In border row, Pakistan shows US vulnerability

[third eye]

What the Pakistanis are saying and the Indians refuse to listen is that the American 'aid' is not aid to Pakistan, but bribes to politicians.

If we replace the corrupt politicians with honest leaders who fix the tax system, there will be no need for American 'aid'.

But as long as we have the current lineup then, yes, we are utterly dependent on American 'aid'.

Why blame politicians alone ?

The deal was institutionalized by Mush in his time.

 

[Jackdaws]

What the Pakistanis are saying and the Indians refuse to listen is that the American 'aid' is not aid to Pakistan, but bribes to politicians.

If we replace the corrupt politicians with honest leaders who fix the tax system, there will be no need for American 'aid'.

But as long as we have the current lineup then, yes, we are utterly dependent on American 'aid'.

If the crop of Pakistani leaders in inept and corrupt - what can the Indians do? Let's not forget that Indian leaders are corrupt as well - but there is some kind of accountability - in Pakistan, I see none.

 

[Developereo]

Why blame politicians alone ?

The deal was institutionalized by Mush in his time.

The blame for tax evasion (and consequent dependence on foreign aid) lies with everybody: the civilian politicians, military and even the common man.

If the crop of Pakistani leaders in inept and corrupt - what can the Indians do? Let's not forget that Indian leaders are corrupt as well - but there is some kind of accountability - in Pakistan, I see none.

That is indeed our misfortune. Complicity by all involved.

 

[Zee-Gen]

So simply put.

What 'services' are we talking of here?

Allowing ur own citizens to be killed and accepting money for the same is services!!!

Good luck.

I am in fact was replying to your “aid” theory……..by the way what is the norm in India for “citizens” who kill other now a days…...?????......a killer is a killer, citizen or no citizen……and my Indian friend don’t turn the discussion to other track. We will discuss this “services” in an appropriate thread. I was referring to logistic “services”…..and when “our own citizens” being killed deliberately, we have every right to withdraw and to protest by any means possible…..period.

 

[third eye]

I am in fact was replying to your “aid” theory……..by the way what is the norm in India for “citizens” who killed other now a days…...?????......a killer is a killer, citizen or no citizen……and my Indian friend don’t turn the discussion to other track. We will discuss this “services” in an appropriate thread. I was referring to logistic “services”…..and when “our own citizens” being killed deliberately, we have every right to withdraw and to protest by any means possible…..period.

Refer post 12 above.

It is not my aid theory.

The point my friend is that the killing are the responsibility of GOP & no one else. The intel is provided by them, the tacit approval is given by the Govt.

The US only pays for the damage it does. GOP is by now almost hooked on the 'aid' drug and shall need a long rehab programme to get de toxed and live within its own means.

The earlier it starts the better.

 

[Donatello]

Why are Indian members posting their rant when they have no understanding of Pak-US relations, which Richard Foolbroke recently described as the most complicated he has ever seen?

 

[Perceptron]

Why are Indian members posting their rant when they have no understanding of Pak-US relations, which Richard Foolbroke recently described as the most complicated he has ever seen?

So do you yourself have a complete picture including the behind-the-scene happenings going on in the US-Pakistan affair ? And do you know any better then McChrystal, about what has been ISI's complicity in abetting the Hekmatyar group ?

Do read up more on this for your information.

 

[fatman17]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2010


Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan seeks formal apology following NATO helicopter attack

Farhan Bokhari JDW Correspondent - Islamabad

Pakistani officials sought a formal apology from NATO on 1 October, a day after suspending the alliance's supply lines to Afghanistan, following a NATO helicopter attack that killed three Pakistani paramilitary soldiers on 30 September.

The latest flare-up in ties between Pakistan and its Western partners was prompted after two helicopters belonging to NATO's Afghanistan-based International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) fired at a Pakistani paramilitary post close to the Afghan border.

NATO defence officials in Islamabad have denied that the helicopters flew inside Pakistan's territory in response to Pakistani claims of a border violation.

The decision to suspend the facility for supply trucks to be driven from the southern Pakistani coast to the border post of Torkhum in the Khyber-Pashtunkhwa province, formerly known as the North West Frontier Province, marked what one Pakistani government official described as "NATO's breach of an inviolable red line".

The official added: "We will never tolerate either boots on the ground or aircraft crossing over to our territory and killing our people, especially those in the front line of fighting the same terrorists that everyone wants to be eliminated."

In a related development on 1 October at least 27 trucks carrying fuel and other supplies were set on fire near the city of Shikarpur in southern Pakistan. The incident highlighted the growing danger to NATO supplies being transported through Pakistan.

In Islamabad a NATO defence official told Jane's that the dispute between Pakistan and NATO presents the alliance with a growing challenge. "NATO has tried to find alternative supply routes to Afghanistan through Central Asia. The truth, however, is that Pakistan still hosts the large bulk of these supplies. Without Pakistan, there will be a logistical nightmare for us in Afghanistan," he said.

On the day of the helicopter attack, Pakistan's Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying: "Pakistan strongly condemns the strike by NATO/ISAF helicopters on the Frontier Scouts [a detachment of paramilitary soldiers] security outpost and demands immediate and full explanation of this serious incident. Incursions and strikes of this nature are not only unacceptable but could oblige Pakistan to consider response options."

The ministry added: "Such incidents create serious misgivings and thus defeat the very basis of co-operation in pursuit of the common objective of combating terrorism. The UN mandate for ISAF is confined to Afghanistan and NATO/ISAF forces are again advised to refrain from any actions that constitute a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty."

A Pakistani Foreign Ministry official told Jane's that "Pakistan seeks not only a public apology from NATO, but also the firm understanding that such an incident will not be repeated before we can overcome this crisis - and from our point of view, this is a crisis".