I don't entirely agree with your argument and you're glossing over similar global events to malign Pakistan. Don't you remember the anti-Trump protests and the ongoing protests in India about that bollywood film? Perhaps you haven't since international media (especially American) don't focus on it nearly as much as they focus on protests in Pakistan. As soon as they find out it is a protest related to Islam, they start going crazy.
So what happened here? You were factually arguing with me and now the discussion went to Hollywood, Bollywood and blames. Care to answer my questions so may be I can be better educated vs. "the propaganda against Pakistan"? I am here to listen. You are here to make a case so I can understand the reality. I am smarter than you think I am. If you can present facts, I know what right and wrong are. Please answer my original questions. Thank you.
Like, I've said, the proper following of Islam would not allow for this. Islam is about aiming to please God, not fulfilling selfish desires. There are hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world who strive for this mindset and no doubt, there are many in Pakistan as well. You will not find allowance in Islam for these immoralities and violence is only permitted in exceptional circumstances so the problem lies in the individual, not the religion.
I do agree though, that there are many in Pakistan who just think about worldly gains and this needs to change.
I agree with you on the notion of Islam and what it stands for. I don't think there is doubt. And same goes for Christianity and Judaism. None of these religions teach hate and wars. But they are done by people under the name of religions when these are personal agendas. Which is why I believe religion is and should be a personal thing. Doesn't need to be enforced on others so that the wars and all can stop as no God wants us to kill humans.
But the point was that I showed you, from your religious elite, to political elite, to the military elite, they follow the religion for whatever degree and that's fine. They ALL follow and love $$. So it the human nature. So how do you distant that and who is left "clean" here when everyone is naked in the locker rooms.....?
What good is a leader who does not try their best for a country? People are absolutely right to reject the leadership of someone whose primary objectives are to enrich their own lives and their lives of their family members at the expense of the rest of the population. I could make the same blind argument about every human on this planet by merely assuming they are selfish and corrupt because of the actions of a few. I could easily say that every American will sell their values for monetary gain, like so many of your congressmen and women do.
How do you know that someone didn't try the best and who are you referring to? Let's build a list of work that helps the average citizen and that would tell us how much they have actually worked and how hard. You see, there is only one measure of success in a nation. When stuff gets build. You can't hide highways, roads, airports, nicer hospitals, etc, etc. That is progress for a nation as everything creates jobs. Under Trump, we are in another construction boom since the 1959. Every highway you go to, is being expanded, every clogged up artery main road is now being built as a highway, etc. So this is where a daily wage worker to a highest paid engineer and architects make money. If under construction is a hospital, that would create thousands of nursing, medical / doctors, staff, finance, down to janitor level jobs. So its very easy to see someone's progress. Just see what was built under them. Give me the name and I can pull a list of deeds for them as we call it.
Pakistan is a country that is 90% Muslim so it's hardly surprising that their aren't many non-Muslims in positions of power. That doesn't make it intolerant, does it? Do you think your country would ever allow a Muslim to become president? Look how few minorities are represented in American politics.
1: You keep comparing somehow India and America to Pakistan. Allow me to be clear, you are no where close. Not even 99.9% close. I can't understand why would you do this unless you really have any logic here. But avoid that please. These are time tested democracies. You guys aren't a democracy yet. The day a civilian government is allowed 5 years, and allowed to build policies independently, that's when you'd become democratic.
Back to touching on your question quickly, which sounds silly if you knew anything about the American government, its 30-45% at the State level based on minorities. Muslims aren't the main minority here. They are less than 1% so its silly to add the word Muslims in there as if this was our major minority. We have blacks, hispanics, American Indians and Indians (your neighbors) in larger numbers. Why there aren't Muslims in seats? Because you guys live here and do exactly what you do in Pakistan. Which is nothing. While Indian kids, from 15 years, are trained to be a leader later in life, they volunteer, they do everything that a future Senator or a President of the US (unless we see another billionaire) is doing. All minorities vote heavily. Muslims, less than 30% vote. No lobby, etc. So unless the Muslims realize they need to be added to the political stream, for which they have to work for, no one is going to go to their homes and beg them to participate. Muslim doctors make millions, but outside of building mosques or a free clinic, their contribution to the American society is limited. I've seen many school's auditoriums with Indian names, meaning someone donated a lot of money for good. But how come I don't see that from a Muslim businessman or rich family? They want to be involved, they have to do the good stuff everyone else does right? But somehow, you guys don't want to give up money
. So unless you spend some, no one's going to show too much love as you've cut yourself out as a population from the rest of the country.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ss-sets-new-high-for-racial-ethnic-diversity/
There have been many non-Muslim leaders in the army (admittedly none becoming a chief of army staff but it's not like it's happened in America or India) like Major Generals Julian Peter and Noel Israel Kokhar and Major Hercharn Singh despite how small the Christian and Sikh community is in Pakistan.
Shahbaz Bhatti, who was sadly killed by the TTP (who are enemies of the state) was the federal minister for minorities affairs and Tridev Roy was a loyal Buddhist politician. How does India compare with it's 20+% of minorities?
I asked specifically for people who made it to the highest ranks and a few of them from each side. Why does the law stop non Muslims from getting to the top? Sadly there are laws you guys have in place. Are we saying the human born into a Pakistani Christian family would be less of a human being and not mentally sharp enough because they are a minority? Are we saying that this child doesn't and shouldn't have the same growth potential compared to your own child? If yes, isn't it against the basic principles of Islam to not discriminate among people?
Ah, because Pakistan is just that one neighbour whose to blame for all the hatred and enmity in the neighbourhood, isn't it?
It's almost funny how you gloss over so much to make Pakistan look like the one that causes all this trouble in the region. Whilst Pakistan is clearly to blame in part for the mess in Afghanistan and the Kashmir issue as well as terrorism in the region, it is far from the only party responsible.
America entered Afghanistan to fight its war with the USSR which led to mass deaths and destruction in Afghanistan. America is the one supplying masses of arms to our Eastern enemies and tilting a delicate balance of regional power to cause instability at the expense of Pakistan. I could go on to describe the malicious activites of our neighbours but that is well known.
AHHH! My favorit 50 years old story. The Afghan war, next to my favorite story of Aladin from probably a 100 years ago. Yes, we did what was needed for the Afghan war with you guys jumping in with joy and scared of the Russians to cross you over by sheer size, in a month to Karachi. So we are guilty of you not becoming Russia. That's fine. And so was the Mujahedeen created. Ok, I can see that.
Do you grow as a person or will you always be the same age? Have you seen you age go up? Just like that the maturity goes up. Now use the wisdom God gave you for a minute. For the past 50 years, we left you with the Mujahedeen, we get that. But what did you do to not invite that mess more as a country? Today, you are saying to US that you can''t do XYZ because of your national interests. Which I can understand. Why did this not come out in the Afghan war? Because you were protecting your OWN home from getting eaten up by the Red Bear!!!! Which is why Afghan's hate you because they feel like you fought your war through them on their soil and at the end you walked away. So who to blame here
. I would love to hear a proper logic here. So
Second, a civilian government makes growth, employment and other aspects of a country. You guys haven't done any of that till recently. A military government is totally incapable of doing so as that's asking a Car Mechanic to operate a Stock Market. Two different skills. So back to my basics, if you HAD a real system and people were allowed their terms, then you'd see that their policies worked. Today's infrastructure designs outside of CPEC, are primarily from 1997 I believe as I have seen these files. So the globe has made transition to leaps and bounds. India went from one of the lowest end countries to the top 3rd economy in these 20 years. And you guys are implementing those 20 year old infrastructure projects today as those create the foundational print for future growth. How late???? Now tying this back, if the dictators weren't there, the civilians, just like this time and 20 years ago, would've put a different narrative and would've continued to grow the nation and everyone would be busy vs. joining the jihad. So you can't throw everything on Americans when your nation has no freaking clue in terms of its future goals and that they need to work as a nation, not groups, to achieve something. I see it clearly in the US. Indians, Bangladeshis work very well as a team, they own an amazing amount of real estate. Then there are the Pakistanis. Outside of being doctors and build individual wealth, there are a handful who have made a name for themselves. That's pretty sad. Your nation is all individual based because all your life, you see dictators and in your minds, its always a one man show. When in reality, its a team work. Until your nation doesn't agree to working together and Sindh and Pashtuns and all end their issues and work as Pakistanis, we'd be sitting here blaming America for all of your internal divide. I am surprised no one blamed the big earth quake on the USA 10 years ago
. Again, you nation need to work and act as one nation and have tolerance for others and openness to minorities and all. Until you open your hearts, it will be like this.
With respect, you are speaking as the embodiment of US foreign policy: Treating one party as the sole cause of problems while putting words in the mouths of nations that don't want you to represent them and would have a much better chance of achieving peace without you. You even attempt to try to speak for Iranians while as their neighbours who share cultural and religious links, Pakistan know much more about them than America.
If you look above, the topic is Pakistan. So I am addressing what I am seeing in Pakistan. If you want to talk about India, which has grown tremendously, but has internal issues, please open up a new thread. But if you decide to answer my post. Do stay rational please.
