IAF Mirage 2000I Vs PAF F 16C Block 52

[Mighty Lion]

1) Firstly IAF aircraft have no data links or even SD Radios for secure comms between AWACs and fighters. In the case of Wing Co Abhis MIG-21 he was receiving voice commands from a ground controller that were being constantly jammed, he had no AWACS support, This is a fact actually stated by Indian media.FACT

Wrong. That was in the past. In April 2019, IAF ordered BNET-AR (the most advanced airborne SDR made by mankind). All our fighters, AWACS and ground cotnrol will receive BNET-AR in phase 1 and transports and helis and others in phase 2.

2) Erieyes are data linked with F-16s and other aircraft via Link 16 and Link 17. FACT.

All IAF AEWCS are datalinked with other fighter aircraft after we ordered BNET-AR

4) The IAF Phalcon fleet depends on a 4 engined soviet transport airframe while the PAF Eriefleet depends on a 2 Turboprop commuter airliner. An Indian CAG report puts IL-76 availability at around 40-50%. Meaning of the 3 planes approx 1 or 2 max are available at any given time. SAAB 2000 availability rates with most airlines are around 80-90% so of the 9 planes say 8 ready at anyone times. FACT

5) To keep 1 AEW in the air at any given time you need a MINIMUM OF 4 ready. 1 in the air, 1 taking off ready to replace it, 1 on standby for the next slot and 1 ready in case any of the other 3 go unservicable. This is standard operating procedure for a constant airborne presence. This basically implies the IAF can have a Phalcon in the air only around 30% of the time while the PAF can have TWO Erieyes in the air 100% of the time. FACT

Wromg assumption.
None of PAF AEWCS (Erieye or ZDK) have got aerial refuelling capabilty (poor planning by PAF) whereas all IAF AWACS/AEWCS got them. Which means PAF AEWCS will have to land after just 5-6 hrs in air whereas IAF AWACS/AEWCS can stay up for 15-16 hrs all it need to do is hook up to Aerial refueller.
Also India has got 3 Netras (one has been deputed to DRDO but will be handed to IAF during wars or tensions).

 

[Yasser76]

Indian media also claimed a F-16 Kill and annihilation of JeM recruits, you cannot selectively choose.


Indian AWACS(A-50EI) and IL-76MD are not the same. The serviceability for this platform is better.
No comparable data for PAF and assuming 90% serviceability for 20+ year old used turboprops which is out of production is not correct.
And IAF radar picture is not just by airborne assets ground radars take a bulk of the duties as well.


Agreed.
What ever is the PAF version of the events, on both days the fight was largely over Pak airspace. This will most likely continue well into the future.
Mirages will be a formidable threat for PAF for years to come and F-16s for the IAF is the same.

But this thread is completely pointless, random videos with wikipedia info should not warrant a thread.

Again instead of taking my points head on you seem to change subject matter. In an interview the Ground Controller of IAF (Females Sqd leader) admitted she was being jammed by PAF. Not words of Indian media, your own IAF officers.

A twin turboprop airliner will always be easier to maintain then a 4 engined jet. Anyone in aviation knows this. Literally anyone. SAAB 2000 airframes are much younger the the Phalcon ones.

We were focusing on AEW aircraft now you are talking about ground radars. Make up your mind. PAF has ground radars too and in this case an even larger advantage over IAF.

The bombs PAF dropped were right next door to several major bases on the Indian side, but yes, India did indeed attack Pakistan first.

Talk about Mirages all you like. My point remains. Until India is fully up to speed with regards to EW support, AEW, combined training and can outrange the AMRAAM or maybe soon even PL-15, expect PAF to be more then equal to the task of holding IAF at bay

Wrong. That was in the past. In April 2019, IAF ordered BNET-AR (the most advanced airborne SDR made by mankind). All our fighters, AWACS and ground cotnrol will receive BNET-AR in phase 1 and transports and helis and others in phase 2.

All IAF AEWCS are datalinked with other fighter aircraft after we ordered BNET-AR

Wromg assumption.
None of PAF AEWCS (Erieye or ZDK) have got aerial refuelling capabilty (poor planning by PAF) whereas all IAF AWACS/AEWCS got them. Which means PAF AEWCS will have to land after just 5-6 hrs in air whereas IAF AWACS/AEWCS can stay up for 15-16 hrs all it need to do is hook up to Aerial refueller.
Also India has got 3 Netras (one has been deputed to DRDO but will be handed to IAF during wars or tensions).

Again, unsure if you are aware of the truth or are spreading lies on purpose. Currently NO IAF fighters are data linked. It is simply not true. No SDR are in service right now.

Again you make the wrong assumptions, IAF simply does not have enough planes, air to air refulling or not. It does not have the capacity, pure and simple, and I can assure you no IL-76 in history has flown 16 hours without landing, even when refulled from air. You are making up world records in your head.

IAF could not provide AEW support when PAF attacked. PAF had an Erieye up, watching your Netra, as soon as the Netra landed without a repalcement we sent in a combined strike package. Until IAF inducts more AEW situation will be the same, and now you have Chinese border to worry about too

 

[Ultima Thule]

Not again this vs and YouTube based thread should be close it will only bring trolling/flame baiting and its already doing this @krash @BHarwana. @Foxtrot Alpha please close this baseless and useless thread thanks

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Again instead of taking my points head on you seem to change subject matter. In an interview the Ground Controller of IAF (Females Sqd leader) admitted she was being jammed by PAF. Not words of Indian media, your own IAF officers.

Again, no point being selective, IAF/MEA claimed a kill on 27 itself, the Sqn Ldr also reiterated that in her interviews.

A twin turboprop airliner will always be easier to maintain then a 4 engined jet. Anyone in aviation knows this. Literally anyone. SAAB 2000 airframes are much younger the the Phalcon ones.

Again, you are now being selective and the last sentence is just a lie.

PAF has ground radars too and in this case an even larger advantage over IAF.

Again wrong.

Talk about Mirages all you like. My point remains. Expect PAF to be more then equal to the task of holding IAF at bay

No argument here, PAF is a professional fighting force and IAF is well aware of the risks.