technology for SSNs. France is at present assisting Brazil with its first nuclear submarine project. The deal involves France helping Brazil with the non-nuclear components of the submarine, with the South American nation using its own reactor and fuel.

India's first SSBN, the INS Arihant, is currently undergoing sea trials in Vizag. It is expected to carry out a weapons test shortly. The only SSN in service with the Navy at present is the INS Chakra, an Akula class submarine on a 10 year lease from Russia to train Indian crew for such operations.



India may get US, French cos as partners for building nuclear submarines - The Economic Times
 
If it's true then India should be very wise and go for 6 American technology SSN and Another 6 From the French ASAP. While receiving 1 more SSN from Russians and rope them in Indigenously built SSN.

We need to act fast. This is psychological effects will have huge change of mind in countries like China Pakistan. . Even if it could cost some 25 billion to 30 billion dollars I these SSNs are once in a time investments. Much needed Boost where we actually lack
 
May as well be IF with the U.S. on developing and collaborating on nuclear submarines with another country. The French may do it, but doubt the U.S. will.
 
If it's true then India should be very wise and go for 6 American technology SSN and Another 6 From the French ASAP. While receiving 1 more SSN from Russians and rope them in Indigenously built SSN.

We need to act fast. This is psychological effects will have huge change of mind in countries like China Pakistan. . Even if it could cost some 25 billion to 30 billion dollars I these SSNs are once in a time investments. Much needed Boost where we actually lack

Its a good development but First we need to make ready the Reactors for the subs..
 
Aint gonna happen unless you become poodle of USA

France is at present assisting Brazil with its first nuclear submarine project.The deal involves France helping Brazil with the non-nuclear components of the submarine, with the South American nation using its own reactor and fuel.

Why US won't do the same. US trying to place India in many technology groups. All roads converging to transfer missile to nuclear technology to India. Silent game plan to check mate China. Sure India will benefit from this...
 
France is at present assisting Brazil with its first nuclear submarine project.The deal involves France helping Brazil with the non-nuclear components of the submarine, with the South American nation using its own reactor and fuel.

Why US won't do the same. US trying to place India in many technology groups. All roads converging to transfer missile to nuclear technology to India. Silent game plan to check mate China. Sure India will benefit from this...
France is different,read up on established policies of US and relevant laws on why its not possible.
 
France is different,read up on established policies of US and relevant laws on why its not possible.

True but US been very helpful towards India. Sold India it's P8I C130 c17... And now ready to make special provisions to transfer Drones, EMALS , Aircraft technology. US intent is there. One military who are capable to attack China it's Indian Armed forces. Indian Navy can blockade Chinese 80% of trade route in Indian Ocean. Incase of international sanctions on China for being aggressive in SCS. It's the larger game plan. But your point is valid too.
 
I don't want anyone except India to make these sophisticated nuclear powered submarines, because once china see's USA helping India, they would definitely go and help pakistan make its own Nuclear sub, and even we wont be able to stop them from doing so......second most important thing we can do is to make A&N an impenetrable fortress that not even chinese ships can not pass through, we need to arm A&N to its teeth to stop chinese ships from coming through malacca strait.......so we need to think wisely, because if US and france help us they will have everything against us.......
 
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i feel these are some hard played news by vested interests.
1. Indian N Sub have a great amount of collaboration and help from Russia mostly off the record
2. France and Indian relationship is altogether just few notches below Indo Russian relations. France may help us with N Program as well but it will also do that discretely and will not like anything published about it
3. The propaganda saying USA will help means USA will NEVER help in N sub program or specifically SSNs
4. This paid article seems to be mischevious and is aimed at putting spotlight on France and Russia who are helping India and trying to make them feel discomfort about information in public domain
5. If the attempt is to infuriate Russia and further make them feel insecured with the mention of Ino US SSn talks then this is a cheap attempt

if India takes help in SSN projects besides Russia it will be France. A second but a very potent talk was converting Scorpene subs into N Missile capable boats with Nirbhay N Mode. This was a plan conceived after looking at Israels model of equipping Dolphn Subs with N Missiles preferably N-LACM. But since there is no info about any customisations we dont know about such a capability. But there is a good chance France may agree to such a customisation if India requests and further ups the scorpene orders and mix the so called capability in say 3-4 subs out of say 12 scorpenes thereby keeping the ambiguity

But don expect USA to build SSN projects for India or in MII program unless you see a whole US establishment and its senate giving India a position as important as say Israel, UK, Australia or Japan type. and If such a thing happen then you can very well see a permanent base of US say in a place like Andaman and Nicobar. As all this is very tough due to indian polictical system which will oppose whichever party is in opposition, the case is a make believe wish list.

Still personally if Andaman and Nicobar has a US base and in turn if we could develop a much bigger infra there for air and naval wing we can control and protect the vast economic and trade route of Indian Ocean much better. The possibility of having US subs in these waters potentially puts a very cautious and superb deterrence ploy. Again i then expect a certain nation to deploy its own forces ina permanent base in pakistan as part of securing its own route for economic protection. And for this to succeed India has to keep Russia happy also by having a massive economic and military partnership to sustain such a massive change in strategic posturing.

I still feel its more of a wishful thinking perhaps.. But who knows in future its possible..
 
We already have prototype of Akula. And more coming from Russia. We should go for US and France offer if offered.

Dude.. we've one for SSBN... for SSN the power is not enough... we need a little powerfull one.. BARC is working on it.. but havn't given any details... Maybe like Arihant they want to surprise everyone..
 
France is at present assisting Brazil with its first nuclear submarine project.The deal involves France helping Brazil with the non-nuclear components of the submarine, with the South American nation using its own reactor and fuel.

Why US won't do the same. US trying to place India in many technology groups. All roads converging to transfer missile to nuclear technology to India. Silent game plan to check mate China. Sure India will benefit from this...


I would rather not see India getting too close to US, they will........ USE....... ABUSE then EXCUSE u.
 
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