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If India can stand up to China, we surely can to ragtag, gun-toting Taliban: Kanwal Sibal
Former Indian diplomat Sibal was In conversation with Kailashnath Adhikari, MD, Governance Now

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Aug 30, 2021 9:03 AM

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Former Indian diplomat, Kanwal Sibal has said that the US war over the Taliban in Afghanistan could only have been won if it had dealt with safe havens in Pakistan first.

In a conversation with Kailashnath Adhikari, MD, Governance Now, Sibal said that unless the United States deal with Pakistan, there is no way they could win this war with Afghanistan. According to him, he said that even the Soviets’ had told the US that unless they dealt with safe havens in Pakistan they could not win the war in Afghanistan in silo which they (US) did not want to do.

“By handing over the country to the very groups they fought against for 18 years is totally against all principles and values the US has tried to spread internationally and part of their policies and inherent democratic human rights ideology and handed over the country to a group which doesn’t at all share the of values of United States,” said Sibal on Friday, during the webcast of Visionary Talk series held by the public policy and governance analysis platform.


Coming down on US action on withdrawal of troops from the war-torn nation Sibal said a terror group and been handed over power without going through a democratic and electoral process. They (US) has legitimized the group by talking directly to it.

“The country has been handed over to a group which does not believe in gender equality and women’s issues which are very powerful issues or human rights in general. It is a tragedy for the international community that the United States has chosen to hand over the country to the Taliban and it is going to have serious repercussions ..in the region and globally” he said.



Despite Afghanistan been taken over by the Taliban, he said it is not relevant as there are far more serious challenges to a globalized democratic world that are emerging from China.

Speaking on China’s increasing power, he said if a choice has to be made between US democracy and Chinese authoritarianism, most of the world would be in tune with the globalized world based on certain values rather than having a China-dominated world which is opaque, where one doesn't know how policies are made and there is no freedom of press.

“That is the reason why countries like India are asking for reforms of international institutions ..both political and economic .. far too long west has dominated these institutions and set the agenda and countries like India which is democratic and could have a right to influence and steer that agenda in terms of more democratic policy between countries. Unfortunately, China has now begun to dominate. It is the second-largest provider of funds to the united nation. India as a democratic country, unfortunately, is not able to exercise its weight in terms of shaping the global environment which has been shared by the west…”

Pakistan he said has used Afghan territory to train terrorists organizations like LeT and Jaish e Mohammed and send them to Kashmir and Taliban has been complicit. Now there could be concerns that Pakistan and the Taliban may join hands to put some pressure on J&K.

He said that Pakistan will take tremendous risk after Balakot where India has shown that it won’t tolerate Pakistan stepping up terrorist activities in J&K…. “There is no contiguity between India and Afghanistan. It has to come through Pakistan. Now that everybody is aware of Pakistan’s role in promoting terrorism in the region and under watch by the FATF (financial action task force), if Pakistan actually starts promoting terrorism in J&K it will become far more vulnerable in terms of international pressure.”

The issue of terrorism is there he said, but in a different way in a sense that Pakistan itself has got radicalized “and if there is such a radical force in Afghanistan which is basking in the glory that they defeated another superpower, the atmosphere in the region changes and much greater value put in using the tool of terrorism and Islamic radicalism to fight their battles. If we can stand up to China we can surely stand up to these ragtag gun-totting fellows” said Sibal.

Sibal, who is a recipient of Padma Shri award further said that India needs to strengthen and boost its capabilities in the areas of the Indian Navy, Maritime security and Quad in the Indo -Pacific where China does not dominate and is vulnerable.

“We have to balance and boost our naval capabilities in partnership with others. Considering terrorist attacks at Kabul airport is a sign of times of what lies ahead and we may find slowly more common ground with Russia to stem the kind of challenges that one can foresee emanating from Afghanistan.”

On being asked to respond to US President, Joe Biden's comment that attackers of Kabul airport will not be spared, Sibal said, ‘‘Taliban has withstood the bite of US and now can easily withstand its bark. This is a murky situation. I don’t know where the truth is. I hope the Americans can get to them. How they will get there? Will they have intelligence on ground? Will Pakistan cooperate? Will they do special operations as they did in Syria on the unfavourable ground with countries hostile to them? I don’t think so.”

Responding to a question on if Republican rule would have made a difference in Afghanistan, Sibal said it is not withdrawal but the manner of withdrawal that has come in for criticism. Trump who had committed to his electorate that he would end the war in Afghanistan would not have done anything differently. “… I don’t think materially anything would have changed under the Republican administration because the US has got in a very difficult situation. Once you have announced you are going to leave and there is public opinion that expects it to happen. It is the acceleration of time table of withdrawal and the manner of withdrawal and not so much the withdrawal that is being criticized even in US.”

 
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The Indians are intimidated of Taliban even tho it doesn't make any logical sense to the intellect but it does make sense.. It is just that the Pakistanis don't understand it or atleast these on PDF.

I was listening to an Indian geopoitical analyst and he said something interesting he said the Taliban won't be a threat to us immediately or cause issues to us? But he said in the future they could be used in LOC? after 1 or 2 decades? What does this mean? He knows fully well Pakistan won't use them in LOC or as insurgency that is what he said. Their worst fear is Pakistan using them as multipier if an all-out war breaks-out between India and Pakistan..

Than again why do they fear the Afghans so much as multiplier force for Pakistan? The Indians know they can't overcome well armed and drilled Afghans if Pakistan puts them in the frontline nothing will be able to be suffient for them to counter such people who will overrun their frontlines almost at will. An Afghan is a stubborn individual who will not exit his lines.. Not everyone is created equal in the sight of Allah some excel in some areas whereas different ppl excel in some other areas.

A Pakistani-Indian war will be an existential war for both sides hence india didn't like the multipier Pakistan will have.. Which have cast doubt in there minds facing these Afghans on the frontlines terrifies them before it even happened it gives them alot of uncertainties in their minds. Hence you are hearing all this we can take on these yada yada and self-beefing up but there is major doubt in their hearts...
 
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... He said that Pakistan will take tremendous risk after Balakot where India has shown that it won’t tolerate Pakistan stepping up terrorist activities in J&K…. “There is no contiguity between India and Afghanistan. It has to come through Pakistan. Now that everybody is aware of Pakistan’s role in promoting terrorism in the region and under watch by the FATF (financial action task force), if Pakistan actually starts promoting terrorism in J&K it will become far more vulnerable in terms of international pressure.” ...
According to Indian logic, Pakistan defeated the US/NATO in Afghanistan despite it faced 430 American drone strikes while at the same time it was under the FATF watch list.

However, Pakistan will not support the Kashmiri Mujahideen in Indian Occupied Kashmir due to being under the same FATF watch list and also due to the failed Balakot strike which was swiftly and successfully retaliated with within 24 hours.

Do braindead Indians really believe this? If so, why?
 
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The amount of noise indians are making surely means they are scared. I guess it has alot to do with history. Historically india have been invaded countless times by afghan warriors, from ghauri to ghaznavi to abdali, all annihilated india with utter ease. With taliban in power, they see those same faces who destroyed them multiple times and thus the noise and whinning.
 
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India should get tough with US on why they left Afghanistan. I would suggest Sri Modi Ji to use harsh language with Joe Biden on how he has let down India.
@SIPRA what do you say brother?

Fully support this proposal. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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The Indians are intimidated of Taliban even tho it doesn't make any logical sense to the intellect but it does make sense.. It is just that the Pakistanis don't understand it or atleast these on PDF.

I was listening to an Indian geopoitical analyst and he said something interesting he said the Taliban won't be a threat to us immediately or cause issues to us? But he said in the future they could be used in LOC? after 1 or 2 decades? What does this mean? He knows fully well Pakistan won't use them in LOC or as insurgency that is what he said. Their worst fear is Pakistan using them as multipier if an all-out war breaks-out between India and Pakistan..

Than again why do they fear the Afghans so much as multiplier force for Pakistan? The Indians know they can't overcome well armed and drilled Afghans if Pakistan puts them in the frontline nothing will be able to be suffient for them to counter such people who will overrun their frontlines almost at will. An Afghan is a stubborn individual who will not exit his lines.. Not everyone is created equal in the sight of Allah some excel in some areas whereas different ppl excel in some other areas.

A Pakistani-Indian war will be an existential war for both sides hence india didn't like the multipier Pakistan will have.. Which have cast doubt in there minds facing these Afghans on the frontlines terrifies them before it even happened it gives them alot of uncertainties in their minds. Hence you are hearing all this we can take on these yada yada and self-beefing up but there is major doubt in their hearts...






The real reason is not so much that the Taliban will get involved but it's the fear that the indian proxies cannot operate from Afghan soil against us anymore. Also without america and nato to protect india, it means indian plans to destabilize Pakistan have been permanently destroyed. Pakistan can now completely focus on the threat on our eastern front without any hindrance and cause maximum damage to our enemies in the coming years/decades. With the Chinese now exerting full control on the Ladakh/Dokhlam area, india has been truely boxed in and checkmated. THAT is what the indians fear the most. Their options in dealing with Pakistan have taken a huge hit which they cannot ever recover from. The american/nato exit from afghanistan also confirms that the West will not come to the aid of india in case of war.
The amount of noise indians are making surely means they are scared. I guess it has alot to do with history. Historically india have been invaded countless times by afghan warriors, from ghauri to ghaznavi to abdali, all annihilated india with utter ease. With taliban in power, they see those same faces who destroyed them multiple times and thus the noise and whinning.






Also, india can no longer use Afghan territory to launch their proxies against us and the americans/nato will no longer protect india or come to their aid in case of war. They had that luxury between 2001-July 2021. This has severely hampered and limited inda's ability in being able to confront Pakistan. THAT is what they fear the most.
 
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From the Peon to the President, every Indian Hindu folk is afraid of the Hakiki Afghans! It’s a historical matter….

*After the liberation of Kabul, Modi rushed to the Somnath Temple to reinstate their commitment to safeguard it. They, however, had failed to save it 17 times from the Afghans.
 
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From the Peon to the President, every Indian Hindu folk is afraid of the Hakiki Afghans! It’s a historical matter….

*After the liberation of Kabul, Modi rushed to the Somnath Temple to reinstate their commitment to safeguard it. They, however, had failed to save it 17 times from the Afghans.




Also, the americans/nato had made it clear that they will not come to the aid of the indians in case of war, like they may have done between 2001-July 2021. Add to the fact that the Chinese and the Russians are willing to work with the Taliban, it makes the indians feel like they are all alone against those that they hate the most and the rest of the world does not care. india has been truely checkmated and boxed in
 
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Taliban are not some ragtag people. They are highly trained and battle hardened soldiers fully equipped with US equipment, ammunition and gear.

I can see why Indians are scared and running around like headless chickens.

Hindu India is soon going to fall to Taliban.


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India should get tough with US on why they left Afghanistan. I would suggest Sri Modi Ji to use harsh language with Joe Biden on how he has let down India.
@SIPRA what do you say brother?

Rather, I suggest, that Modi Jee shall use the full force of his 56" a$$hole, to convince Biden. (Kindly translate it in Punjabi).😜😜😜
 
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Taliban are not some ragtag people. They are highly trained and battle hardened soldiers fully equipped with US equipment, ammunition and gear.

I can see why Indians are scared and running around like headless chickens.

Hindu India is soon going to fall to Taliban.


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