I think Muslim men see my dancing as a challenge to them, says Sheema Kermani

[itsanufy]

I couldnt dance if my life depended on it
So i have zero interest in it but if she wants to dance to please her gods then fine i got no issue we do give religious freedom to our minorities


Read the article again her name is SHEEMA KARMANI AND HER HINDU FATHER OPTED FOR PAKISTAN AFTER PARTITION

Article doesn't mentions her father a hindu. As per wiki "Kirmani or Kermani (Persian: کرمانی‎‎) is a locational surname of Persian origin, which originally meant a person from the city of Kerman, Iran." In fact all Kirmanis I know are muslims.

 

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My father belonged to well-established aristocratic family of UP, Lucknow, India. Originally the family is from Kerman in Iran and migrated to India where they settled in UP.

My mother’s family was from Hyderabad Deccan and my maternal grandfather was a District Sessions Judge in Hyderabad, Deccan, India.

My father after having graduated from Aligarh University joined the British India army as a commissioned officer. Then in 1947 he opted for Pakistan and came here as a member of the Pakistan Army. In 1949 he went back to India to get married. My father retired as a Brigadier from the army and then was the chairman of KESC till his retirement.

Source: I think Muslim men see my dancing as a challenge to them, says Sheema Kermani

 

[xyxmt]

This is called Dance, combined with Gypsy music it just takes you on a trip

 

[Moonlight]

Dance as a profession is unacceptable in Pakistan. (But not completely off of the screen). I think even Pakistani women for the most part will not appreciate this as a profession. But if she is Hindu, that's part of both their culture and religion. One should not criticize it then.
Apart from that, there are few Pakistani dancers and they even do the shows. So they arrange everything on their own? Not even a single man is behind those huge events?

By the way, is that true you need the NOC in order to conduct a recital in Pakistan?

 

[Pakistani E]

I don't even watch your dance, woman. Which Muslim men are you talking about? I've never even heard of you? Is it necessary to generalise here?

 

[Darmashkian]

Read the article again her name is SHEEMA KARMANI AND HER HINDU FATHER OPTED FOR PAKISTAN AFTER PARTITION

Zibago Bhai, first let me tell you that no where in the article is it mentioned that she is Hindu.

Second, Hyderabad in the Deccan from the 18th century till 1949 was ruled by the Nizam & the City of Hyderabad was a Muslim Majority one, Even today Muslims are about 25-30% of Greater Hyderabad region.
Many Hyderabadi Muslims left to Pakistan after Hyderabad State merged with the rest of India, though most stayed behind.

Third, her surname is Iranian, let me tell you that many Hyderabadi Muslims have Arab,Yemeni & Iranian surnames. She probably has Iranian ancestors who migrated here in the past.

& Finally, NO HINDU FROM THE DECCAN(Hyderabad state) would migrate to Pakistan, Hindus in this part speak Telugu, Marathi & Kannada as their mother-tongue. Not urdu which is spoken by Deccani Muslims as their mother tongue. So no Deccani Hindu would migrate to a place like Pakistan where Urdu is primarily spoken

& Thus I fully believe that she is a Muslim & not a Hindu due to the above reasons.

 

[jamahir]

I have a few questions:

1) Since when, state and clergy represent all Islamic Men.

2) I don't know now, but even booking a seat on PIA took some leg work when I left Pakistan. Point everything required dancing and leg work to get done in Pakistan.

3) How is she selling out her shows, if Muslim Men are the problems.

yes, she should have used a more precise word like "reactionaries" or "regressives" to describe those males who oppose her... and why only males, there would be many females who also are cruel about her and in general, as she herself describes the party conversation - don't we have mothers who "honor kill" their daughter or their son for various reasons??

I myself am a Marxist and a feminist. I believe in the Marxist ideology and a vision of a classless society where men and women hold an equal status.

yes, marxism, socialism, communism, jamahiriya, bolivarianism etc are the modern isms that any justice-seeking and freedom-seeking person would be sympathetic to... a ism which seeks to bring to humans what nature really intends, a society where no one is discriminated on the present basis of economic circumstance, birth religion, college degrees, gender, color... to hell ( if there is one ) with those who use such artificial devices like money system and nationality to insult someone and discriminate someone.

I think she is Muslim.

@Zibago , she is muslim... as @itsanufy says, the kermanis in india are all muslim, unless one is a parsi, but i don't think this lady is a parsi.

one example of a kermani muslim i think would be the 80's era indian cricketer, syed kirmani.

Its not just a dance, its also worship.

while i don't particularly like bharatnatyam form of dance, it must be said that muslims in the subcontinent over the centuries and at the present have secularized and spiritualized the different art forms, disregarding or gentle-izing the purely idolating aspect of a particular piece.

for example, "saanson ki maala" composed by ameer khusro more than 700 years ago and sung in modern times in the best form by nusrat fateh ali khan.

this lady, sheema kermani, is not only a muslim but also a marxist, and that would automatically remove any idolating and superstition aspects from her idea of a particular piece she is performing.

However, I believe that feminism is recognition of the existence of sexism, male domination and patriarchy and the desire to change this situation. I consider myself an activist of human rights issues and I strongly feel that I must do whatever I can to change this discrimination against women in our society so that she can find her place of dignity and respect. It is the values that have to change and the attitudes towards women both of society and state.

while i would also describe prophet muhammad, marx, vladimir lenin, nasser and gaddafi as the primary feminists in history, we must rid of the female-centric arguments and describe these people as humanists/humanitarians if such a description is really needed, because not only do many males face injustices but many females are also among the cruel and oppressor kind, like sheema kermani found in that overhead conversation in a party.

This is called Dance, combined with Gypsy music it just takes you on a trip

flamenco muslim and flamenco dance indeed are sublime, and i think they have muslim and african influences from the time of al-andalus.

Dance as a profession is unacceptable in Pakistan. (But not completely off of the screen). I think even Pakistani women for the most part will not appreciate this as a profession.

unacceptable to you but not to others... sadly, at the moment, you are no progressive so why should you speak on behalf of a entire country??

when i saw the thread title on the home page and your user-name as the last replier i guessed what direction your reply would be in.

sorry but you haven't changed to become gentle and one with empathy since your "oh, she is a chichori actress" remark about mehwish hayat ( or was it someone else?? ).

what you cruelly said about mehwish is the same as what sheema kermani overheard two females...

was recently at a party where I overheard a lady saying to the other about me, “Don’t sit next to her, she is a dancer”.

But if she is Hindu, that's part of both their culture and religion. One should not criticize it then.

she is muslim... what of it??

if you desire the authority to speak on behalf of muslims or islam then my sincere wish is that you change your political and social stance and stand among the progressives and voice out against the reactionaries.


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[JonAsad]

Most disgusting dance type i have ever seen- dont get it what sultans nizams and mughals and other pre partition therkis saw in that-

 

[Moonlight]

unacceptable to you but not to others... sadly, at the moment, you are no progressive so why should you speak on behalf of a entire country??

when i saw the thread title on the home page and your user-name as the last replier i guessed what direction your reply would be in.

sorry but you haven't changed to become gentle and one with empathy since your "oh, she is a chichori actress" remark about mehwish hayat ( or was it someone else?? ).

what you cruelly said about mehwish is the same as what sheema kermani overhead two females...

Right. Like I do not know about Pakistan's society. I have seen many girls on the screen (celebrities) and off the screen, giving up their passion of dancing and adopting it as a profession, just because it is not acceptable in society and in their families. Plus, if you read it carefully before attacking on my words, that would be great. I did say, it's not completely off the screen and I also said for the most part. (Not completely unacceptable). whatever I said about to Mehwish was just my opinion and if you think not even a single person should give their opnions on actors. Guess what? You are living in wonder land. . And if you find me rude with giving comment on an actress and then you're rude yourself for giving comment on me.

For that Muslims part.

And that qawali you are talking about "sansoon Ki mala pe" has nothing to do with dance and need to understand the lyrics as well. Have a great day!

 

[911]

For that Muslims part.

In video he says "Shaitan will lure you to dance, drink alcohol and do other shameless stuff in the name of Allah". Now i believe this lady Sheema Kermani is indeed doing mistake. Every relgion in this world has its values and beliefs which must be respected. Thanks for posting this.

 

[jamahir]

In video he says "Shaitan will lure you to dance, drink alcohol and do other shameless stuff in the name of Allah".

i didn't bother wasting my download limit on that tableeghi jamaat vid.

so doesn't he say that shaitan will induce you to "honor kill" your children and oppress people in the name of money and "religious values"??

and that fellow is the type that nato recruits in regime-change operations against socialist countries that have a muslim-majority.

Now i believe this lady Sheema Kermani is indeed doing mistake. Every relgion in this world has its values and beliefs which must be respected. Thanks for posting this.

ammara choudhry represents herself and not islam, so sheema kermani is doing no mistake... in fact, sheema kermani must be celebrated.

 

[911]

i didn't bother wasting my download limit on that tableeghi jamaat vid.

so doesn't he say that shaitan will induce you to "honor kill" your children and oppress people in the name of money and "religious values"??

and that fellow is the type that nato recruits in regime-change operations against socialist countries that have a muslim-majority.



ammara choudhry represents herself and not islam, so sheema kermani is doing no mistake... in fact, sheema kermani must be celebrated.

Modern Muslims can progress but these Mullahs don't let them in the name of Allah.

 

[Moonlight]

i didn't bother wasting my download limit on that tableeghi jamaat vid.

so doesn't he say that shaitan will induce you to "honor kill" your children and oppress people in the name of money and "religious values"??

and that fellow is the type that nato recruits in regime-change operations against socialist countries that have a muslim-majority.



ammara choudhry represents herself and not islam, so sheema kermani is doing no mistake... in fact, sheema kermani must be celebrated.

And I never said I am representing Islam. Hey, I did not even comment, whether she should be celebrated or not. You have your opinion on this matter and I have mine.

Btw, if you don't bother to learn about what actually Islam teaches, you have no right to give your fatwas as well.

 

[untitled]

Most disgusting dance type i have ever seen- dont get it what sultans nizams and mughals and other pre partition therkis saw in that-

They did not have cable or internet. They had to make the most of what was available

 

[jamahir]

And I never said I am representing Islam.

then why did you post a tableeghi jamaat vid and you describing the vid with...

For that Muslims part

obviously you thought you knew what was true about muslims or islam and that you should present that true thing in this thread.

Hey, I did not even comment, whether she should be celebrated or not. You have your opinion on this matter and I have mine.

i was replying to @911 's comment.

and yes, we all have our opinions but somewhere we must learn of simple truths from each other, and i can be the learner too.