India has 'No strong proof of Pak's hand in 7/11'

[Spring Onion]

'No strong proof of Pak's hand in 7/11'
[ 22 Oct, 2006 1259hrs ISTAP ]


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/2228539.cms

NEW DELHI: India appeared to retreat from its charge that Pakistan's spy agency planned Mumbai train bombings in July, with its national security adviser saying Sunday that investigators don't have strong evidence. "I would be hesitant to say that we have clinching evidence. We have pretty good evidence," MK Narayanan told to a private news channel.

Narayanan's statement came as India and Pakistan prepared to resume official-level talks next month which India put on hold after the train bombings that killed more than 200 people.

India's new foreign secretary, Shivshankar Menon, said earlier this month that India will give Islamabad evidence that Pakistan's spy agency planned the bombings.

Last month, Mumbai Police Commissioner AN Roy announced the end of a probe into the blasts and said the intensive investigation had revealed a Pakistan role.

"The terror plot was ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) sponsored and executed by Lashkar-e-Toiba operatives with help from the Students' Islamic Movement of India," Roy said.

Lashkar-e-Toiba, or Army of the Pure, is a Pakistan-based Islamic militant group. The Students' Islamic Movement of India is banned.

Pakistan dismissed the accusations and asked India to furnish credible evidence to prove the charge. Narayanan said in his interview that some information was missing.

"We have connectivity, we have linkages, we have confessions, we have a number of arrests made on the basis of confessions which is pretty good. But there are pieces of the puzzle which are not available," he said. "If the court thinks that it requires a foolproof picture, maybe it will be difficult," he said.

 

[Neo]

Pakistan bomb role evidence “not clinching”: India

22 October 2006

NEW DELHI - India has good but not clinching evidence against Pakistan’s spy agency for its role in the July serial bombings in Mumbai, which killed 186 people, a top security official said on Sunday.

Indian police last month blamed Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is fighting Indian rule in Kashmir, for the seven bombs which ripped through commuter trains and platforms in the western commercial hub.

Both Pakistan and Lashkar have denied any involvement.

India’s National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan said while the evidence was as good “as we can possibly get in terrorist cases”, it could not be called clinching.

“We have connectivity, linkages, confessions. We have a number of arrests which are pretty good,” the official told the CNN-IBN television news channel in an interview which was to be broadcast later in the day.

“But there are pieces of the puzzle which are not available. I would hesitate to say we have clinching evidence, but we have pretty good evidence,” he said, according to excerpts of the interview released by the channel.

Narayanan said the evidence would most likely be presented to Pakistan during the mid-November talks between the foreign secretaries of the nuclear-armed rivals.

The foreign secretaries are meeting in a bid to revive a peace process, which was put on hold by New Delhi after the blasts.

The process was launched in 2004 in a bid to resolve several bilateral disputes including their core historical row over the northern region of Kashmir, which is split between the two countries but is claimed in full by both.

A separatist revolt in Indian Kashmir, which Delhi says is supported and fuelled by Pakistan, has claimed more than 45,000 lives since 1989.

“On the spot”

On a decision taken last month by the two countries to set up a joint agency to tackle terrorism, Narayanan said India would use it to put Pakistan “on the spot” by giving it ”definite proof” of its involvement in any attacks in India.

“We hope to be able to give them specific locations, specific names, specific telephones. If Pakistan delivers on some, even if not all, then at least we’ll feel the mechanism is reasonably successful ...”

“If every time we give them information we get a negative answer then we know the mechanism is not working and we have to see what we do. But the first thing we want to do is to put Pakistan on guard, on the spot, by saying this is the evidence, this is the information (now) come back to us with what you will do.”

He warned that if in every case, Pakistan denied its role, it would be clear that the joint mechanism was not working.

“... and we can also tell Pakistan and the rest of the world there is no point in talking to them. They don’t understand the language ... once we feel the mechanism is not working we will call it off.”

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...continent_October852.xml&section=subcontinent

 

[Neo]

All barks no bites.
And Mr. M. Singh went all the way to the States and Europe to whine about Pak's involvement in the 7/7 blasts.

 

[Spring Onion]

Yeh but u see after detracting of so called accused they had arrested from their statement under torture by Indian Police and after statments by US officials who had said they dont want to take sides

India can well imagine that they have no proof

 

[Neo]

Yeh but u see after detracting of so called accused they had arrested from their statement under torture by Indian Police and after statments by US officials who had said they dont want to take sides

India can well imagine that they have no proof

This was a pathetic attept to link the 7/7 blast to Pakistan in order to block the ongoing negotiation for MDE deal including the F-16.
Obviously they failed...again!

 

[Neo]

Musharraf says zero tolerance for Indian meddling

ISLAMABAD (updated on: October 23, 2006, 22:15 PST): President Pervez Musharraf has said that Pakistan would not tolerate India's interference in its internal matters or any threat from it and our nuclear program is for deterrence purposes only and should not be related to extremism.

'I respect Indian Prime Minister but it is regrettable that India wants to keep its domination in the region and wants Pakistan to be weaker force. Indian should come out of its phobia of being a greater nation and should talk to us at an equal level', President Musharraf said in an interview with a private TV channel on Monday.

President added that we would not allow anyone's interference in our internal matters and neither would be tolerate such things. He said that India first should set its own house in order before telling other what to do.

The president said that there are no separatists movement in Pakistan while in India 21 separatists movements are tasking place thus India should not consider us as a weaker nation. With respect to the Kashmir dispute president said in this respect talks with India are on the right path and progress is being made.

Talking about the domestic political situation the president said that in light of the current political situation in the country political parties of the country can take part in the next general elections and there is no bar on them. He added that however parties would remain the same but certain change in individuals in necessary.

He said democracy lies within the party and not with individuals but unfortunately our political parties have no democracy. He said that there is no need to change the parties inside Pakistan but there is a need to change their leadership.

President said that when he assumed power as a military ruler he did not become a Martial law administrator but worked for making the civil administration better and introduced the monitoring system for which the army was used. He said we promoted civil bureaucracy and the people of Pakistan should have faith in us.

With respect to the Hadood ordinance president said that we worked for empowering the women and gave them 33 percent representation in the assembly so that their voices could be heard and justice be given to the, . However women should fight for their own rights and enhance their capabilities in all sectors.

He said that he is proud that females are excelling in many fields including education and the day is not far when they would become equal to their male counterparts.

With regards to the foreign policy the president said that we regret what happened in Lebanon and we need to review our policies especially with respect to Israel.

He said that there was a rime when we did not accept Israel at all and now we believe in two states Israel and Palestine. He said that however policy is clear that the Palestinian issue needs to be settled first for achieving peace in the Middle East.

President while backing the Nuclear Program, underscored that it should not be related to sectarianism as this is not a Sunni, Shia Islamic bomb, but is a Pakistani bomb, that we have set up to cater the Defence needs of the country. While giving his views on Nuclear Scientist Dr Qadeer Khan, President said that we are under no pressure from any one in this regard if anyone has any information on him than they should come forward and contact us and we would investigate. But we would not allow anyone to investigate on their own capacity.

President said that our policy with respect to Afghanistan is clear and obvious and the world understands our concerns.

With regards to Mullah Omar and Osama bin laden he said that they are hiding in the mountains of Afghanistan and it is not an easy task to find them due to no road access and difficult terrains and they also have a lot of supporters there.

He said that we want friendly relations with all our neighbouring countries including the US.

 

[Neo]

And apparently they don't know when to stop...

India accuses Pakistan of seeking to infiltrate its military

by Pratap Chakravarty
Mon Oct 23, 7:48

NEW DELHI (AFP) - New Delhi has accused Pakistan of encouraging Indian soldiers to betray their country and said it had launched a massive operation to weed out those who had become spies.

The allegation came after India said on the weekend it had arrested an army sergeant for allegedly handing secret military papers to a Pakistan High Commission employee, sparking a new spy row between the nuclear-armed rivals.

"It is a matter of extreme concern that the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) is trying to infiltrate and subvert our armed forces," Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters in the Indian capital.

Pakistan has denied that its employee was involved in espionage activity.

There was no immediate reaction from Islamabad to New Delhi's latest charge.

"Our intelligence networks in all the three services are active as there have been inputs that the ISI is trying to infiltrate the services and also make some of the personnel corrupt," Mukherjee said.

He said the armed forces had launched a major hunt for spies in its million-plus army.

"Sometimes we catch moles. But this time the exercises are aimed at nailing the kingpins," Mukherjee said.

Two months ago, Pakistan threw out a visa councillor from the Indian embassy in Islamabad on charges of espionage and India retaliated by expelling a Pakistani diplomat on similar charges.

That round of expulsions was the first since 2002 by the rivals who have fought two of their three wars over the Himalayan region of Kashmir since the subcontinent became independent in 1947.

The statements came as India's national security advisor came under opposition fire after saying New Delhi may have no "clinching" proof of Pakistan's alleged involvement in the deadly Mumbai blasts.

National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan said Sunday that India had "pretty good" although not possibly "clinching" evidence that Pakistani's spy agency was involved in the July 11 explosions that killed 186 people.

"The national security advisor has weakened our stand about the ISI's involvement in the Mumbai train bombings," senior Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party leader Vijay Kumar Malhotra said.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said earlier this month that New Delhi would provide Islamabad with evidence of alleged Pakistani links with the serial blasts on commuter trains.

Indian authorities have charged that the ISI and the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group helped plant the bombs.

Pakistan has rejected the Indian claims and Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is fighting against Indian rule in Kashmir, has also denied involvement.

The two countries have agreed to resume peace talks next month in New Delhi after the process was put on ice by the Mumbai bombings.

The evidence was expected to be supplied to Pakistan during the mid-November talks between the foreign secretaries.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061023/wl_sthasia_afp/indiapakistanmilitaryespionage_061023114827

 

[Spring Onion]

if they betray their country its weakness of Indian soldiers so they should check their own army

BTW Intellegence agencies are meant to crearte rifts among elements of enemies so nothing new.

 

[Bull]

All barks no bites.
And Mr. M. Singh went all the way to the States and Europe to whine about Pak's involvement in the 7/7 blasts.

Singh didnt go there to speak abt pakistan,its just not worth it.We had more imp things to do.Visit the EU website and see for yourself what i am speaking abt.

 

[Bull]

if they betray their country its weakness of Indian soldiers so they should check their own army .

What do you think we are doing???

:BTW Intellegence agencies are meant to crearte rifts among elements of enemies so nothing new.

Who said its NEW??

 

[Neo]

Singh didnt go there to speak abt pakistan,its just not worth it.We had more imp things to do.Visit the EU website and see for yourself what i am speaking abt.

Come on Bull, you know better than that!
Whining is a 'must do' item on every forign trip made by 'Papa Smurf'.

 

[Neo]

Wednesday, October 25, 2006

ISI strategy to infiltrate Indian army ‘as old as Pakistan’, says Gul

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: General Hameed Gul, former chief of Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), has said that the ISI’s strategy to infiltrate India’s armed forces is “as old as Pakistan” itself, but this was unlikely to derail the peace process between the two countries.

“We have had an adverse relation with India. It is a method to protect ourselves and getting the information in advance,” said Gen Gul in a discussion with Indian channel CNN-IBN, following the arrest last week of two Indian army men who were alleged ISI moles. Former Indian army chief Gen Shankar Roy Choudhary and national security expert V Raman also took part in the discussion.

Asked if ISI’s espionage activities could lead to derailment of the peace process between the two countries, Gul said, “No, not at all.”

“It goes on all the time. The Soviet Union and the US continued to advance their interest through means other than confrontation. Intelligence agencies have to do certain things and this is offensive intelligence,” he added.

“There will be ups and downs and it depends on the relationship between the countries at that time. With the bone of discord over Kashmir, this adverse relationship will remain,” he said.

Gen Choudhary said though the “ISI infiltration activity” had not been going on for long, the frequency with which “traitors” were being caught was worrisome. “Our counter-intelligence has to be further strengthened for these moles to be eliminated,” he said.

Raman said though each government department kept tabs on external contacts, “this kind of infiltrations showed gaps in the internal security set-up”.

“These gaps have to be assessed and checked. If a person went to Kathmandu three times, how come his trips did not come to notice?” Raman said, referring to Army jawan Ritesh Kumar who was arrested on October 22.

“There has always been an attempt to infiltrate the armed forces. The recent instances just show that there are holes that are exploited by ISI. We need to locate the loopholes and deal with them,” Gen Choudhary said.

Both Indian experts doubted the ISI could polarise the armed forces along communal lines. “Communal polarisation will not take place because our troops have been totally faithful and true to their salt apart from exceptions. I agree with Gul that diplomats can keep talking, but the basic relationship will remain adversarial in the foreseeable future,” Choudhary said.

Raman said people would never doubt Muslim officers in the armed forces. “We should not exaggerate the possibilities of communal polarisation. We have to be alert about any negative tendencies. There has always been communal harmony in our forces,” he said.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\10\25\story_25-10-2006_pg7_12

 

[Bull]

Come on Bull, you know better than that!
Whining is a 'must do' item on every forign trip made by 'Papa Smurf'.

Whining..if thats whining then look at what the whole world is saying abt your country.India is just trying to put more and more pressure on to you guys,and we shall spare no chance that we get.

But to say he travelled all the way to finland to say that is ansurd.As i say again go to EU site and see what waas done in finland.

 

[Spring Onion]

Bull a wise person never follow what other says

anyway who is the whole world?Bush? NATO? or those who are killing hundreds daily but still can not succeed in their agenda.
passing own failure to Pakistan will never help dear.
India is saying about giving us proof but failed to do yet and also she herlself admitted they dont have any

 

[Neo]

India is saying about giving us proof but failed to do yet and also she herlself admitted they dont have any

They have it..well they think they have it..but it's not clinching evidence so it's being discussed with CIA and and Mr. Bush himself now. :stupid:
All they can do is to get some political milage out of it, otherwise its another failed attempt to block the $5.1 billion MDA (including F-16's) to Pakistan.