India can’t defeat Pakistan or China in war

[Jackdaws]

Yes quora is not a news source what about yours? What is your news source? At least i made screenshots from a detailed research.

LOL - I did not give any news. How can I give news source to an event that did not occur?

 

[Fledgingwings]

I think its inappropriate to say who will win and who wont.if the war erupts it shall be hell for all..nothing and no one will remain untouched and undone.

 

[Danishwer]

Yes

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India can’t defeat Pakistan or China in war
March 25, 2017

Book says Pakistan a military power while India a military force

NEW DELHI: To provoke a somnolent establishment into action, your message has to be blunt. There cannot be a more blunt warning to India’s political leadership and defence establishment than what Pravin Sawhney and Ghazala Wahab have delivered in their admirable and unsparing book Dragon On Our Doorstep: Managing China Through Military Power. Let alone China, India cannot even win a war against Pakistan.

This has been stated in an Indian media’s review of the book.

One of their key arguments is that the political leadership has to improve their understanding of military matters and involve the views of defence forces while making critical national security decisions. Another provocative take is that the Indian army is a bloated force and has to shed flab, by reducing the number of personnel at its disposal. They call for a review of both field force and non-field force in the army in order to move towards professionalism. The authors also want the army to disengage itself from counter-insurgency operations, a task at best left to paramilitary forces, and regain its edge to do its primary task- fight the enemy.

Dragon On Our Doorstep could be a little misleading title since the authors are not only discussing the China threat but India’s defence strategy. In full play is Pakistan, Kashmir and the red menace, the greatest threat India is facing, as former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh put it. Sawhney and Wahab say that in terms of threat, Pakistan is China and China is Pakistan, pointing out especially the ‘inter-operability’ that both military forces have achieved.

So despite the strongman Narendra Modi at the helm, why can’t India defeat Pakistan in a war? Sawhney and Wahab make a critical distinction to win their argument. Pakistan has built military power, India a military force. And they explain: “Military force involves the mere collection of war-withal, that is, building up of troops and war-waging material; military power is about optimal utilization of military force. It entails an understanding of the adversaries and the quantum of threat from each, the nature of warfare, domains of war, how it would be fought, and structural military reforms at various levels to meet these challenges.”

Sawhney and Wahab write that the political leadership which would decide the terms of war engagement understands neither nuclear weapons nor military power. “Its responses would be slow, tardy, ad hoc and piecemeal rather than bold and substantive if the countries were to go to war.” What else makes Indian defence forces vulnerable? Since the defence forces are outside the government, they have little interaction with the political leadership in peacetime and little say in the acquisition of conventional weapons. The defence services have little knowledge and understanding of their own nuclear weapons and Pakistan’s nuclear redlines. As India does not have an efficient indigenous defence industry, war supplies are not assured. All these, for an average reader, sound pretty scary.

There is more in store. Sawhney and Wahab write that the Indian Air Force has critical deficiencies in combat aircraft, training aircraft, simulators, air defence and network-centricity. “Most of all, the joint-ness in operations between the army and the air force, which is a critical requirement at the operational level for a short and swift, war is absent. This was obvious from the last localized Kargil conflict that the two services fought together. Instead of a single operation, the army’s operation was named Vijay, while the IAF campaign was called Safed Sagar.”

The authors also examine India’s foreign policy in relation to China and Pakistan and criticise Modi for his failure in not rising as a statesman prime minister to transform India into a leading power. Modi’s foreign policy, the authors say, is more optics than substance.

They say that ‘Act East, Think West’ policy is hampered by the perennial failures in strategic thinking and a lack of appreciation for military power. They pick on India’s foreign aid policy and say that if our neighbours are neither deferential nor deterrent there is something amiss. Sawhaney and Wahab argue that aid is seldom given to fulfill the needs of the recipient. It is given to meet the requirements — strategic in the case of nations- of the giver. And if the requirements are not met, you increase the aid or diversify it. They also say that India is the only country in the world where foreign policy with nations having disputed borders — China and Pakistan — is made with regard to military advice. All these criticisms should rile the defence establishment and the bureaucrats who have straitjacketed India’s foreign policy.

The other strong and significant argument that Sawhney and Wahab put forward is that the government of India should open unconditional talks with everyone alienated from the national mainstream, irrespective of their professed public positions. They caution that even the biggest of powers have not been able to withstand internal discord because they understand that the financial and military effort required to keep it in check debilitates the nation in the long run. Sawhney and Wahab are absolutely justified when the say that if India is able to win over the tribal population of central India and the people from the northeastern states, it will be able to free up a substantive number of its soldiers from internal stability and counter-insurgency operations.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/194385-India-cant-defeat-Pakistan-or-China-in-war

Despite all the bluster on the net IF india could defeat Pakistan in a war they would have launched a full scale military assault against us after Mumbai 2008 or Uri 2016. The fact that they didn't tells us exactly how much the indian military high command are aware of Pakistan's REAL military capabilities. That too despite the fact that india is at least 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege.

Just because India keeps restraints to its actions this does not mean You are more powerful. India had spent only 12% of ammunition while Pakistan was only left with 2 days of ammunition. And you could have then asked US and China to help you protect against India.

The same you still do. You have no guts to fight with India this is why every time you involve China. Are you guys not ashamed?

If any of what you said is true than why didn't india launch a military assault against Pakistan after mumbai 2008 or Uri 2016?

That too when india is at least 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. That is the biggest shame......lol.....

 

[foxtrot1]

If any of what you said is true than why didn't india launch a military assault against Pakistan after mumbai 2008 or Uri 2016?

Dude one side you claim to have caught some James Bond known as Kulbhushan and prove India's involvement in hurting Pak.

Now you are saying India did nothing.

Stay with one narrative.

Thank you!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

hey look indians spreading their propaganda and thinking they are invincible hahhahahahhaha they cant feed their soldiers right despite having more then 5x budget then us

now back to topic 1948 pakistan won prove 40% of kashmir
1965 we won prove
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how pakistan's small army with little budget and out dated weapons was able to defeat india in 1965 war?
and for 1971 war you cant even defeat us without the help of the KGB and was still unable to capture a single piece of land and for KGB we destroyed USSR and divided it into 11 parts
1999 kargil pakistan won prove LOC signed by your leaders in 2003

yeah have a good day defeating us in your dream we know your every next move

and for economy what economy served you in those war
you have 67 separatist movement you cant even control situation in your country 700k soldiers in kashmir and cant even control its situation

All the above despite the fact that india is at least 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. We are the ONLY NATION in all recorded human history to be able to do the above against am enemy that is more than 7x bigger than us

Dude one side you claim to have caught some James Bond known as Kulbhushan and prove India's involvement in hurting Pak.

Now you are saying India did nothing.

Stay with one narrative.

Thank you!

You are only doing things covertly and are powerless to launch an outright attack on us despite being 7x bigger than Pakistan and having abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege......lol.... That too despite the fact that all of india is desperate to launch an outright attack against Pakistan. Also, india isn't the only 1 launching covert operations against it's enemies........

 

[Shaitan]

you think Pakistan and china can defeat US India japan & Nato

how come u assume US, Japan and NATO fight along side with india?
u r not oil producing country

 

[foxtrot1]

You are only doing things covertly and are powerless to launch an outright attack on us despite being 7x bigger than Pakistan and having abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege......lol.... That too despite the fact that all of india is desperate to launch an outright attack against Pakistan. Also, india isn't the only 1 launching covert operations against it's enemies........

what kind of common sense less post is this?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

what kind of common sense less post is this?

On the contrary, it is the MOST pertinent and common sensical fact that NO ONE can deny or argue against. Despite the fact of however painful it may seem to our enemies.

 

[MIR RAZA HUSSAIN]

you think Pakistan and china can defeat US India japan & Nato

Yes we can and Japan has no issues with Pakistan plus Japan and Pakistan have very close trade tie and both are very friendly with each other and for NATO many NATO countries are friends with Pakistan and China plus they have trade ties with both Pakistan and China so i dont think NATO will get involved now as for US if they try the stupidity to attack China or Pakistan then it will destroy US because in case of "US attack on China or Pakistan, all China has to do is take back his loan given to US and pull out its investments in US then US economy will fall dawn very badly and with out killing any soldier US will be defeated easily now only endia left to deal with as even endian army knows they can not win war with either Pakistan or China yet fighting them collectively will make endia suffer more and if endia try to use Japan against China it would not work either cause China has advanced his army alot and now Chines army is more Superior to Japan in terms of arms and number of soldiers plus Pakistan can use his friendship with both countries to convince them for not fighting each other.

ENDIANS CAN ONLY DREAM

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

how come u assume US, Japan and NATO fight along side with india?
u r not oil producing country

The Americans and Japanese will not risk their soldiers or people for a nation of whom they regard as being "lesser" and "inferior" to themselves. If they didn't think that then they would have publicly proclaimed or signed a treaty clearly stating that they would come to the rescue of india should they be attacked by China.

 

[Contract Killer]

Nothing more to say

 

[MIR RAZA HUSSAIN]

US can Out match you every time they want

Few B-52 ,B-2 with Nukes will do there job

Pakistan is not afghanistan or Iraq and neither Syria here enemies do come but they don't see home again.
talking about B-52 and B-2 our air force is neither sleeping nor they are having bengals in their hands.

Who are you you think India will come alone Moment threat arises we join NAto

lol cry baby will run to NATO for saving them self and hoping that NATO will come to fight for them
buhaa haa what a joke

 

[GR!FF!N]

Post any articles you want if it makes you happy this is a free forum.
Most Bangladeshis are Anti-Hasina not just the ones on this forum.
The word Islamists is made by Anti-muslim bigots,Maybe if you stopped using such terms you can improve your relations with them. Maybe

I thought an election is the best way to determine it,don't you think??

A PM who has formed back to back governments and actually demolished BNP and Islamist parties in 2008(even if you don't consider 2014 election),don't you think a bit of moronic to say "Most Bangladeshis are Anti-Hasina not just the ones on this forum"??

We're not seeing massive rallies against Hasina Govt in Bangladesh.We're not seeing people are demanding this PM to resign and conduct another round of election even after 2014(Because they knew BNP boycotted it to save faces. And after conviction of its leaders in corruption related cases,it is a dying party now.Its a cheap trick they played,Communists in West Bengal played same trick around that time when they saw that it'll be a landslide victory of TMC).

 

[foxtrot1]

On the contrary, it is the MOST pertinent and common sensical fact that NO ONE can deny or argue against. Despite the fact of however painful it may seem to our enemies.

you are good in contradicting your narrative.