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IAI, Boeing Ready Arrow For Export — to S. Korea?

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TEL AVIV — Armed with marketing approval by their respective governments, a U.S.-Israeli industrial team plans to offer the Arrow weapon system to South Korea as a first, potential export of the joint ballistic-missile defense system.

Executives from Boeing and state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), partners in production of the Israeli-designed Arrow-2 and planned Arrow-3 interceptors, said Boeing would lead marketing and negotiating in South Korea.

The potential deal, estimated to exceed $1 billion, would ultimately be concluded between the U.S. and South Korean governments and managed as a Pentagon Foreign Military Sale, defense and industry sources here said.

“There’s still a long way to go, but we and our Israeli partners are working very persistently to be able to provide this phenomenal capability to South Korea, an important U.S. ally,” Roger Krone, president of Boeing Network & Space Systems, said during a recent visit here.

Last week, Boeing and IAI announced an agreement to expand their 10-year partnership beyond joint development and production of Arrow-2 and Arrow-3 interceptors for Israel’s defense needs.

The Jan. 23 announcement did not name countries to be targeted by the new strategic agreement. It noted that the agreement “aims to explore and develop new opportunities in the missile defense arena.”

IAI President Itzhak Nissan heralded the agreement as “the next logical step in our relationship with Boeing, and a strong opportunity for both companies to play a bigger role in the missile defense market.”

“The Arrow program demonstrates Boeing’s commitment to develop international missile defense partnerships around the globe,” Krone said in the joint announcement.

Similarly, Greg Hyslop, vice president and general manager of Boeing Strategic Missile and Defense Systems, said the Boeing-IAI partnership “has produced an innovative, versatile and affordable advanced missile defense capability.”

During a visit here last month, Krone declined to speculate when the South Korean Defense Ministry would request proposals or which competitors might respond.

He also wouldn’t say whether Boeing-IAI would bid the operational Arrow-2 or the smaller, less expensive, exo-atmospheric Arrow-3, now in development and scheduled for its first fly-out test later this year.

Defense and industry sources noted that South Korean military planners late last year launched a so-called assessment of alternatives that included Arrow-2, the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system, the Patriot PAC-3 and the Russian S-300 and S-400 systems.

South Korea bought 48 used PAC-3 launch modules, radars and missiles, including the Patriot Anti-Tactical Missile and Guidance Enhanced Missile Plus (GEM+) from Germany.

In 2009, Seoul’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration decided to buy two EL/M-2080 Green Pine radars — the same radars supporting Israel’s Arrow-based national missile defense system — from Elta Systems, an IAI subsidiary. Operational deployment of the radars is slated for this year.

The radars will be part of South Korea’s Air and Missile Defense-Cell, a key component of the nation’s low-tier air and missile defense system to counter the threat posed by North Korea’s low-flying, short- and intermediate-range missiles, officials said.

While Israel is pushing ahead with the sale of the Arrow, the South Korean government has made no effort to introduce a high-altitude interceptor because of fears over potential backlash from neighboring countries, including China.

And South Korea has been on track to build its own low-tier and medium-range missile defense systems. Last month, the state-funded Agency for Defense Development unveiled the Cheongung system, a medium-range surface-to-air missile system.

For the longer term, defense and industry sources here said India is a potential export market for the U.S.-Israeli AWS, given the Pentagon’s willingness to restart missile defense cooperation talks with New Delhi.

A potential sale or joint production of missile defense systems was an agenda item for the U.S.-Indian strategic dialogue that began in 2003, but the talks were suspended in 2008. During a visit this month to New Delhi, Robert Scher, U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense for South and Southeast Asia, offered to revive such talks, a Pentagon spokeswoman confirmed.

“We are really open to it. This is something we ask them if they are interested in,” Scher was quoted as saying in a Jan. 19 report by the Press Trust of India.

Asked to clarify Scher’s reported remarks, Navy Cmdr. Leslie Hull-Ryde, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said, “We have not discussed ballistic-missile defense cooperation since 2008 and are currently focused on a range of other higher priorities, including maritime security. However, should India express interest in restarting discussions on [ballistic missile defense], we would be prepared to discuss it.”

U.S. and Israeli sources said neither the U.S. government nor Israel’s Ministry of Defense has approved any marketing efforts or technical discussions on potential Arrow exports to India. Nevertheless, they note that India has the need, potential funding and the favorable political standing with Washington and Tel Aviv to support such a deal.

Israeli industry sources noted that India bought the Arrow’s Green Pine radars in support of a two-tier, indigenous intercepting system based on the Prithvi missile. In the past decade, Israeli exports to India have accounted for nearly $2 billion annually, including radars, air-launched missiles, tank upgrades, and land- and ship-based air defense systems.

IAI, Boeing Ready Arrow For Export — to S. Korea? | Gannett Government Media | defensenews.com
 
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Nope. This is a wishful thinking on IAI's part, probably as an offset of Israeli purchase of T-50.

The local Anti-Ballistic System is already under development. Dubbed KL-SAM system, it includes two interceptors; one is a range extended KM-SAM interceptor for anti-Ballistic missile engagement. The second one is a ducted rocket interceptor with a range of 250 km ~ 300 km, intended to turn most of the Yellow Sea into a no-fly zone for the PLAAF in the event of North Korean regime collapse.

There is a possible market for a naval SAM, but not for the land launched one. The Korean government even refused Raytheon's PAC-2 GEM upgrade offer because they planned to phase out Patriot missile system completely by 2020 and replace it with KL-SAM.
 
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Oh, in case you are wondering where the ducked rocket 250 km ~ 300 km range SAM interceptor is coming from out of nowhere, it is a spin-off from the Korean Yakhont project. Similar technology, but much lighter and maneuverable because it needs a small warhead as opposed to the anti-ship warhead of the anti-ship missile.
 
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You do realize that anti-ship missiles like the Yakhont have a maximum speed less than half of top tier SAM systems like the HQ-9, S-400 and Patriot, right?

I'm sure you know the reason too... do you?
 
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You do realize that anti-ship missiles like the Yakhont have a maximum speed less than half of top tier SAM systems like the HQ-9, S-400 and Patriot, right?

I'm sure you know the reason too... do you?
Korean Yakhont is much lighter than Yakhont/Brahmos to begin with(Only 1.5 tons) due to Korean-designed seeker and warhead, the KL-SAM interceptor will still be much lighter than Yakhont-K. So it will have at least Mach 3 velocity.
 
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Nope. This is a wishful thinking on IAI's part, probably as an offset of Israeli purchase of T-50.

The local Anti-Ballistic System is already under development. Dubbed KL-SAM system, it includes two interceptors; one is a range extended KM-SAM interceptor for anti-Ballistic missile engagement. The second one is a ducted rocket interceptor with a range of 250 km ~ 300 km, intended to turn most of the Yellow Sea into a no-fly zone for the PLAAF in the event of North Korean regime collapse.

There is a possible market for a naval SAM, but not for the land launched one. The Korean government even refused Raytheon's PAC-2 GEM upgrade offer because they planned to phase out Patriot missile system completely by 2020 and replace it with KL-SAM.


Ill will rely on defensenews article rather on your "expertise"
 
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Ill will rely on defensenews article rather on your "expertise"
That news is already heavily discussed in Korea for the shock factor. The natural response is "WTF".
Importing Arrow, even the possibility of it, was never discussed. Any missile that Koreans might consider importing is S-500 and SM-3.
 
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Nope. This is a wishful thinking on IAI's part, probably as an offset of Israeli purchase of T-50.

The local Anti-Ballistic System is already under development. Dubbed KL-SAM system, it includes two interceptors; one is a range extended KM-SAM interceptor for anti-Ballistic missile engagement.
KL-SAM aka Russian Vityaz is little missile counterpart of US Pac-3. It has max altitude of 20 km and 900 m/s speed.

Arrow-2 is has 50-60 km altitude and 2.5 km/s speed.

Oh, in case you are wondering where the ducked rocket 250 km ~ 300 km range SAM interceptor is coming from out of nowhere, it is a spin-off from the Korean Yakhont project. Similar technology, but much lighter and maneuverable because it needs a small warhead as opposed to the anti-ship warhead of the anti-ship missile.
SAM based on Yakhont? What u are smoking there? :rolleyes:
 
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KL-SAM aka Russian Vityaz
That's KM-SAM. Russians will start deploying their versions in 2014, as it is a KM-SAM spin-off(Not the other way around).

SAM based on Yakhont? What u are smoking there?

Actually Yakhont-K.

Anyhow, trying to sell Arrow to Korea is like trying to sell PAK-FA to Israel. No one's even thinking of the possibility until you hear the news of the vendor contemplating it.
 
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FYI, this is the anti-Ballistic missile interceptor of KL-SAM system. You can see why the Korean government isn't interested in Arrow or LM THAAD interceptor.

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Facepalm. This is THAAD:
Ok I screwed up, but KL-SAM is real nonetheless. Thus no plans to acquire imported ballistic missile interceptors.

KBS WORLD

Korean Version of Patriot
Preliminary studies on the missile project will be concluded by the year’s end and a basic plan will be drafted next year for full-fledged development of the missile from 2013. This plan to develop long-range surface-to-air missiles (L-SAMs) will cost a total W970 billion. The immediate plan is to produce about ten missiles. The L-SAM was designed for intercepting North Korean ballistic missiles that travel in altitudes above 60 kilometers. This is quadruple the range of the PAC-2 and Iron Hawk-II currently in use by the South Korean military. It’s also more than double the range of the PAC-3 deployed by the U.S. Army. A source says the L-SAM will be able to target ballistic missiles four times better than the Iron Hawk-II. Interception accuracy will be higher while L-SAM will take a similar time as the Iron Hawk-II, eight to ten seconds, to shoot down a missile. The military plans to use the L-SAM in high altitude area defense and the existing PAC-2 and the Iron Hawk-II in mid-range (15㎞) interception to eventually complete a three-tier missile defense system.

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Arrow-2 is already operational, when will be the Korean counterpart be operational?
 
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Arrow-2 is already operational, when will be the Korean counterpart be operational?
2020. This is when the PAC-2 GEM will be taken off service and the initial rounds of KL-SAM interceptors take over.
 
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