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When their government abruptly ended its harsh COVID-19 measures in December, many Chinese expected a robust rebound from pent-up demand. Eight months later, China is instead facing an accumulation of bad news: record youth unemployment, a deep housing slump, stagnant spending, even deflation.

That’s a shock to many Chinese who are used to an economy that kept on expanding and living standards that rose with it. Now they’re contending with slowing businesses and shrinking personal fortunes.

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China’s floundering economy faces an uncertain future. CREDIT:GETTY

I talked to more than a dozen business owners and consumers, as I have been doing for years, and I can report: Their confidence in the future of the economy and the country is at a nadir. If they had hoped for a rebound, that hope has been extinguished. They worry that it’s the beginning of something they don’t dare to imagine and fear that the government doesn’t have solutions. The bad news just keeps coming.
“The most terrifying thing is that everyone around me is at a loss of what to do next,” said Richard Li, the owner of an auto parts wholesale business. “I used to believe that our country would become better and better.”

In the first half of 2023, the revenue of Li’s business fell 15 per cent from a year ago, when the city he lives in — with more than 10 million other people — was locked down for weeks.
He discovered that other companies like his were struggling, too. Some of his clients, auto repair shops, even shut their doors because car owners were reducing spending.


Li had four stores and closed two of them. He let go two-thirds of his employees and stopped investing in new products. He also cut back on dining out and hanging out with his buddies. Strapped for cash, he tried to sell an apartment he bought in 2020 as an investment. But there have been few queries, even after he cut the price to $US400,000 ($623,000) from $US500,000.

It’s getting harder for people like Li to rely on the Chinese government to know what’s going on in the economy. Data it has released for years has been held back. Last week, it stopped sharing the unemployment rate for young people after the data hit a high at 21.3 per cent in June.

But a set of official data the government was willing to share about July was bad enough.

Consumer prices in China fell last month for the first time in more than two years. Chinese banks extended $US47.5 billion of new yuan loans, tumbling 89 per cent from June — and half the amount of a year earlier. Housing sales in terms of footage fell 6.5 per cent in the first seven months of the year, after shrinking by nearly one-quarter last year. In a country where three-fifths of household assets are tied up in real estate, that decline is alarming.

The anxiety is running so high that people are using a social media site called Xiaohongshu to post talismans they think could help them sell houses.

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Beijing is desperate for its citizens to start spending, but consumer confidence is low.CREDIT:BLOOMBERG

China slipped into deflation after the government’s draconian “zero-COVID” policy drastically suppressed consumption and business activity last year. Chenggang Xu, an economist at Stanford University, explained why deflation can be pernicious.

“The best scenario is that everyone expects prices will keep decreasing, so they will keep waiting for the prices to fall further,” he said. “The worst scenario is that people are very scared and very anxious.” Fear about their jobs or the survival of their businesses, he said, will cause them to save more and spend less, pushing the economy further into the trap of deflation.
With anxiety running high, people are already saving more and spending less.
‘The most terrifying thing is that everyone around me is at a loss of what to do next,’
Richard Li, the owner of an auto parts wholesale business.

Cob Liu, founder of an education startup in a big city in southwestern China, said his revenue has remained flat this year, which is bad for a company that used to grow 40 per cent a year. Liu, in his mid-30s, has about $US1.5 million in cash but is determined to keep his monthly spending around $US800, half of which goes to rent. He will keep his five-year-old Toyota Corolla and not buy property anytime soon. He bought apartments in two complexes in 2019 and the developers of both stopped building after running out of money. That is a nightmare that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Chinese have been going through since the housing boom came to a sudden end.

Liu believes that the decline in the Chinese economy could drag on for years. He sold all his positions in mainland China stocks earlier this year and said he would not touch shares of any Chinese companies, even if they’re traded in New York or Hong Kong.

Boris Dai, 44, is a commercial real estate consultant in Beijing who earned less than $US15,000 in the first six months of this year. That is half what he made during the pandemic and less than 15 per cent of his previous earnings. His other source of income — an office space he rents out — evaporated after his tenant went out of business six months ago.

“I can only lie flat,” Dai said, using a phrase that describes taking a break from relentless work. “I have no expectations for the future.” He converted his SUV into a sleeper vehicle so he and his wife could save on hotels when they travel.

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Chinese sharemarkets have been hit hard.CREDIT:AP

Even entrepreneurs who are doing well are reluctant to take out loans because of their uncertain prospects.
Mark Fu, founder of a financial advisory firm with offices in Chengdu and Hong Kong, said his business has been booming this year. Many wealthy
Chinese, he explained, realised during the pandemic that money couldn’t buy them safety or dignity and have sought his help to move their financial assets outside China. Banks offered him business loans at low interest rates, but he’s reluctant to take on debt. Instead of expanding, he has reduced his staff to 10 employees from 12 through attrition.

He said he was horrified by the government’s clampdowns on one industry after another during the pandemic. He said he used to believe that if he worked hard, he would succeed. Now he fears that how he runs his business isn’t what matters most.

“Is the government going to wipe you all out in one go?” he asked. “Or let you make some money?” He also has an apartment he’s been unable to sell.

The mood on social media has become so bleak that a commentary in Securities Daily, an official publication, called for the suppression of posts that speculate about troubles ahead. Rumour-mongering had set off market fluctuations, the article said, quoting headlines such as “China’s version of Lehman Brothers is coming!” and “A brokerage firm to hold a conference call of ‘the darkest hour.’”

People despair because they can’t picture how China can get out of its downward spiral. The root of the troubles, they believe, is the ideology of Xi Jinping, China’s paramount leader, who seems to dislike the private sector and has dismantled elements of the market economy that made China an economic success.

At 35, Andy Wang quit his job at a bank earlier this year to prepare to apply for graduate school in Australia. He was put off last fall when a slate of new party leaders was announced, all proteges of Xi. “The corrective ability of this country was lost after that,” he said.

His parents are wealthy, but he’s pessimistic he will have the same opportunities they once enjoyed. “I can’t see any way to make money in this country,” he said. “I’m not even sure if I can maintain my current living standard. I could only strive for survival.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

 
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Bullshit

China keeps growing.
Europe keeps sinking.
 
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Money is an artificial human construct, only the social credit score introduced by the Great Xi should be considered as the currency of the Middle Kingdom.

Social credit exists in the West too, you say a word against Banker cocksucking regime and you will be fcked up with undercovers and bots.

At least Chinese state say the truth to their people, unlike filthy disgusting Western regimes of lies.
 
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Social credit exists in the West too, you say a word against Banker cocksucking regime and you will be fcked up with undercovers and bots.

At least Chinese state say the truth to their people, unlike filthy disgusting Western regimes of lies.

One deserves to be fucked up if they don’t know how to live within their means and flaunt on credit cards.
 
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Social credit exists in the West too, you say a word against Banker cocksucking regime and you will be fcked up with undercovers and bots.

At least Chinese state say the truth to their people, unlike filthy disgusting Western regimes of lies.
Even if you are investigated and no charges/indictment, all the major credit card companies drop your *** like a plague...

There is big time social credit in US, its called your credit report.
 
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This is propaganda against Peoples Republic of CCP. PRC is not only stable, it helps other poor countries like Pakistan through CPEC to turn their economy around. Now, look at Pakistan where it stands with China’s unconditional economic support.

Any sane person with a high IQ will clearly see how flawed this article is.
 
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One deserves to be fucked up if they don’t know how to live within their means and flaunt on credit cards.
You didnt understand the message.

You say political opinions independently in the West and you will be fcked up like in China.

The difference is China warns their citizens about it and they are sincere.

Meanwhile filthy liar Western regimes say: You live in democracy, you can say your political opinions freely. But if you do that, then will come undercovers, and police informants to your life, and your will be receive some tax inspectors visits.
 
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No more cheap words. We will see who will sink in next 5 years.
 
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Market change.

Some people report an increase in sales and profit, while others complain their business is falling.

China consumer market trend is leading the world, it worth to watch.


But yes, after Covid the way people spend money is different.

Shopping malls are not so attractive anymore, most people are buying things online. It's cheaper and more convenient.

The entry for sales to open online shop is much easier and requires less capital as you don't need to spend money to rent a place. The number of online shops increases dramatically.

If in the past, there are 10 shops for 1000 population, now there are 200 online shops for 1000 population. The number of sales for each shop is falling dramatically, despite if we sum the total sales of all shops, it remains the same.

When real estate sales volume is falling, the logistics company volume is increasing.

When someone is weeping over the gloomy and doomed economy. Without him knowing, someone else is partying.

The competition is b*tch.

Even a big traditional automotive company like Toyota, Ford, GM, Mercedes Benz, etc feel the heat as entry level for EV car manufacture is easier and cheaper than before. There are so many car brands on the market right now.
 
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Indians and Taiwanese are the main force of the U.S. cyber army, operating the Internet in English and Chinese respectively.
 
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When their government abruptly ended its harsh COVID-19 measures in December, many Chinese expected a robust rebound from pent-up demand. Eight months later, China is instead facing an accumulation of bad news: record youth unemployment, a deep housing slump, stagnant spending, even deflation.

That’s a shock to many Chinese who are used to an economy that kept on expanding and living standards that rose with it. Now they’re contending with slowing businesses and shrinking personal fortunes.

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China’s floundering economy faces an uncertain future. CREDIT:GETTY

I talked to more than a dozen business owners and consumers, as I have been doing for years, and I can report: Their confidence in the future of the economy and the country is at a nadir. If they had hoped for a rebound, that hope has been extinguished. They worry that it’s the beginning of something they don’t dare to imagine and fear that the government doesn’t have solutions. The bad news just keeps coming.
“The most terrifying thing is that everyone around me is at a loss of what to do next,” said Richard Li, the owner of an auto parts wholesale business. “I used to believe that our country would become better and better.”

In the first half of 2023, the revenue of Li’s business fell 15 per cent from a year ago, when the city he lives in — with more than 10 million other people — was locked down for weeks.
He discovered that other companies like his were struggling, too. Some of his clients, auto repair shops, even shut their doors because car owners were reducing spending.


Li had four stores and closed two of them. He let go two-thirds of his employees and stopped investing in new products. He also cut back on dining out and hanging out with his buddies. Strapped for cash, he tried to sell an apartment he bought in 2020 as an investment. But there have been few queries, even after he cut the price to $US400,000 ($623,000) from $US500,000.

It’s getting harder for people like Li to rely on the Chinese government to know what’s going on in the economy. Data it has released for years has been held back. Last week, it stopped sharing the unemployment rate for young people after the data hit a high at 21.3 per cent in June.

But a set of official data the government was willing to share about July was bad enough.

Consumer prices in China fell last month for the first time in more than two years. Chinese banks extended $US47.5 billion of new yuan loans, tumbling 89 per cent from June — and half the amount of a year earlier. Housing sales in terms of footage fell 6.5 per cent in the first seven months of the year, after shrinking by nearly one-quarter last year. In a country where three-fifths of household assets are tied up in real estate, that decline is alarming.

The anxiety is running so high that people are using a social media site called Xiaohongshu to post talismans they think could help them sell houses.

View attachment 949891
Beijing is desperate for its citizens to start spending, but consumer confidence is low.CREDIT:BLOOMBERG

China slipped into deflation after the government’s draconian “zero-COVID” policy drastically suppressed consumption and business activity last year. Chenggang Xu, an economist at Stanford University, explained why deflation can be pernicious.

“The best scenario is that everyone expects prices will keep decreasing, so they will keep waiting for the prices to fall further,” he said. “The worst scenario is that people are very scared and very anxious.” Fear about their jobs or the survival of their businesses, he said, will cause them to save more and spend less, pushing the economy further into the trap of deflation.
With anxiety running high, people are already saving more and spending less.


Cob Liu, founder of an education startup in a big city in southwestern China, said his revenue has remained flat this year, which is bad for a company that used to grow 40 per cent a year. Liu, in his mid-30s, has about $US1.5 million in cash but is determined to keep his monthly spending around $US800, half of which goes to rent. He will keep his five-year-old Toyota Corolla and not buy property anytime soon. He bought apartments in two complexes in 2019 and the developers of both stopped building after running out of money. That is a nightmare that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Chinese have been going through since the housing boom came to a sudden end.

Liu believes that the decline in the Chinese economy could drag on for years. He sold all his positions in mainland China stocks earlier this year and said he would not touch shares of any Chinese companies, even if they’re traded in New York or Hong Kong.

Boris Dai, 44, is a commercial real estate consultant in Beijing who earned less than $US15,000 in the first six months of this year. That is half what he made during the pandemic and less than 15 per cent of his previous earnings. His other source of income — an office space he rents out — evaporated after his tenant went out of business six months ago.

“I can only lie flat,” Dai said, using a phrase that describes taking a break from relentless work. “I have no expectations for the future.” He converted his SUV into a sleeper vehicle so he and his wife could save on hotels when they travel.

View attachment 949893
Chinese sharemarkets have been hit hard.CREDIT:AP

Even entrepreneurs who are doing well are reluctant to take out loans because of their uncertain prospects.
Mark Fu, founder of a financial advisory firm with offices in Chengdu and Hong Kong, said his business has been booming this year. Many wealthy
Chinese, he explained, realised during the pandemic that money couldn’t buy them safety or dignity and have sought his help to move their financial assets outside China. Banks offered him business loans at low interest rates, but he’s reluctant to take on debt. Instead of expanding, he has reduced his staff to 10 employees from 12 through attrition.

He said he was horrified by the government’s clampdowns on one industry after another during the pandemic. He said he used to believe that if he worked hard, he would succeed. Now he fears that how he runs his business isn’t what matters most.

“Is the government going to wipe you all out in one go?” he asked. “Or let you make some money?” He also has an apartment he’s been unable to sell.

The mood on social media has become so bleak that a commentary in Securities Daily, an official publication, called for the suppression of posts that speculate about troubles ahead. Rumour-mongering had set off market fluctuations, the article said, quoting headlines such as “China’s version of Lehman Brothers is coming!” and “A brokerage firm to hold a conference call of ‘the darkest hour.’”

People despair because they can’t picture how China can get out of its downward spiral. The root of the troubles, they believe, is the ideology of Xi Jinping, China’s paramount leader, who seems to dislike the private sector and has dismantled elements of the market economy that made China an economic success.

At 35, Andy Wang quit his job at a bank earlier this year to prepare to apply for graduate school in Australia. He was put off last fall when a slate of new party leaders was announced, all proteges of Xi. “The corrective ability of this country was lost after that,” he said.

His parents are wealthy, but he’s pessimistic he will have the same opportunities they once enjoyed. “I can’t see any way to make money in this country,” he said. “I’m not even sure if I can maintain my current living standard. I could only strive for survival.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

It sounds as though the author, who may be young, is seeing a recession for the first time in his life. China is a (almost) market economy now and hence will be governed by laws of business cycle just like any market economy. There will be recessions, some mild, some severe, depending on many factors and how long an expansion has taken place. Cheer up. This is not the end of China.
 
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Indians and Taiwanese are the main force of the U.S. cyber army, operating the Internet in English and Chinese respectively.

They want to create a social unrest in China.

They fail to control the media, now they are using social media.
 
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