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NEW DELHINegotiations over the multibillion dollar deal to sell 126 Dassault Rafale jets to India have stalled, according to Indian Defence Ministry sources, who say the sticking point involves issues governing license-production of the jets at state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL).

A series of meetings held over the past three months have failed to resolve the stalemate, the sources said, meaning it is unlikely the deal will be finalized during the current New Delhi administration.

At the beginning of the year, Rafale-maker Dassault met with the MoD, Indian Air Force and HAL to break the impasse, sources said. A planned visit by HAL Chairman R.K. Tyagi for Jan. 27-31 has been postponed, putting a question mark over the entire program.

A Dassault executive said the company was informed at the last minute about the postponement of the HAL team visit to Paris and gave no details.

However, a senior HAL executive said the visit was postponed due to a sudden company board meeting at home. He said the visit has just been postponed, not canceled.

At issue is the Indian Air Force’s insistence that HAL provide guarantees on the delivery schedule for the Rafale aircraft. According to the tender, 108 of the 126 jets are to be license-produced at HAL.

HAL in turn has shifted the onus of providing guarantees to Dassault, which initially refused before agreeing to help HAL adhere to the delivery schedule.

However, HAL has failed to take responsibility and guarantee the work of its sub vendors, which includes state-owned companies, including Bharat Electronics Ltd. (BEL), which would supply auxiliary systems, the Air Force sources said.

At the same time, the framework governing work share has not been finalized because the Indian side wants a greater percentage of subsystems and auxiliary work in the license production deal. The French say HAL will need to absorb Western technologies, so the work share can increase only as the license production progresses, MoD sources said.

The Air Force, having suffered delays from HAL, is adamant that the delivery schedule is followed. Air Force sources say the delay in procurement of the fighter will severely affect the fleet strength of the force. The service had to search for a fighter aircraft in the overseas market because the homegrown light combat aircraft, proposed to replace Russian MiG fighters, is more than 15 years behind schedule.

MoD sources say the delay over the Rafale deal has led to a steep rise in the cost of the project — from an estimated $11 billion to more than $14 billion — due to inflation and a more than 20 percent fall in the value of the Indian rupee against the US dollar in the last three years.

The first request for information for the program was floated in December 2005, followed by a request for proposal in August 2007.

As part of the contract negotiations, the Indian MoD set up four subcommittees in the run up to the finalization of the deal with Dassault. These include subcommittees on technology of production, offsets, logistics and cost negotiations.

MoD sources said the Air Force’s tough stance and delivery guarantees have stalled the negotiations.

Rafale was shortlisted alongside the Eurofighter Typhoon after the first round of competition; the US-made F-16 and F/A-18, Sweden’s Gripen and Russia’s MiG-35 were ejected after the technical evaluation.

After the flight trials and life cycle cost phase, Rafale was selected due to its low cost. Contract negotiations began in early 2012, with the goal of signing a contract in the current financial year ending in March.

“The project, regarded as a prestigious project for the MoD, is not getting the right priority by the MoD,” said New Delhi-based defense analyst Nitin Mehta. “The ruling government could be seen as avoiding taking a decision on the big ticket project ahead of the general elections.”

India, Dassault Rafale Deal Appears Stalled | Defense News | defensenews.com
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Meanwhile Tejas gains IOC - II..........

Pakistani trolls celebrate that day of reckoning delayed by 1 - 11/2 year.
 
All are not verified news... Just a week ago they say 100% increase in the totall amount now 11 billion to 14 billion... What the hell is going on..... No matter what is happeneing i know for sure we're getting Rafale, there's no turn back now. soon after Rafale was selected Russian reports came out that India may drop buying Rafale because of the refusal to provide full TOT and so now no news from them that means deal is getting signed soon or there's no turn back from this program
 
All are not verified news... Just a week ago they say 100% increase in the totall amount now 11 billion to 14 billion... What the hell is going on..... No matter what is happeneing i know for sure we're getting Rafale, there's no turn back now. soon after Rafale was selected Russian reports came out that India may drop buying Rafale because of the refusal to provide full TOT and so now no news from them that means deal is getting signed soon or there's no turn back from this program

Fact is this govt. will NOT SIGN the deal. The defence minister lacks balls. Modiji will preside over this. Expect massive increase in defence spending as well.
 
The deal won't progress any further until general elections
 
Fact is this govt. will NOT SIGN the deal. The defence minister lacks balls. Modiji will preside over this. Expect massive increase in defence spending as well.

I'm waiting for Modi to come to power, I can't wait to cast my vote to BJP for the first time. I don't think antony has any problem signing,he's going anyway this is the right time for him to sign the deal get more votes and screw the next goverment coming to power. maybe the deal is struck with other issues...
 
Nothing will be clear until the elections.
 
Fact is this govt. will NOT SIGN the deal. The defence minister lacks balls. Modiji will preside over this. Expect massive increase in defence spending as well.


No, current defence spending is enough, around 2.5% of our GDP. Anything more is not adequate considering the CAD and the financial needs for other things.
 
I think the asking for the license production of the entire platform is stupid idea.Instead India should have bought the platforms off the shelf from the OEM,Dassault in this case.This practice of licence manufacturing has served us no good-we have been license producing tanks and fighters for long.Did it help us in any way when developing our own tank or fighter??Answer is No.
The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non- The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non- The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non- The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non-existent.
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Delayed or postponed or discarded? 14 billion or 18 billion or 30 billion? 126 or 189 or 206? HAL only or Reliance as well? Full ToT or only partial? This fiscal or the next? Silver bullet or gold plated lemon?

'We dance round a ring and suppose,
But the truth sits in the middle and knows.'

Please use the sticky Rafale thread for all these speculations, until and unless something concrete turns up.
 
India Airforce should buy more su30mki 's and upgrade the current su30mki fleet with the same amount of money instead of buying raFAIL.
 
I hope the deal is cancelled and an additional 100 Super Sukhois are ordered instead.
 
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