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'If India is in the wrong, should we follow suit?': IHC top judge berates PTA over social media rules
Tahir Naseer | Nadir GuramaniUpdated 04 Dec 2020
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IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah speaks at a ceremony.

IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah speaks at a ceremony.
The Islamabad High Court on Friday lashed out at the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) over the recently approved social media rules, saying that "if India was in the wrong, should we follow suit?"
IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah made the remarks in response to an argument by the PTA counsel. He was hearing a petition by the Pakistan Bar Council (PBC) pertaining to the recently approved rules titled, “Removal and Blocking of Unlawful Online Content (Procedure, Oversight and Safeguards) Rules 2020” (RBUOC). The PBC argued that it seemed the new rules contradicted some articles of the Constitution.
Justice Minallah said that if the new rules "discourage criticism, it would discourage accountability". Criticism, the judge said, is very important for democracy.
He also cautioned that if the authorities "ban criticism in the 21st century, it would lead to damage".
"Who recommended the introduction of such rules and which authority approved them?" asked the IHC top judge, adding that the "government or any law was not exempt from criticism". The PTA counsel, however, said that letters had been written to PBC and other lawyers' bodies for their recommendations.
"These rules are also highlighting a mindset," the judge remarked.
"Even court decisions can be criticised [but] fair trial should not be impacted," said Justice Minallah. "When court decisions become public, [their] criticism does not even lead to contempt of court [charges]."
Justice Minallah directed the PTA to take the PBC's objections into account and convince the court that the new rules are not contrary to Article 19 and 19(A) of the Constitution in the next hearing. The case was adjourned until December 18.
'Digital dictatorship'
The recently approved rules have sparked anger and condemnation from stakeholders, including internet service providers as well as digital rights activists, who have termed them as draconian and a violation of cyber laws of the country.
In a statement today, PPP information secretary Nafeesa Shah termed the rules as "illegal and unconstitutional" and demanded that they be withdrawn. Shah accused the "fascist" government of wanting to "impose an online, digital dictatorship" in the country and said that the new rules were being introduced to impose restrictions on the media and silence the opposition.
"From journalists and opposition to a layman, [everyone] who shares material critical of the government, will be a target of censorship," she said. "The government's step is equivalent to shutting down digital media companies."
Shah said that the rules should be tabled before the Parliament.
The RBUOC rules have placed all the internet service providers (ISPs) on a par with social media companies and all the requirements of the social media platforms have been applied to the ISPs as well.
The RBUOC rules have identified that the ISPs and the SMCs have to ensure public community guidelines for usage of any online system.
“Such community guidelines shall inform the user of the online system not to host, display, upload, modify, publish, transmit update or share any online content that belongs to another person and to which the user does not have any right. This is blasphemous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, paedophilic, invasive of another’s privacy, violates or affects religious, cultural, ethnical sensitive of Pakistani or harms minor in any way, impersonates another person or threatens the integrity, security, or defence of Pakistan or public order or causes incitement to any offence under PECA.”
Furthermore, social media companies will be required to provide the designated investigation agency with any information or data in decrypted, readable and comprehensible format. The rules prohibit live-streaming through the ISPs and the SMCs by deploying online mechanism, related to terrorism, extremism, hate speech, pornographic, incitement to violence and detrimental to national security.
The ISPs and the SMCs could be fined up to Rs500 million for failing to abide by the PTA's directives, while appeal against the decision can be filed in high court within 30 days of the PTA’s order.
Complaints against online content can be filed with the PTA by any aggrieved individual, federal, provincial or local government department, any state owned company, law enforcement or intelligence agency.
The rules have also indicated that a Data Protection Law is likely to be promulgated in Pakistan in the near future and the ISPs as well as the SMCs will have to establish database servers in the country once the law is enacted.
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Where? Any person who speaks ill of the judges is slapped with a contempt case.
Remember Athar Minallah is a Patwari judge who allowed Nawaz Sharif 8 weeks bail on health grounds and then forgot about him
 
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'If India is in the wrong, should we follow suit?': IHC top judge berates PTA over social media rules
Tahir Naseer | Nadir GuramaniUpdated 04 Dec 2020
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IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah speaks at a ceremony.

IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah speaks at a ceremony.
The Islamabad High Court on Friday lashed out at the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) over the recently approved social media rules, saying that "if India was in the wrong, should we follow suit?"
IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah made the remarks in response to an argument by the PTA counsel. He was hearing a petition by the Pakistan Bar Council (PBC) pertaining to the recently approved rules titled, “Removal and Blocking of Unlawful Online Content (Procedure, Oversight and Safeguards) Rules 2020” (RBUOC). The PBC argued that it seemed the new rules contradicted some articles of the Constitution.
Justice Minallah said that if the new rules "discourage criticism, it would discourage accountability". Criticism, the judge said, is very important for democracy.
He also cautioned that if the authorities "ban criticism in the 21st century, it would lead to damage".
"Who recommended the introduction of such rules and which authority approved them?" asked the IHC top judge, adding that the "government or any law was not exempt from criticism". The PTA counsel, however, said that letters had been written to PBC and other lawyers' bodies for their recommendations.
"These rules are also highlighting a mindset," the judge remarked.
"Even court decisions can be criticised [but] fair trial should not be impacted," said Justice Minallah. "When court decisions become public, [their] criticism does not even lead to contempt of court [charges]."
Justice Minallah directed the PTA to take the PBC's objections into account and convince the court that the new rules are not contrary to Article 19 and 19(A) of the Constitution in the next hearing. The case was adjourned until December 18.
'Digital dictatorship'
The recently approved rules have sparked anger and condemnation from stakeholders, including internet service providers as well as digital rights activists, who have termed them as draconian and a violation of cyber laws of the country.
In a statement today, PPP information secretary Nafeesa Shah termed the rules as "illegal and unconstitutional" and demanded that they be withdrawn. Shah accused the "fascist" government of wanting to "impose an online, digital dictatorship" in the country and said that the new rules were being introduced to impose restrictions on the media and silence the opposition.
"From journalists and opposition to a layman, [everyone] who shares material critical of the government, will be a target of censorship," she said. "The government's step is equivalent to shutting down digital media companies."
Shah said that the rules should be tabled before the Parliament.
The RBUOC rules have placed all the internet service providers (ISPs) on a par with social media companies and all the requirements of the social media platforms have been applied to the ISPs as well.
The RBUOC rules have identified that the ISPs and the SMCs have to ensure public community guidelines for usage of any online system.
“Such community guidelines shall inform the user of the online system not to host, display, upload, modify, publish, transmit update or share any online content that belongs to another person and to which the user does not have any right. This is blasphemous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, paedophilic, invasive of another’s privacy, violates or affects religious, cultural, ethnical sensitive of Pakistani or harms minor in any way, impersonates another person or threatens the integrity, security, or defence of Pakistan or public order or causes incitement to any offence under PECA.”
Furthermore, social media companies will be required to provide the designated investigation agency with any information or data in decrypted, readable and comprehensible format. The rules prohibit live-streaming through the ISPs and the SMCs by deploying online mechanism, related to terrorism, extremism, hate speech, pornographic, incitement to violence and detrimental to national security.
The ISPs and the SMCs could be fined up to Rs500 million for failing to abide by the PTA's directives, while appeal against the decision can be filed in high court within 30 days of the PTA’s order.
Complaints against online content can be filed with the PTA by any aggrieved individual, federal, provincial or local government department, any state owned company, law enforcement or intelligence agency.
The rules have also indicated that a Data Protection Law is likely to be promulgated in Pakistan in the near future and the ISPs as well as the SMCs will have to establish database servers in the country once the law is enacted.
EU is making rules for these tech giants so that they cant hold data of EU citizens... they are asking them to pay for the data they will hold and there is a threshold upto which they will be allowed to hold data on a single person...

Secondly Athar Minallah should know fake news and Islamophobia has to be countered and removed.. it shouldn't be on there anyway
 
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Having more control over social media is a step in the correct direction. Way too many buffoons are online, posting utter nonsense on social media. Not to mention algorithm running bots, that proliferate social media. Every yuppie with a twitter or instagram account is either a self-styled journalist, council, model, environmental activist, revolutionary or what have you. Heck even the television journalist in Pakistan today have an abismal record, with little to no proficiency on what journalism actually entails.
 
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EU is making rules for these tech giants so that they cant hold data of EU citizens... they are asking them to pay for the data they will hold and there is a threshold upto which they will be allowed to hold data on a single person...

Secondly Athar Minallah should know fake news and Islamophobia has to be countered and removed.. it shouldn't be on there anyway
We have defined freedom of speech or freedom of information or protecting personal information of citizen of state laws. But these judges pass the statement but never explain under what law or give any example.
 
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Having more control over social media is a step in the correct direction. Way too many buffoons are online, posting utter nonsense on social media. Not to mention algorithm running bots, that proliferate social media. Every yuppie with a twitter or instagram account is either a self-styled journalist, council, model, environmental activist, revolutionary or what have you. Heck even the television journalist in Pakistan today have an abismal record, with little to no proficiency on what journalism actually entails.

The answer to that is to educate our people with facts. Trying to become a facist state and brainwash them is dumb. So much money is wasted on promoting *** kissing of random politicians, we could use it to spread awareness of 5th gen warfare.

We are beginning to look like India and its fake map law.
 
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The answer to that is to educate our people with facts. Trying to become a facist state and brainwash them is dumb. So much money is wasted on promoting *** kissing of random politicians, we could use it to spread awareness of 5th gen warfare.

We are beginning to look like India and its fake map law.

Of course, but this ain't an "Egg or Chicken" scenario my dear friend. Been 73 years now, one would've thought education would long be handled by now. Heck a country like Sri Lanka has put us to shame when it comes to literacy and education. All due respect and admiration to the Island Nation, who proved it even though it had fought a hard civil war for over two decades.

So sure, education is pivotal, but having utter jahils running amok on social media isn't the way forward. Had Pakistan have a literacy rate of 80% or above (right now) then sure that "digital dictatorship" argument would've held sway. But given the state of Pakistan's mindset, I don't think so. Shut them up, then educate them, then once we are convinced that our people have been given quality education, jobs and a safe environment to flourish in. By that time, educated and sensible Pakistanis wouldn't even want to waste their precious time on something as mindless as social media.
 
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Of course, but this ain't an "Egg or Chicken" scenario my dear friend. Been 73 years now, one would've thought education would long be handled by now. Heck a country like Sri Lanka has put us to shame when it comes to literacy and education. All due respect and admiration to the Island Nation, who proved it even though it had fought a hard civil war for over two decades.

So sure, education is pivotal, but having utter jahils running amok on social media isn't the way forward. Had Pakistan have a literacy rate of 80% or above (right now) then sure that "digital dictatorship" argument would've held sway. But given the state of Pakistan's mindset, I don't think so. Shut them up, then educate them, then once we are convinced that our people have been given quality education, jobs and a safe environment to flourish in. By that time, educated and sensible Pakistanis wouldn't even want to waste their precious time on something as mindless as social media.

With the amount of corruption and complete lack of moral in our system I find it hard to trust that we will ever return to normalcy and that politicians/establishment will not use this to abuse their control over the people.

Our history of war and dicatorships would have left any country in 4 pieces. I don't think we should be so harsh as to say the time to educate people has passed.
 
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pakistan judicial system is bigger curse then india


Sir, you are delusional and naive.

Indian Judiciary is a curse on India. It is the reason India is still poor and there is no fear of corruption in the minds of Politicians and for committing crimes by criminals.

Only catch is ....your crime should not be petty. Commit big enough fraud to hire best lawyers till Supreme court and your case will last till eternity.

Please delete your comment.
 
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With the amount of corruption and complete lack of moral in our system I find it hard to trust that we will ever return to normalcy and that politicians/establishment will not use this to abuse their control over the people.

Our history of war and dicatorships would have left any country in 4 pieces. I don't think we should be so harsh as to say the time to educate people has passed.

Pakistan has lived through Benazir, Nawaz and Zardari. There isn't anything worse than having leadership who are essentially liars, thieves, murderers and traitors. Banning or controlling social media, affords some semblance of control where foreign interference exploits such platforms to build there narrative against the state. Besides, well documented facts show that some of these so-called democratic politicians have links with the enemy. Do not provide your enemy more avenues to exploit against you, this is one avenue they can and have exploited time and again.
 
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