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Convicted drug lord Naw Kham heads for the Chinese execution chamber March 1.



A pair of ostensibly unrelated New York Times‘ stories recently jumped out at me.

Understand, the paper itself made no attempt to link the two.

What struck me was just how calmly the Times reported 3,000 (!) targeted assassinations by the Obama Administration since 2009, after rather breathlessly noting - just days before – China’s “hard-nosed display of the government’s political and economic clout across Laos, Myanmar and Thailand.”

Granted, the paper took both governments to task for their actions. It’s just that the wording and tone differed so much: matter-of-fact for the de facto White House Office of Global Assassination, but notably alarmed about China’s “powerful Ministry of Public Security” nabbing and executing one guy — convicted drug lord Naw Kham.

Beijing, you see, coordinated this drug lord’s capture by local Laotian police, and then had him immediately extradited to China, where he was summarily tried and executed him in a live TV broadcast. Beijing, it seems, thought about simply offing this guy with a drone, but decided against that. The drug lord was found guilty of masterminding the murder of 13 Chinese seamen operating on a Laotian river.

The action was compared – quite brilliantly I thought – to the U.S. sending General John Pershing down to Mexico to nab Pancho Villa after he killed 18 Americans in New Mexico in 1916. Reference was also made, via the same quoted expert, to this being a preliminary display of China’s “Monroe Doctrine” for Southeast Asia.

Fair enough, say I. Great powers reserve the right to police bad actors in their neighborhoods.

It just got me thinking, though.

America currently reserves the right to kill something like 700 to 800 foreign citizens a year – often right in nations bordering China (Afghanistan, Pakistan) — and that’s just “targeted killing” coming “to define war on terror” and constituting a “mark of the Obama era.” But if China arrests and then publicly executes somebody in its actual neighborhood (and not on the other side of the planet) . . . well, that is provocative, my friends!

Seriously, sometimes it just gets so clear that America’s hypocrisy on such subjects is painfully obvious to everybody but ourselves.

Last week OPEC predicted that China will surpass the U.S. as the world’s largest importer of oil by 2014. It’s a stunning turn of historical trends, reflecting both the U.S. fracking revolution and Beijing’s skyrocketing energy use.

So understand, in that unfolding future global reality, it makes far more sense for China to be killing several hundreds of bad actors truly distant from its shores, and for America to go back to occasionally nabbing the local Villa types, and, by and large, minding its own strategic business.

Now, we all know that’s not going to happen any time soon.

My point is simply to note that China’s still vastly underperforms in the flaunting-of-clout department while the U.S. still vastly over-reaches – relative to actual global economic connectivity/dependency of each nation.

In truth, we should be celebrating what China did.

Washington keeps complaining to Beijing that it needs to play more of the “responsible stakeholder” role. Well, Beijing just did. And it bothered to hold a trial before executing the bad guy, something the U.S. rarely deigns to do (as the Times’ story nicely pointed out).

So just remember these relative distinctions the next time we (the kettle) decide to call the pot (China) black for its supposedly provocative actions.

Washington has a tendency to hold other powers to standards that it routinely flaunts – plain and simple
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Too simplistic and an apple vs oranges comparison. US's bad guys if were Chinese's bad guys- china would do the same if capable.

We kill terrorists via drones not drug lords. We have captured, tried and jailed several drug lords from other countries.

And we have a not perfect but a way way more independent judicial system
 
The US is the biggest extra-judicial killer in the world, this is an uncomfortable fact to digest for people - in the US who belief in the law. This article states the obvious dichotomy.
 
The US is the biggest extra-judicial killer in the world, this is an uncomfortable fact to digest for people - in the US who belief in the law. This article states the obvious dichotomy.

Well, our philosphy is : don't come after us with the extremism and we won't bother you. don't harbor terrorists in your lands , fund them , train them and we won't come after you... really simple as such
 
Well, our philosphy is : don't come after us with the extremism and we won't bother you. don't harbor terrorists in your lands , fund them , train them and we won't come after you... really simple as such
@JayAtl Fair enough - then don't criticize other countries on human rights - and show your hipocrisy.
 
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@JayAtl Fair enough - then don't criticize other countries on human rights - and show your hipocrisy.

Why not?

You think killing terrorists is the same like assad is killing his citizens, now over 50,000?
You think killing terrorists is the same as like Sudan's leaders involved in 450,000 deaths / genocide?
You think killing terrorists is the same as throwing people in jail with no day in court for years on end?
You think killing terrorists is the same as having govt backed murder squads set upon ones the political opposition?
You think killing terrorists is the same as not allowing women to get an education?
You think killing terrorists is the same as as allowing young girls ,a s young as 3,4,5,6 yrs forced into marriage?

should I go on? or do you understand that " most human rights complains" are different than killing terrorists.

Your country kills the terrorists too yeah? the " bad taliban"
 
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Why not?

You think killing terrorists is the same like assad is killing his citizens, now over 50,000?
You think killing terrorists is the same as like Sudan's leaders involved in 450,000 deaths / genocide?
You think killing terrorists is the same as throwing people in jail with no day in court for years on end?
You think killing terrorists is the same as having govt backed murder squads set upon ones the political opposition?
You think killing terrorists is the same as not allowing women to get an education?
You think killing terrorists is the same as as allowing young girls ,a s young as 3,4,5,6 yrs forced into marriage?

should I go on? or do you understand that " most human rights complains" are different than killing terrorists.

Your country kills the terrorists too yeah? the " bad taliban"

Don't preach, you do extra judicial killings.
 
Don't preach, you do extra judicial killings.

If there were no terrorists training, arming, funding and camps - supported by govt's or a wink and nod approach towards them- we would not have to do extra-judicial killing.
 
^The point is you can apprehend and try terrorists instead of killing them extra-judicially. You are signatory to the Geneva convention and various UN protocols on treatment of enemy combatants, and are thus legally bound by them.
 
Too simplistic and an apple vs oranges comparison. US's bad guys if were Chinese's bad guys- china would do the same if capable.

We kill terrorists via drones not drug lords. We have captured, tried and jailed several drug lords from other countries.

And we have a not perfect but a way way more independent judicial system

When jayalt the indian migrant uses the word WE i m having this:omghaha:

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When jayalt the indian migrant uses the word WE i m having this:omghaha:

I know you do- after all you are never going to be fabric of any country you chose to be citizen of- you are going to be a " seditious" import that fell through the crack.

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this is kind of stupid thread to open

Good verus Evil. Depend on where you are, what you mean "Good" is not or may not be the standard of "Good" with others.

If you have to open these kind of thread, you need to also put a location in the tag. Like

Good Chinese vs Bad American

Literally you need to open a thread for all the country there are in the world with the title

Good [INsert Country name] vs Bad [Insert Country name]

This is kind of stupid..
 
I know you do- after all you are never going to be fabric of any country you chose to be citizen of- you are going to be a " seditious" import that fell through the crack.

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Sorry you just cannt compare me and you i m all yellow , i m not a cocomut like you:omghaha: and after all i never use the word WE:omghaha:
 
^The point is you can apprehend and try terrorists instead of killing them extra-judicially. You are signatory to the Geneva convention and various UN protocols on treatment of enemy combatants, and are thus legally bound by them.
I doubt that you actually read of those UN protocols. :lol:

Not all enemy combatants are legal combatants. For starter...
 

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