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I AM A HAZARA

This should be "I AM A PAKISTANI" this sort of sentiment is what causes so many problems in Pakistan. Nation should come before ethnic group/tribe/religion/political alligence etc this is how you get splintering and division.


There needs to be a strong national identity.
 
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Inter race contact and communication is so rare in Pakistan that after spending decades in Pakistan and living near a large Hazara Population,i always thought they are Afghan Uabeks.....
Its worse in Karachi where if you go to Pushtoon areas you will find people who don't know Urdu as despite living in the largest and most multi ethnic city of Pakistan they never talk to a non pushtoon...
Many of us know more about People of USA than people of Pakistan...
And no all these killings cannot be only attributed to Religious tension,there is a factor of racial tension in the story...
Hazara,look different from the general perception of a Pakistani face,and thats why people are wary of them.
Our media can help..Instead of airing documentaries about abroad..they can air programs about different ethnic minorities of Pakistan,and introduce them....
 
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This should be "I AM A PAKISTANI" this sort of sentiment is what causes so many problems in Pakistan. Nation should come before ethnic group/tribe/religion/political alligence etc this is how you get splintering and division.


There needs to be a strong national identity.

National pride and national identity is what we lack....and desperately need...
 
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National pride and national identity is what we lack....and desperately need...

Yes,very much so. And this comes as a surprise to me. Before I joined PDF I always thought Pakistanis were on the whole one of the most nationlistic people around but since joining PDF and doing some research I have been stunned to see my views before were nowhere near accurate.
 
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National pride and national identity is what we lack....and desperately need...

These strengths do not grow by themselves as weeds, but need to be cultivated over decades of hard, sustained, and coordinated efforts.
 
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Yes,very much so. And this comes as a surprise to me. Before I joined PDF I always thought Pakistanis were on the whole one of the most nationlistic people around but since joining PDF and doing some research I have been stunned to see my views before were nowhere near accurate.

We are a mixed bunch really. Very hard to understand.

Suppose if there is a war between Pak and India, then a 5 year old boy to a 90 year old man will be shouting at the top of his lungs, from Karachi to Peshawar and Quetta, but in times like current ones, when there is no war, we fight on our differences.

It's quite an odd thing IMO.
 
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We are a mixed bunch really. Very hard to understand.

Suppose if there is a war between Pak and India, then a 5 year old boy to a 90 year old man will be shouting at the top of his lungs, from Karachi to Peshawar and Quetta, but in times like current ones, when there is no war, we fight on our differences.

It's quite an odd thing IMO.

I understand. But this is very destructive and Pakistan is tearing itself apart because of this attitude. It should ALWAYS be Nation first, everything else second.
 
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I understand. But this is very destructive and Pakistan is tearing itself apart because of this attitude. It should ALWAYS be Nation first, everything else second.

Yes, that should be it.

But I don't really get it who does this. It is always very easy to blame MQM, ANP and PPP for violence in Karachi, Sipahe Sahaba for Quetta Hazara killings, TTP for Peshawar, and South Punjab groups for Punjab violence, but I think that it all goes very much deeper than that.

I have travelled alot in Pakistan, from Quetta, to Karachi, Northern Areas, and ofcourse Punjab. Never have I encountered people who say that they are not going to offer prayer behind a Sunni or Shia or anything, or other things like it. Sure everybody has their own grudge and differences with some particular person, who doesn't? But I have never encountered people who would be really mad about it. I have Baloch, Pakhtoon, Punjabi, and even a Hazara friend, and Shias included, but we get along very well, and they get along very well, and we aren't any top class spoiled kind of people that we are oblivious to the street culture.

Are we glorifying the deeds of these crooks to such an extent that people really think that these crooks are right afterall? Are we giving unnecessary attention to them? Are we falling prey to their mentality too easily? Are we getting confused? These are questions that need to be answered, and I don't think I have them. This is a huge mess behind the scenes. Target killing, ANP, MQM, TTP, SSP, South Punjab, LeT, and whatnot, all the four provinces were struck with bombings on one day, majority against Shia people, what the heck is going on????
 
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We are a mixed bunch really. Very hard to understand.

Suppose if there is a war between Pak and India, then a 5 year old boy to a 90 year old man will be shouting at the top of his lungs, from Karachi to Peshawar and Quetta, but in times like current ones, when there is no war, we fight on our differences.

It's quite an odd thing IMO.

This is so damn true....
we are complicated people....In peace time we are less united,and most of the time pulling each others legs..Come a war and all of us united..
Recent example is the unanimous joint party declaration of unity if a war is imposed against Pakistan by USA...
I was surprised to see the nation united all the way from Gilgit to Karachi...

But to me me we rather be united in peace time to build the nation..
 
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Yes, that should be it.

But I don't really get it who does this. It is always very easy to blame MQM, ANP and PPP for violence in Karachi, Sipahe Sahaba for Quetta Hazara killings, TTP for Peshawar, and South Punjab groups for Punjab violence, but I think that it all goes very much deeper than that.

I have travelled alot in Pakistan, from Quetta, to Karachi, Northern Areas, and ofcourse Punjab. Never have I encountered people who say that they are not going to offer prayer behind a Sunni or Shia or anything, or other things like it. Sure everybody has their own grudge and differences with some particular person, who doesn't? But I have never encountered people who would be really mad about it. I have Baloch, Pakhtoon, Punjabi, and even a Hazara friend, and Shias included, but we get along very well, and they get along very well, and we aren't any top class spoiled kind of people that we are oblivious to the street culture.

Are we glorifying the deeds of these crooks to such an extent that people really think that these crooks are right afterall? Are we giving unnecessary attention to them? Are we falling prey to their mentality too easily? Are we getting confused? These are questions that need to be answered, and I don't think I have them. This is a huge mess behind the scenes. Target killing, ANP, MQM, TTP, SSP, South Punjab, LeT, and whatnot, all the four provinces were struck with bombings on one day, majority against Shia people, what the heck is going on????
Very interesting, I understand your's is a very localised POV and can't really be scaled up and is anecdotal by nature but your experince is in stark contrast to what is painted of Pakistan right now. But it is even more confusing because we can see for ourselves the cost of s divded society in the form of the violence so it is a good question- "who is doing this"??
 
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This is so damn true....
we are complicated people....In peace time we are less united,and most of the time pulling each others legs..Come a war and all of us united..
Recent example is the unanimous joint party declaration of unity if a war is imposed against Pakistan by USA...
I was surprised to see the nation united all the way from Gilgit to Karachi...

But to me me we rather be united in peace time to build the nation..


There's nothing odd about it. salman rushdie seems to have explained it well . start from 2:10.
 
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^^^ Hello..dont derail the thread...
We wont take gold and diamonds from a guy like him,let alone advice...
 
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There's nothing odd about it. salman rushdie seems to have explained it well . start from 2:10.

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Actually whole of Baluchistan is in a mess. What can one expect from a CM who has stated " Degree is a degree, whether real or fake!"


Here is an article by a Baluchi:

A snapshot of Balochistan


Sanaullah Baloch
Friday, November 23, 2012

Balochistan faces a multitude of problems, including worsening human rights violations, economic stagnation, Talibanisation, sectarian targeted killings, political assassinations, abductions for ransom, mass migration, deteriorating health and education infrastructures, mismanagement of natural resources, skyrocketing corruption, bad governance and institutional breakdown. These issues combined have brought the province to the verge of total collapse.

Balochistan is the victim of a deliberate disorder – a crisis that is no longer under the control of the authorities. The intention was to poison the social, political, cultural and ethnic fabric of the province.

In the past the province witnessed frequent conflicts with the central government on issues pertaining to the Baloch identity, political rights, economic exploitation, and over-involvement of government agencies in its affairs. Politically focused Baloch groups never used criminal tactics to harm civilians. An unwritten Baloch code, known as rawaj, has been the guiding principle for tribes and individuals. A Baloch violating the code during times of peace and conflict is no more regarded as a trusted and loyal individual in Baloch society.

It is evident that the root causes of the current wave of criminality and sectarian killings, and the rise of cases of kidnapping for ransom are not due to the political conflict between the Baloch and Islamabad. The source of social chaos is the government and its appendages.

During the resurgence of the conflict, Islamabad’s powerful elite hampered and discouraged any conflict resolution efforts, opting for a conflict escalation mechanism. This misguided policy was used to intimidate people and silence dissenting opinions. Failing to achieve its objective through brute force, Islamabad invented a new policy to create massive social disorder to bamboozle Pakistanis and the international community concerning the Baloch people’s genuine political grievances.

Events that occurred after 2005, and particularly during the PPP’s tenure, are a grim reminder of a state-sponsored policy of organised chaos.

Let us start with journalists. During the past four years as many as 24 journalists have been killed in Balochistan, and none of the perpetrators been apprehended. Almost all the journalists killed were local ethnic Baloch reporters and cameramen covering the missing persons’ issue, and highlighting corruption and other illegal activities of state agencies. The Vienna-based press watchdog IPI said that “impunity is fuelling the murders and, tragically, the likelihood that the perpetrators will be brought to justice is close to zero.”

Balochistan is well-known for its worsening health infrastructures and indicators. The recent surge in killing and in kidnapping of doctors in the province will worsen the health crisis in the impoverished province. A senior official of the provincial doctors’ association recently revealed that “twenty seven doctors have been killed and 12 more kidnapped for ransom in the past five years in the province. Dozens of senior and junior doctors have left for Europe and the Middle East.”

Kidnapping for ransom has become a profitable business for government-backed criminals and political aspirants, including religious extremists. Not a single perpetrator of these gruesome crimes has ever been arrested and tried. The provincial home minister once claimed that cabinet members were involved in criminal activities, but no action has ever been taken. Since government agencies abduct or kidnap political dissidents with the assistance of criminal gangs, the criminals then feel secure while abducting Hindu traders, doctors and businessmen. Unchecked kidnappings compelled hundreds of Hindus and members of other minority communities to migrate from Balochistan to neighbouring provinces.

Target killings and victimisation on the basis of religion have skyrocketed. The Hazara community has been persecuted ruthlessly. Had the perpetrators been apprehended, the killings would not have escalated.

In the total absence of moderate political elements, Talibanisation is in progress and could destroy Balochistan’s centuries-old moderate political culture. According to the May 2012 fact-finding mission of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan on Balochistan, Talibanisation is increasing in several areas of the province and in some cases security forces are perceived to be patronising extremism, turning Quetta into a haven for militants. Afghan militants have encroached on government land to the east and west of Quetta. The huge compounds, provided with basic amenities, are seen as a clear indication of the government’s support to these elements.

The Islamabad-based Conflict Monitoring Centre’s report released recently revealed shocking facts about the Taliban’s presence, activities and threats in the province. The report said that “Talibanisation has touched a dangerous level in Balochistan.”

Human rights violations have assumed epidemic proportions. A report released by Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2011 exposes the brutal and inhumane tactics used by Pakistan’s security agencies to suppress Baloch nationalists. It documented widespread use of enforced disappearances in Balochistan and reveals how the security forces use kidnappings, torture, and extrajudicial killings to terrorise the long-suffering Baloch people into submission.

HRCP’s fact-finding report, titled ‘Balochistan: Blinkered Slide into Chaos,’ depicts a horrifying human rights scenario in the province. According to the report, the state is victimising political activists, doctors, intellectuals, poets, teachers, students and other members of Baloch society.

Balochistan has suffered immensely in the past six decades. It is time to redress its grievances and end systematic oppression and exploitation of the Baloch people through a genuine and credible process. Genuine peace – one not enforced through the security apparatus – will produce an assortment of positive outcomes.

The writer is a former senator from Balochistan. Email: balochbnp@gmail.com
A snapshot of Balochistan - Sanaullah Baloch
 
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