India displaces Ireland to top UK population rank

[Srinivas]

India displaces Ireland to top UK population rank

For the first time, India has topped the list of non-UK born residents in the country, displacing Ireland, which held the top spot in every census since 1951, according to latest census figures analysed by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Due to reasons of history and geographical proximity, Ireland was the place of birth of the largest number of residents in the UK who were born abroad. In 1951, Poland held the second spot and from the 1961 census onwards India emerged as the second-largest group in this category.

But newly analysed results of the 2011 census show that India has overtaken Ireland. UK residents born in India now number 694,000.

The ONS analysis says: "This (India) group has consistently accounted for a large proportion of the non-UK born population of England and Wales. The largest inter-censal percentage increase for this group was between 1961 and 1971, where this population almost doubled from 157,000 to 313,000. In 1971 those born in India accounted for 10% of the whole non-UK born population."

In 1951 the top ten non-UK countries of birth represented 60% (1.1 million) of the total foreign born population, compared to 45% (3.4 million) in 2011. There are several major groups identified in this data that have continually been present in the top ten non-UK countries of birth, such as those born in Ireland, India and Poland, the ONS says.

In 1951 there were 1.9 million non-UK born residents in England and Wales (4.5% of the usually resident population) and by 2011 this had increased to 7.5 million (13% of the resident population).

According to the ONS, underlying reasons for migrations to the UK are complex, but often include ‘push’ factors such as civil conflict, political instability and poverty, and ‘pull’ factors such as employment and education opportunities. - See more at: India displaces Ireland to top UK population rank - Hindustan Times

 

[Android]

Indians taking over the world

 

[telugodu]

Indians taking over the world

england taking our indians...they should kindly return them back...

 

[iam not greek]

one day we should overtake even their indigenous population

 

[rubyjackass]

The usual perception(probably with a hint of racism) is that the largest group of non-UK born residents is actually from Pakistan. Many of them prefer to not have documentation(to say it diplomatically, or plainly they outstay their visas).

 

[livingdead]

The usual perception(probably with a hint of racism) is that the largest group of non-UK born residents is actually from Pakistan. Many of them prefer to not have documentation(to say it diplomatically, or plainly they outstay their visas).

or may be because pakistanis are the more visible and vocal lot, lot more politically active than Indians.
Indians just live here, secretly, most dont know we are here. sushhhh..

 

[JanjaWeed]

or may be because pakistanis are the more visible and vocal lot, lot more politically active than Indians.
Indians just live here, secretly, most dont know we are here. sushhhh..

Or maybe Indians have better things do than merely making their presence visible. About Pakistanis being more politically active... beg to disagree in that one too. It's just that Pakistani politicians & political activists are more vocal compared to their Indian counterparts. I dare you to dig out the numbers & see which community has major number of reps in UK Parliament, house of lords or local councils!

 

[Contrarian]

or may be because pakistanis are the more visible and vocal lot, lot more politically active than Indians.
Indians just live here, secretly, most dont know we are here. sushhhh..

Pakistani migrants are not successful economically in UK. Thus they are involved with more street crime and low wage jobs. This generates more (negative)publicity.

Indians and Indian origin people are more successful, their path is entirely separate.

That said - we are taking over the world..:evil:

 

[livingdead]

Or maybe Indians have better things do than merely making their presence visible. About Pakistanis being more politically active... beg to disagree in that one too. It's just that Pakistani politicians & political activists are more vocal compared to their Indian counterparts. I dare you to dig out the numbers & see which community has major number of reps in UK Parliament, house of lords or local councils!

Indians are 2.3 percent of uk population and pakistanis 1.9.
you can see the list of MPs here.
List of ethnic minority British politicians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JanjaWeed]

Indians are 2.3 percent of uk population and pakistanis 1.9.

Just 'cause Indian population is higher than Pakistan, does it mean they need to make more noise?

you can see the list of MPs here.
List of ethnic minority British politicians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My Friend.. I know the list & I'm also aware of the fact that Indian origin people are much more active politically. It's just that they don't go around making too much noise about it.

 

[Abingdonboy]

or may be because pakistanis are the more visible and vocal lot, lot more politically active than Indians.
Indians just live here, secretly, most dont know we are here. sushhhh..

I'd agree the Indian community in the UK likes to remain more low-key than their Pakistani or Bangledeshi counterparts. So yes the Indian community is less vocal here and arguably less politically active.

It still absolutely baffles how poorly the UK does wrt trading with India when we seemingly should have every conceivable advantage- historic ties, people-people ties, language, huge Indian investment in the UK, origins of the Indian governance system are British etc etc and yet the UK exports less than BELGIUM to India. It is mind-boggling stupidity on the UK's side.

The UK could have had the chance to be good freinds with India but through successive governmental polices that have been remarkably anti-Indian the UK will rightfully reap what it has sown and will/is lose/losing out to the Yanks and the likes of France.

 

[livingdead]

The UK could have had the chance to be good freinds with India but through successive governmental polices that have been remarkably anti-Indian the UK will rightfully reap what it has sown and will/is lose/losing out to the Yanks and the likes of France.

british goods are not competitive which is why they lose out. Govt to govt contact is not that bad, but what can british govt push for, other than shady arms deal?
Can you tell me some products of british private sector that can be competitively priced in India.

 

[Abingdonboy]

british goods are not competitive which is why they lose out. Govt to govt contact is not that bad, but what can british govt push for, other than shady arms deal?
Can you tell me some products of british private sector that can be competitively priced in India.

You and I both know Britain doesn't make jack $hit that anyone actually wants anymore

 

[That Guy]

Pakistani migrants are not successful economically in UK. Thus they are involved with more street crime and low wage jobs. This generates more (negative)publicity.

Indians and Indian origin people are more successful, their path is entirely separate.

That said - we are taking over the world..:evil:

Citation needed, because that's an extremely bold statement to make. Careful next time, because dems fightin words.

This isn't actually a good thing for India, you guys do realize that, right? It just means that India is suffering from a brain drain because all their smart people are leaving to other countries such as (in this case) the UK.

 

[Contrarian]

Citation needed, because that's an extremely bold statement to make. Careful next time, because dems fightin words.

1. Ethnic group Percentage in poverty
Bangladeshi 65%
Pakistani 55%
Black African 45%
Black Caribbean 30%
Indian 25%
White Other 25%
White British 20%
Poverty rates among ethnic groups in Great Britain | Joseph Rowntree Foundation

2. Ethnic group Median total wealth
White British £221,000
Indian £204,000
Pakistani £97,000
Black Caribbean £76,000
Other Asian £50,000
Black African £21,000
Bangladeshi £15,000
Pakistani Britons have the second highest relative poverty rates in Britain, ahead only of Bangladeshis
http://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/dps/case/cr/CASEreport60.pdf

3. Statistics compiled by the Department for Education and Skills show that almost 40 per cent of Pakistani students in secondary schools are eligible for free school meals, compared to a national average of 15 per cent
http://www.insted.co.uk/raising2005.pdf

4. Not just this, even in education. British born Indians and PIO's score far higher than Pakistani's and even native White's.

You can search about it on this forum itself. There are many threads on British kids with Pakistani heritage education levels and others and why they have lower educational achievements vis-a-vis others.

This isn't actually a good thing for India, you guys do realize that, right? It just means that India is suffering from a brain drain because all their smart people are leaving to other countries such as (in this case) the UK.

No. I disagree here.

See India made these great world class institutions like IIT and IIM's that produced great kids. The problem was that they could never find good jobs in India commensurate with their education, so they had to go out.

So majority of immigrants were well educated people who went out for better jobs.

Now while you and many Indians find this wrong. I find it okay. They have contribute to India in other ways. They have grown quite wealthy and influential in their host countries. There is a reason why our remittances are highest in the world, or why Indians are increasingly able to assert themselves politically.
Take a look at Indian Americans - how they have successfully formed a lobby and how many of them are increasingly getting into the high circles of American polity. They affect global diplomacy and relations with India. And this will only grow in the future.
So I think they have done rather well for India in other ways.

And today's generation of educated folks in India dont have to go abroad. The flood of educated folks that left India each year has now become a trickle. This is a 2007 article, before the financial crisis hit US and Europe.

For IITians today, home is where the moolah is

MUMBAI: 'One leg of an IITian is in India, the other in Air India' went a popular wisecrack of the late 1980s and early '90s. No longer. The brain drain from IITs has diminished to a trickle
For IITians today, home is where the moolah is - Times Of India

So on this aspect I disagree with you and many Indians as well.