India ‘importing’ 20 elite guards to Islamabad

[BATMAN]

India ‘importing’ 20 elite guards to Islamabad

NEW DELHI: India will depute 20 specially-trained security personnel as escorts for the Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad. According to reports, eight of them have already reached Pakistan. All security personnel, belonging to the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), are under 34 and have undergone commando training, media reports quoted Indian Home Ministry sources as saying. app

 

[gubbi]

India ‘importing’ 20 elite guards to Islamabad

NEW DELHI: India will depute 20 specially-trained security personnel as escorts for the Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad. According to reports, eight of them have already reached Pakistan. All security personnel, belonging to the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), are under 34 and have undergone commando training, media reports quoted Indian Home Ministry sources as saying. app

Where does it say "Elite" force in the source you posted?
CISF is NOT an elite force, its just another paramilitary force (which doesnt even have COIN experience) a little better than any local police forces but not equivalent to say CRPF or BSF or even RR. They were raised to guard and protect industrial installations as their name suggests. Duh!
Btw, that Indian embassy in Islamabad 'technically' -(international diplomatic norms) stands on Indian soil, and as a part of sovereign real estate, India can send/depute anyone she wants as long as Pakistan does not declare them persona non grata!

 

[graphican]

When Americans are allowed to bring security guards, countries like India will feel psychological reason to put themselves into the list, even if such act would prove nothing but idiotic in the end. Remember India feeling like putting itself in the list of "important countries" worried over infringement of Harpoon?

India is such a "wana be"

 

[bones20]

When Americans are allowed to bring security guards, countries like India will feel psychological reason to put themselves into the list, even if such act would prove nothing but idiotic in the end. Remember India feeling like putting itself in the list of "important countries" worried over infringement of Harpoon?

India is such a "wana be"

Total misinterpretation based on brain washed prejudice.

This would have been done as a demand from Indian govt for the safety of their diplomats (Look up what happened to the UN consulate lately in Pakistan). Pakistan has rationally obliged otherwise otherwise one more foreign counsulate would have been out of thee holy land.

 

[courageneverdies]

Total misinterpretation based on brain washed prejudice.

This would have been done as a demand from Indian govt for the safety of their diplomats (Look up what happened to the UN consulate lately in Pakistan). Pakistan has rationally obliged otherwise otherwise one more foreign counsulate would have been out of thee holy land.

This prejudice is two-sided. It is the responsibility of Pakistan to secure the Indian Ambassador and embassy mission. If a country deputes its own guards and security than the responsibility of the host gets void. If anything happens to any of your men here, than it won't be the responsibility of Govt. of Pakistan. May your men remain safe and sound.

KIT Out

 

[bones20]

This prejudice is two-sided. It is the responsibility of Pakistan to secure the Indian Ambassador and embassy mission. If a country deputes its own guards and security than the responsibility of the host gets void. If anything happens to any of your men here, than it won't be the responsibility of Govt. of Pakistan. May your men remain safe and sound.

KIT Out

Ok. Point noted. If it is the Pakistan govt which is willing to approve this demands by India and other countries, why is India to be blamed?

 

[courageneverdies]

Ok. Point noted. If it is the Pakistan govt which is willing to approve this demands by India and other countries, why is India to be blamed?

Did I blame India??? I dont think so. I just said that it is the responsibility of Pakistani Govt. to provide security to foregin missions in Pakistan. Missions, however, can be allowed to have their own security. And I also agree that because of the tension between Pakistan and India, Indian mission is in more need of security than US or any other country.

KIT Out

 

[third eye]

This prejudice is two-sided. It is the responsibility of Pakistan to secure the Indian Ambassador and embassy mission. If a country deputes its own guards and security than the responsibility of the host gets void. If anything happens to any of your men here, than it won't be the responsibility of Govt. of Pakistan. May your men remain safe and sound.

KIT Out

The highlighted part is not correct.

Point security is given to a person / place. Peripheral security remains the responsibility of the host.

Security is very complex issue wherein intel plays a critical role. This is the preserve of local agencies.

 

[courageneverdies]

Point security is given to a person / place. Peripheral security remains the responsibility of the host.

Security is very complex issue wherein intel plays a critical role. This is the preserve of local agencies.

Inducting your own security despite of the security being provided by a host country affects the peripheral security. The security of foreign missions is not that complex because it has to be provided to an identified area and people. The free movement of Indian foreign mission members is also controlled and to some extent restricted. So in such case the ambassador is the sensitive case. I am sure that much of the elite security being inducted by India is for Ambassador.

Therefore, the security provided by Pakistani Admin. gets contracted.

KIT Out

 

[BATMAN]

Where does it say "Elite" force in the source you posted?

It says 'Elite' in the headlines, which happens to be the subject of this thread.

CISF is NOT an elite force, its just another paramilitary force (which doesnt even have COIN experience) a little better than any local police forces but not equivalent to say CRPF or BSF or even RR. They were raised to guard and protect industrial installations as their name suggests. Duh!

What industrial installation does india need to protect in Islamabad?

Btw, that Indian embassy in Islamabad 'technically' -(international diplomatic norms) stands on Indian soil, and as a part of sovereign real estate, India can send/depute anyone she wants as long as Pakistan does not declare them persona non grata!

Did we say they should be expelled?
Only Mr. Zardari can declare them persona non granta and i suppose he is in good terms with india?

 

[beckham]

It says 'Elite' in the headlines, which happens to be the subject of this thread.

Check the source you will find out !

What industrial installation does india need to protect in Islamabad?

The role of protecting Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad is best suited to CISF, though there is other agencies like SPG !

''A bill was passed by Rajya Sabha on February 19 and Lok Sabha on 25th February 2009, also provides for deployment of CISF to protect Indian missions abroad and its participation in the UN peacekeeping operations.''

 

[beckham]

To clear any more misunderstandings,

Central Industrial Security Force

The CISF provides security cover to 269 industrial units located all over India. Industrial Sectors like Atomic Power Plants, Space Installations, Defence Production Units, Mints, Oil Fields and Refineries, Major Ports, Heavy Engineering, Steel Plants, Barrages, Fertilizer units, Airports and Hydro electric/thermal power plants, Indian border, Plants produceing indian currency are protected by CISF. Most of these installations are located in difficult terrains of the country with harsh climatic conditions. The CISF personnel perform their duties in adverse condition e.g. toxic gases and chemicals.

CISF also provides consultancy services to private industries as well as other organizations within the Indian government. The consulting wing has amongst its clients some of the renowned business houses and organisations of India including TISCO Jamshedpur; SEBI Hqrs. Mumbai; Vidhana Soudha,Bangalore; Orissa Mining Co.,Bhubaneswar; AP Assembly, Hyderabad; Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corp., HIL Kerala, IARI, Delhi; NBRI, Lucknow and Electronics City, Bangalore. The scope of CISF's consulting practice includes security consulting and fire protection consulting.

*It is one of the largest central paramilitary forces in India with strength of nearly 105,000 which will be raised to 145,000 within 2-3 years. With perhaps no parallel in the entire world for a Government agency providing security to such a large number (269) industries with thousands of million rupees worth of assets.

*CISF is unique as a Force of its kind in that it has a well trained Fire Wing comprising 4625 Officers and personnel giving Fire Protection to 77 industries.

*It is shaping up as an elite Force protecting the critical infrastructure of India. It is unique due to multifunctional duties and best performance.

*After 9/11 majority of the commercial airports in India were brought under it.Now CISF is protecting a total of 54 international and domestic airports in the country.

*CISF can be deployed to protect Indian missions abroad and it can participate in the UN peacekeeping operations.

 

[BATMAN]

Check the source you will find out !

YOu are free to quote source of your choice!
which is trustable to you than we make our comments.

The role of protecting Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad is best suited to CISF, though there is other agencies like SPG !
''A bill was passed by Rajya Sabha on February 19 and Lok Sabha on 25th February 2009, also provides for deployment of CISF to protect Indian missions abroad and its participation in the UN peacekeeping operations.''

Are you protecting all indain embassies with CISF? Link please?
Rajya Sabha bill does not mean you start dictating Zardari!
What visa do they apply when they go to various countries? it can't be tourist or bussiness either.

 

[blueoval79]

Are you protecting all indain embassies with CISF? Link please?

Are all India embassies attacked.....It only happens in Afghanistan...and may happen in Pakistan..... so this calls for a need of CISF

Rajya Sabha bill does not mean you start dictating Zardari!

Well no one is dictating anything to Zardari....may be we give him 10% and he allows us to send our guards.....

Who are those indians fighting along northern alliance and TTP?

They may be some non state actors......

 

[beckham]

Are you protecting all indain embassies with CISF? Link please?
Rajya Sabha bill does not mean you start dictating Zardari!
Who are those indians fighting along northern alliance and TTP?

Read carefully,

''A bill was passed by Rajya Sabha on February 19 and Lok Sabha on 25th February 2009, also provides for deployment of CISF to protect Indian missions abroad and its participation in the UN peacekeeping operations.''

Means,there is a bill thats allows CISF to be deployed abroad ! That doesn't mean all all Indian embassies are protected by CISF. Next time don't twist my words !