'Imposing Hindi like setting a warehouse on fire': Tamil Nadu opposes Centre's three-language policy

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

Any Pakistani who bash Indian govt actions are munafiqs then. Plain and simple. Hypocrisy is something that takes hold on all of us. With what aukaat do you have the courtesy of bashing some other government when our own government does the same. And why don't we bash our own government for suppressing regional languages in favor of Urdu???. Little boys like you don't understand that.

Sorry my bad, I didn't knew I was engaging with a dumb f. So now, I have taken that into consideration and I will respond in a way, you best understand. Who the f are you to tell other Pakistani's that they have no right to bash Indian govt. here? Gtfo here shiter, go play candy crush or something. Brain-damaged mentally retarded f, when you make one language to be a national language obviously it get's promoted compared to other regional languages. But it doesn't mean they are vanished and suppressed into extinction. If your parents made a choice not to teach you language or manners(judging by the response), thats not because of Pakistan suppressing regional languages and promoting only Urdu. It was your parents/ your choice to follow that path. So get your facts right and learn some manners.

@waz @The Eagle @Dubious This will obviously get escalated, so just tagging in advance. Wasn't trying to reply in this manner but I was instigated to do so.

 

[Nilgiri]

No language is imposed over the other. It'll be easier for communication if people are bilingual especially in a country like India. Some Tamils are language crazies even they don't speak the senthamizh (chenthamizh ) they talk in a dialect otoh it's subtle.

@Nilgiri why do you use the word senthamizh instead of Chentamizh I thought that was original. But interestingly most Tamil people I know say it's senthamizh.


paya... unak tamile teriyath, tiruttu moonji.

It is because we have no letter for "s"....so its written with "ch" letter.

Saying "chentamizh" (literally as written) just sounds wrong in modern parlance heh. I suppose we tamils just got lazy in keeping the original "ch" sound orally...but your malayalis are much more classical that way.

Same reason for sollu vs chollu etc.

 

[manlion]

So, why Tamils voted the Hindutva ally of BJP (AIADMK) headed by a Hindu Brahmin (Jayalalitha) to power and support BJP in 2014?

I like these name calling, Sanghi, Ayyar, Northie Sanghi. Anything else?

all the above have been discussed umpteen times in PDF , see my post from #13 on wards in the thread

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/india-election-2019-pm-narendra-modis-tamil-nadu-problem.620002/

I hate repeating my self to sanghi

malayalis have a long history of compromising with all invaders (aryans/Arabs/Syrians etc) who landed on their shores, refer - sanbandham culture inaugurated by namboothiris (aryan) , arabs - (moplas) . That explains why mallus hybrid mix and their tendency to be pro aryan India and anti dravidian Tamil. Mallu and Hindi hatred for Tamils is well documented as Tamils presence torments their past history (Aryan vs Dravidian)

 

[Respect4Respect01]

well, I can't say for every school but majority of the schools don't teach in regional languages. Urdu and English are taught in schools because national and official languages respective, they aren't usually the maternal languages. I assume that government schools still explain tough concepts of Urdu, English and other subjects in their regional languages, because children pick that up way faster.

i understand, two weeks ago it was in the news that Sindh made it mandatory to all schools to teach Sindhi. In my personal opinion we should teach our regional languages too before they go extinct and i see many people are ashamed to teach children their mother tongue.

 

[manlion]

Why must it be an aryan brahmin again ? History repeats in 1965 , it was Congress brahmin Rajaji who tried to impose Hindi in Tamilnadu, 2019 its BJP's brahmin Kasturi .....


Non-Hindi states protest on social media over centre’s draft education plan #StopHindiImposition

In Tamil Nadu, where the subject has long been a highly emotive issue, politicians slammed the Hindi-focused recommendations by an expert panel led by Krishnaswamy Kasturirangan, a former chief of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO).

DMK leader MK Stalin said, “I warn BJP any such move will cause them a huge disaster” and MDMK leader Vaiko said that language impositions would create a “language war”.

Tamil Nadu has opposed Hindi since the pre-independence era, in the 1965’s the issue triggered riots and killed over 70 people. Therefore, the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru made an assurance saying that Hindi will not be imposed on non-Hindi speaking states till they want and English would continue as a link language.

The BJPs’ 2014 manifesto makes a promise of new education policy.

Below are a few reactions from social media on the subject :-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134831526355451905

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134779748318453761

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134766896836825089

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134802040666767360

 

[Vikki]

well, I can't say for every school but majority of the schools don't teach in regional languages. Urdu and English are taught in schools because national and official languages respective, they aren't usually the maternal languages. I assume that government schools still explain tough concepts of Urdu, English and other subjects in their regional languages, because children pick that up way faster.



It popped up on the 'all latest replies tab' on the right, thought it would be interesting so decided to check it out.



Yeah, was mad on some other thing and I guess I directed that aggression here.

You people are either very liberal or lacking self respect...try to remove a regional language from any state in India and see what ruckus it creates...even all the schools that have English as language of instruction have regional language as one of the subjects.

 

[manlion]

You people are either very liberal or lacking self respect...try to remove a regional language from any state in India and see what ruckus it creates...even all the schools that have English as language of instruction have regional language as one of the subjects.

states in India were formed along linguistic divide. Apart from Tamilnadu (and W Bengal to some extend ) no other Indian states had opposed Hindi or sacrificed its citizens for their language (unless you can prove me wrong) during its inception

Tamilnadu's Hindi apposition history goes back to 1930s. Recently, Karnataka has shown some limited resistance but no longer with Hindutva forces winning Karnataka election. States such as Kerala (Arunachal Pradesh etc) has lapped up Hindi without any opposition.

The reason why Tamils oppose Hindi or Sanskrit are varied nothing to do with chauvinism, no language in India has an ancient rich history like Tamil

Anti-Hindi agitations of Tamil Nadu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations_of_Tamil_Nadu

off topic - Pakistan should promote Brahui a dravidian language , more research needed on Brahui

in sindhi

 

[Chhatrapati]

all the above have been discussed umpteen times in PDF , see my post from #13 on wards in the thread

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/india-election-2019-pm-narendra-modis-tamil-nadu-problem.620002/

I hate repeating my self to sanghi

malayalis have a long history of compromising with all invaders (aryans/Arabs/Syrians etc) who landed on their shores, refer - sanbandham culture inaugurated by namboothiris (aryan) , arabs - (moplas) . That explains why mallus hybrid mix and their tendency to be pro aryan India and anti dravidian Tamil. Mallu and Hindi hatred for Tamils is well documented as Tamils presence torments their past history (Aryan vs Dravidian)

Oh yeah, so you don't have a proper answer direct me to BS articles. I asked a simple question, if Hindutva was Tamil Nadus problem then why, a predominantly Hindu region elected a brahman lady. And let her side with BJP?
Or congress, both are North Parties. If TN was hell bent on separating, why you don't see any issue of separatists demanding independence? Why there is no CRPF to handle the security situation? Because there is none, zilch and are too insignificant that can be handled by Tamils themselves.

You only know the language issue and not the caste issue. i.e the goundars, nadars, vanniyars, sc/st etc... and people who vote based on them rather than some nationalist parties who usually try to forget the issue of caste.
To know all that, you need to be a proper Tamil and not Google Tamil.

 

[pothead]

I asked a simple question, if Hindutva was Tamil Nadus problem then why, a predominantly Hindu region elected a brahman lady. And let her side with BJP?
Or congress, both are North Parties.

Oh no, you should not expose their duplicity.

All DMK's leaders kids study in schools which has Hindi.
Most DMK leaders names are Sanskrit, KarunaNidhi, the clowns don't even know that the name is not Tamil.
Oh Oh DayaNidhi, another Sanskrit name. I can go on.

These clowns are against NEET but forget that NEET was brought in 2012 where Chiddu was the one fighting for it in SC. The then DMK party, including Stalin supported the move.
Mining was approved by Cong, under ManMohan but hey, let us all forget the facts.

Oh Oh Oh, who can forget JalliKattu, do we all remember who went to courts and got it banned?

These Vatican clowns think we Hindus don't understand the game.

We have a game in play and when the hammer falls, these Vatical clowns will be scampering like rats to save their hynees.

 

[manlion]

Parties warn against imposition of Hindi

"The Centre should not think, even in a distant dream, about implementing the three-language policy by sabotaging the existing two-language policy. The Centre’s greed will be self-damaging," said DMK president M.K. Stalin. He said his party will not hesitate to launch another massive protest against the imposition of Hindi. Alleging that the policy was drafted with the motive of imposing Hindi on non-Hindi-speaking States, Mr. Stalin said one should not forget the promise of former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru that English would be the link language and Hindi would not be imposed as long as non-Hindi-speaking States were against it.

Expressing shock over the three-language policy, PMK founder S. Ramadoss said it was unacceptable to impose Hindi on T.N. students. He expressed satisfaction with the CM’s letter to the Centre opposing the move and School Education Minister K.A. Sengottaiyan’s assertion that the two-language policy will continue in T.N. At present, schools in the State teach English and Tamil.

MDMK leader Vaiko said if Hindi was imposed, there will be an explosion of anti-Hindi protests in Tamil Nadu, this time with much greater vigour and intensity. He said the entire education policy had paved the way for the government giving up its responsibility and allowing the private sector to take over the education industry.

"Three languages policy is nothing but imposition of Hindi. I have pointed out that even in the BJP's manifesto there was a hint for imposition of Hindi," former Union Minister P. Chidambaram tweeted.

Actor-politician Kamal Haasan said he was of the view that no language should be imposed on anyone. CPI(M) State secretary K. Balakrishnan and CPI State secretary R. Mutharasan also urged the Centre to drop the proposal for a three-language policy.

"Three languages policy is nothing but imposition of Hindi. I have pointed out that even in the BJP's manifesto there was a hint for imposition of Hindi," former Union Minister P. Chidambaram tweeted.

Actor-politician Kamal Haasan said he was of the view that no language should be imposed on anyone. CPI(M) State secretary K. Balakrishnan and CPI State secretary R. Mutharasan also urged the Centre to drop the proposal for a three-language policy.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...ainst-imposition-of-hindi/article27402204.ece

 

[Pandora]

For all the Pakistanis here. Let's not forget that Urdu has been emposed on every province since Pakistan's inception. And it has been given priority over regional languages in the country. It's gotten to the point that new generations of children in Punjab and Sindh barely speak Punjabi, potthari, saraeki, Sindhi, and other languages anymore.

And for anyone claiming that I'm some Urdu hating person. Just so you all know. Urdu is my first language. My mum is pakhtun and my father is kashmiri raj put. But we spoke Urdu only in the house. My mum forbade anything other than Urdu.

Urdu was never imposed on any province. One language was chosen as national language to promote sense of unity. Urdu was the language of minorities yet it was accepted by punjabis, sindhis, pashtun and baloch alike. Whereas hindi is spoken by majority in India yet being enforced on minorities so you are comparing apples and oranges here. Imagine if at the time of independence Punjabis was chosen as national language, would any other province have accepted that decision? Urdu has brought has together and promoted unity not divide. I have a question if urdu was not declared official language then how would kids of today would be communicating with each other? Pakistan never restricted use of other languages unlike India where minority languages are being silenced in this very attempt.

@Topic

Modi is the best thing that has ever happened for Pakistan. He has managed to do in 5 years which Pakistan and ISI couldn't achieve in last 7 decades . All hail MODI i really hope Indians elect him until he kicks the bucket.

 

[manlion]

Oh yeah, so you don't have a proper answer direct me to BS articles. I asked a simple question, if Hindutva was Tamil Nadus problem then why, a predominantly Hindu region elected a brahman lady. And let her side with BJP? Or congress, both are North Parties. .

are you for nuts ?

Jayalalithaa did not come to power on her own credentials or caste. She was a famous actress who rode on MGR (Malayali and ex actor turned Tamilnadu CM) popularity to gain power. Tamils saw her as the heir endorsed by MGR, it has nothing to do with her brahmin caste. Plus in public she never displayed her caste, but projected herself as a Periyarist.

Proud Tamilian born in Karnataka, Jayalalithaa had a long history with Kannadiga activists

Despite her birthplace and love for the Kannada language, Jayalalithaa identified herself as a Tamil woman

"They were yelling all kinds of abusive chants and every one of them carried a weapon of some sort," Anandan recalled
“We (all journalists) surrounded her in one corner of the room when the protestors entered,” Anandan said. When they started demanding that she apologise for her earlier statements on Kannadigas, Panthulu came forward and asked Jayalalithaa to do so to end the tense situation.

“I am a Tamil girl, not a Kannada girl,” Jayalalithaa said loudly, refusing to apologise even as protestors gathered around her.

https://www.thenewsminute.com/artic...aa-had-long-history-kannadiga-activists-53889

I am sure Mallu MGR had the same sentiments

Show an instance where she sided with BJP

If TN was hell bent on separating, why you don't see any issue of separatists demanding independence? Why there is no CRPF to handle the security situation? Because there is none, zilch and are too insignificant that can be handled by Tamils themselves.

A challenge to coward hind'ians - try removing draconian laws e.g AFSPA etc or the Sedition act, see the result.

You only know the language issue and not the caste issue. i.e the goundars, nadars, vanniyars, sc/st etc... and people who vote based on them rather than some nationalist parties who usually try to forget the issue of caste.
To know all that, you need to be a proper Tamil and not Google Tamil.

This is how sanghis try to undermine Tamils , playing caste politics. You seem to have a zilch knowledge on Dravidian ideology whose 3 main enemies are Hinduism, caste system and Hindi.

Please ask PMK leader, why caste didnt help his son and his PMK candidates win a single lok sabha seat in their kongu nadu, vanniyar bastion.

Expressing shock over the three-language policy, PMK founder S. Ramadoss said it was unacceptable to impose Hindi on T.N.

its not caste or religion, its race and language that unites Tamil, now get it programmed into your head

For your attention - hope you know who they are and which country this is

Tamil nationalism transcends national boundaries, caste or religion

Mauritius Tamil community stops banknote alteration, 1998

On November 18, one month after the initial release of the new banknotes, the government of Prime Minister Navinchandra Ramgoolam asked the central bank to withdraw the notes from circulation. The Bank of Mauritius complied, representing a victory for the Tamil. The reprinting of the banknotes cost more than 50 million rupees, or more than 2 billion USD.

https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/mauritius-tamil-community-stops-banknote-alteration-1998

 

[manlion]

summarizes Tamilnadus stand vs other south states to Hindi imposition

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134815550750769152

 

[manlion]

They speak Tamil but they are not Tamils just like Marathi Rajnikanth claiming to be Tamil

Tamil-Speaking Ministers Join Firefight As Anti-Hindi Uproar Swells
Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and Foreign Minister S Jaishankar posted identical messages on Twitter, assuring that the draft will be reviewed before implementation.

NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS

1. 
   
   
   • Nirmala Sitharaman, S Jaishankar tweet on National Education Policy Draft
   • Promise that government will seek feedback before implementing
   • Draft, accused of trying to push Hindi in schools, provoked outrage

Hindi will not be thrust upon any state, the government said on Sunday, stepping up its damage control amid a controversy over the draft version of the National Education Policy 2019, which is seen by many in the southern states as an attempt to impose Hindi on school students.

Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and Foreign Minister S Jaishankar posted identical messages on Twitter, assuring that the draft will be reviewed before implementation. Both the ministers are from Tamil Nadu - the state which has been loudest in its objections - and their tweets were in Tamil.

The chorus against the policy refused to die down on Sunday, with Karnataka Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy and Congress lawmaker from Kerala Shashi Tharoor issuing warnings against the forced imposition of the Hindi language on South Indian states, a sentiment previously expressed by former Finance Minister P Chidambaram and DMK leader MK Stalin among others.

"Only after hearing public opinion the draft policy will be implemented. Only to nurture all Indian languages PM launched EkBharatSreshthaBharat. The Centre would support to honour and develop the ancient Tamil language," tweeted Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, not ruling out implementation of the controversial draft note.

The assurances followed explanations from the Union Education Minister Ramesh Pokhriyal and his predecessor Prakash Javadekar a day ago that did not appear to quell the concerns.

Its not clear if the public opinion/feedback they talk about would be made state-wise for specific state-wise decisions or will it be across the country in general.

"Most of us in the South learn Hindi as a second language but nobody in the North is learning Malayalam or Tamil," Mr Tharoor was quoted as saying by news agency ANI.

His comment appeared to be a rebuttal to defenders of the draft NEP like Karnataka BJP leader Tejasvi Surya who said the policy also encourages students in Hindi-speaking states to learn languages from other states.

It sparked a popular campaign on social media on Saturday, with thousands of people protesting what was seen by many as an effort to make Hindi mandatory till Class 8.

The issue of Hindi becoming a mandatory subject across schools in South India is an emotive one, particularly in Tamil Nadu; the region saw anti-Hindi protests from 1937 to 1940 and again in 1965.

The incident led to an assurance by the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru that Hindi will not be imposed on non-Hindi speaking states till they want and English would continue as a link language.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/hin...itharaman-s-jaishankar-join-firefight-2046912

 

[nahtanbob]

Urdu was never imposed on any province. One language was chosen as national language to promote sense of unity.

Any reason why the East Pakistanis left you