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Huawei Warns Trump And Google: You’re Running Out Of Time

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Huawei’s well-orchestrated media campaign continued this week, as the Shenzhen tech giant continued to battle the unprecedented U.S. sanctions and campaign levelled against it. In recent weeks, the focus of that campaign has been continued growth across both network equipment and consumer products, sending the message to Washington that the blacklist is not working as planned. Yes, it is having an impact—but not one that is going to change the global technology landscape anytime soon. Well, at least not in a way the U.S. would want to see. And that is the deeper context behind that message Huawei is sending to Washington—be careful what you wish for.

The greatest blacklist impact so far on Huawei has been the loss of Google from its new consumer devices. This has proven to be the one piece of tech it can’t “un-Americanize.” On the one hand, this has introduced risk into Huawei’s sales growth outside China, but on the other hand it is becoming apparent that U.S. technology giants, in particular Google, may pay a long-term price if Huawei’s isolation continues, if Huawei is forced into a genuine Plan B. And if that happens, the U.S. risks losing its monopoly influence over key elements of worldwide technology standards.

The issue here is that if Huawei is forced to build a Google-free future, it raises the possibility of a third-way alternative to full-fat Android and iOS that is controlled in China and not California. If that happens, if an app ecosystem can be nurtured that competes with the two global operating systems, and if manufacturers from China and South East Asia jump onboard, the tech landscape will have changed materially. None of the U.S. tech giants want to see this, a new landscape driven by Washington that has a drastic impact on the country’s own tech sector.

There were echoes of this deeper context again this week, with a Huawei exec hinting—or threatening, depending on how you view it—that the company will have to decide its future within the next few months: Continue with Google or take that different path. The threat centres on Huawei’s IoT operating system, HarmonyOS, which was designed for smart TVs and appliances, but which (Huawei execs have hinted since the blacklist hit) could become a Google Android alternative on smartphones.

In truth, the HarmonyOS badge can mean many things. Despite company execs stressing that it could become a short-term Android replacement when the blacklist first hit, this was soon revised down, with an admission that it was not designed for smartphones after all. But now a fudge has been found—the restricted elements of Android—Google Play, Maps, Gmail, Pay—can be replaced, but the open-source and unrestricted Android can remain. “Harmony is not a replacement for Android," Huawei VP Vincent Pang told the press. “It's a next generation of Android."

If that was a hint as to the latest thinking in Shenzhen, it came with an implied threat: Time is fast running out for a return to business as usual. "We cannot wait more, we missed one flagship,” Peng said, referring to the Google-less Mate 30 that launched in September to a flat international sales response. The clear implication is that before the company’s next product launch cycles, starting in the Spring and running to the Fall, some certainty will need to be found. And Google badly wants back in the mix.

In May, when the U.S. stripped Huawei of its U.S. supply chain, the company’s CEO Ren Zhengfei told Bloomberg that “it's good enough for us to just survive—you can come back to interview us in two or three years and see if we still exist.” But it has not worked out as expected. Huawei has continued to grow its consumer business, leaving Apple further behind and chasing down Samsung for the global crown. Huawei also still leads the pack for network equipment sales, despite a relentless U.S. campaign claiming the company is a national security risk.

Huawei’s smartphone resilience has been driven by China’s insatiable demand for its devices, its networking resilience has been supported by Europe, where it has signed half of its recent contracts. Both those markets have shown resistance to U.S. pressure, which tells Washington that it needs to decide which battles to fight. Ultimately, given the U.S. blacklist has failed to reverse Huawei’s growth, would Washington be better served using it as leverage in wider negotiations with Beijing?

A reading of the news coming out of Washington does suggest something like this is now in mind. The Commerce Department has confirmed that it is preparing to grant exemption licenses for U.S. companies to sell to Huawei. And, as reported by my colleague David Phelan for Forbes, a wider, temporary blacklist blacklist exemption that expires on Monday is under review. When the last extension to this wider exemption was granted, U.S. officials said it would be the last such move. Now, though, there is talk of a longer extension—perhaps after a two week grace period.

What is clear is that the U.S. line on Huawei—rhetoric apart—is much more complex than it was two months ago. The company is proving resilient, and its use as a bridge between Beijing and Moscow has unnerved certain watchers. As things stand, Shenzhen has reason for optimism that it may have ridden out the eye of the storm. For the U.S., though, there is still much to play for. Its key decision now is around what it extracts from Huawei or Beijing in return for continuing this direction of travel.

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Zak Doffman

I am the Founder/CEO of Digital Barriers—a company providing advanced surveillance tech to the defence, national security, counter-terrorism and critical infrastructure sectors. I write about the intersection of geopolitics and cybersecurity, as well as breaking security and surveillance stories. Contact me at zakd@me.com
 
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yeah, wishful thinking and extremely unrealistic.

I stopped reading once the guy mentioned that Huawei will make its own amazing OS and blah blah blah.

Apple is one of the biggest companies on the planet, Mac OS is still only 15% of the market.

Blackberry, Nokia, Palm (LG), and Windows have all spent billions collectively to get into mobile OS and they all failed.

Point is, Huawei can make the worlds best OS, but the world is not interested. Apple and Android will continue to dominate until a new seismic shift in the market happens, like how the smart phone was a seismic shift.

This is a feelgood story and not based on reality at all.
 
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yeah, wishful thinking and extremely unrealistic.

I stopped reading once the guy mentioned that Huawei will make its own amazing OS and blah blah blah.

Apple is one of the biggest companies on the planet, Mac OS is still only 15% of the market.

Blackberry, Nokia, Palm (LG), and Windows have all spent billions collectively to get into mobile OS and they all failed.

Point is, Huawei can make the worlds best OS, but the world is not interested. Apple and Android will continue to dominate until a new seismic shift in the market happens, like how the smart phone was a seismic shift.

This is a feelgood story and not based on reality at all.
I agree it's kind of late to get into the smart phone OS market. Even Microsoft failed. But better late than never.

China still have chance to develop own smart phone OS, the Chinese market only can cultivate the OS and ecosystem. Not to mention many other countries. It's long term game, the window has not been completely closed.
 
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yeah, wishful thinking and extremely unrealistic.

I stopped reading once the guy mentioned that Huawei will make its own amazing OS and blah blah blah.

Apple is one of the biggest companies on the planet, Mac OS is still only 15% of the market.

Blackberry, Nokia, Palm (LG), and Windows have all spent billions collectively to get into mobile OS and they all failed.

Point is, Huawei can make the worlds best OS, but the world is not interested. Apple and Android will continue to dominate until a new seismic shift in the market happens, like how the smart phone was a seismic shift.

This is a feelgood story and not based on reality at all.

what made Apple, Windows and Google big is not the services they offered but the Country (US), the economy (US) and big consumer market (US). All the basis of Apple, Google and windows are changing....so will the companies. Just like old empires are replaced by new ones so will the products.....Blackberry, Nokia and palm were the Apple and Google of a very near past and they were big because they were allowed to play on US grounds freely but in a very near future only those who will be allowed to play freely in China will become successful.
 
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what made Apple, Windows and Google big is not the services they offered but the Country (US), the economy (US) and big consumer market (US). All the basis of Apple, Google and windows are changing....so will the companies. Just like old empires are replaced by new ones so will the products.....Blackberry, Nokia and palm were the Apple and Google of a very near past and they were big because they were allowed to play on US grounds freely but in a very near future only those who will be allowed to play freely in China will become successful.
btw, the US companies benefit from China domestic market a lot. They get more profit from China market than Chinese companies get from US ones. As long as trade war goes on, there is no way China will let US companies suck Chinese money as easy as before. It's two way traffic.

Surplus and deficit in commodity trade is not the whole story at all. We need to consider investment, trade in service, money flow and many other things. It's win win, not the bullshit which Trump advocated.

I would rather Chinese develop a domestic smart phone OS, as well as PC OS, and provide them free to the world.

US dominance and bully is bad for everyone and every countries, enough is enough.
 
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what made Apple, Windows and Google big is not the services they offered but the Country (US), the economy (US) and big consumer market (US). All the basis of Apple, Google and windows are changing....so will the companies. Just like old empires are replaced by new ones so will the products.....Blackberry, Nokia and palm were the Apple and Google of a very near past and they were big because they were allowed to play on US grounds freely but in a very near future only those who will be allowed to play freely in China will become successful.

deeply disagree.

Pre iphone the world was dominated by Nokia (Finnish) and Blackberry (Canadian).

Your assumption is large market = success.
If that was the case, then China would the world leader in everything.
It is not.

Chinese companies do have access to the largest market in terms of people, but the west has the largest market with the largest wealth.

Huawei does not have the ability to challenge the old empire yet. Maybe in the future, but as of now all the west has to do is restrict its licence to ARM chips and huawei's phone are as valuable as a brick.

I agree it's kind of late to get into the smart phone OS market. Even Microsoft failed. But better late than never.

China still have chance to develop own smart phone OS, the Chinese market only can cultivate the OS and ecosystem. Not to mention many other countries. It's long term game, the window has not been completely closed.
The window will never be closed.
Problem is that making an OS is so difficult that in the history of the world only the US has managed to do it with any success.

You really need a certain kind of culture to make an OS. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China, etc all make amazing hardware but their software is garbage. It's Asian culture of rote memorization and deemphasis on creativity and individuality.

I am not saying China will never do it, I am just saying that China has a similar culture and education system to the other developed Asian countries and they produce junk software.

Heck, China uses Android for everything from phones to TVs, despite banning Google.
 
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yeah, wishful thinking and extremely unrealistic.

I stopped reading once the guy mentioned that Huawei will make its own amazing OS and blah blah blah.

Apple is one of the biggest companies on the planet, Mac OS is still only 15% of the market.

Blackberry, Nokia, Palm (LG), and Windows have all spent billions collectively to get into mobile OS and they all failed.

Point is, Huawei can make the worlds best OS, but the world is not interested. Apple and Android will continue to dominate until a new seismic shift in the market happens, like how the smart phone was a seismic shift.

This is a feelgood story and not based on reality at all.
I do not agree. Throwing billions at a mobile OS hasn't worked before(like in case of Microsoft for example) bcuz there hasn't been a wide enough adoption for it. Huawei can throw billions and have widescale adoption at least locally.

Initially their own OS would only have Chinese buyers. The Chinese ppl are used to having non Google alternatives for a while now...so to them it wouldn't make much difference. If anything the "anti-west" sentiment would only drive them more to buying Huawei products. This is already evident as the growth in sales was recently recorded for Huawei in the domestic Chinese market. Also due to sheer size of the domestic Chinese market alone...it is enough to survive and keep chugging along. This would give the much needed breathing space for Huawei to not only develop its own OS but also have it mature over time...iron out the bugs...and introduce features similar to iOS and android.

It is at this point that slowly we may see adoption of it in other markets. Yes there are ppl who don't trust Huawei due to Chinese gov involvement...so we can rule those out. Yes there are also ppl loyal to brands...like Apple fanboys(among others)...we can also rule those out as prospective customers. The adopters(from the non Chinese markets) would be those who don't care much for brand and love to explore new tech. I for one wouldn't care if the operating system isnt iOS or Android...so long as it offers similar experience. This is how a third OS can make inroads...it will be slow...but so long as it can survive that whole time, it will eventually succeed.
 
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I do not agree. Initially their own OS would only have Chinese buyers. The Chinese ppl are used to having non Google alternatives for a while now...so to them it wouldn't make much difference. If anything the "anti-west" sentiment would only drive them more to buying Huawei products. This is already evident as the growth in sales recently recorded for Huawei in the domestic Chinese market. Also due to sheer size of the domestic Chinese market alone...it is enough to survive and keep chugging along. This would give the much needed breathing space for Huawei to not only develop its own OS but also have it mature over time...iron out the bugs...and introduce features similar to iOS and android.

It is at this point that slowly we may see adoption of it in other markets. Yes there are ppl who don't trust Huawei due to Chinese gov involvement...so we can rule those out. Yes there are also ppl loyal to brands...like Apple fanboys(among others)...we can also rule those out as prospective customers. The adopters(from the non Chinese markets) would be those who don't care much for brand and love to explore new tech. I for one wouldn't care if the operating system isnt iOS or Android...so long as it offers similar experience. This is how a third OS can make inroads...it will be slow...but so long as it can survive that whole time, it will eventually succeed.
BRO!!
seriously!!

China RUNS on Android.
All mainstream Chinese phones in China have android on them.

You are confusing the fact that Google services are blocked, with Android is blocked.

China takes the free android built, packages it with its own app store and sells it.
Chinese people are 100% used to Android.

IF harmony OS is to work, every single Chinese app developer will have to spend $$$ to learn how to develop for it, make an app (that already exists on Android) that will work on the OS and then hope that people switch to Harmony OS so that its worth the money.

Reality is that hundreds of million of Chinese people are using Android, Android apps and don't really see a benefit to Harmony OS outside of jingoistic nationalism.


Blackberry, Simbian, WebOS, Windows Phone all tried to be 3rd option, they had deep pockets and access to the best tech.... History will just repeat itself.
 
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BRO!!
seriously!!

China RUNS on Android.
All mainstream Chinese phones in China have android on them.

You are confusing the fact that Google services are blocked, with Android is blocked.

China takes the free android built, packages it with its own app store and sells it.
Chinese people are 100% used to Android.

IF harmony OS is to work, every single Chinese app developer will have to spend $$$ to learn how to develop for it, make an app (that already exists on Android) that will work on the OS and then hope that people switch to Harmony OS so that its worth the money.

Reality is that hundreds of million of Chinese people are using Android, Android apps and don't really see a benefit to Harmony OS outside of jingoistic nationalism.


Blackberry, Simbian, WebOS, Windows Phone all tried to be 3rd option, they had deep pockets and access to the best tech.... History will just repeat itself.
U do know that android at its core is open source right? There is literally NOTHING stopping anyone from using it. Multiple forks of it ALREADY EXIST. The only thing where Google has a say in...in regards to the falling out between Huawei and US(and hence Google)...is that Huawei can't use Google Services. So let's say that ur crystal ball predicts that Harmony OS fails...and it does for all the reasons u said in ur post...
...what's stopping Huawei to roll out an Android based OS(a fork of Android)? Like u said the Chinese ppl are already used to android without Google service. I stand by my point...IF this feud continues...and Huawei is forced to part ways with Google...eventually a third OS WILL make its own place...initially in China...and then trickling out to other markets.
 
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U do know that android at its core is open source right? There is literally NOTHING stopping anyone from using it. Multiple forks of it ALREADY EXIST. The only thing where Google has a say in...in regards to the falling out between Huawei and US(and hence Google)...is that Huawei can't use Google Services. So let's say that ur crystal ball predicts that Harmony OS fails...and it does for all the reasons u said in ur post...
...what's stopping Huawei to roll out an Android based OS(a fork of Android)? Like u said the Chinese ppl are already used to android without Google service. I stand by my point...IF this feud continues...and Huawei is forced to part ways with Google...eventually a third OS WILL make its own place...initially in China...and then trickling out to other markets.

Bro
You are completely misunderstanding that situation here.

Android is already forked in China. All Chinese phones in China use a free Android version that has no connections to Google.
This is fine as the licence allows you to do it. The upshot is that for app developers, programming for Chinese android phones is exactly the same as programming for Official Google Android phones. Companies have 10 years of experience developing for Android.


Now Harmony OS is a COMPLETELY different OS. You need to start from scratch and spend $$$ to develop for it. No Android apps will be compatible and there is no infrastructure for it. You have to convince companies that have spent $$$ in the past 10 years to learn and develop for Android to throw that money away, spend even more money and learn and develop for Harmony OS, on the off chance that it will be popular.

I would bet that almost a billion people in China use a Chinese phone running Android, while 0 people in China are using Harmony OS.

I hope you understand the situation a little better now.
They are two different OS, Harmony isn't just a fork of Android.
 
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deeply disagree.

Pre iphone the world was dominated by Nokia (Finnish) and Blackberry (Canadian).

Your assumption is large market = success.
If that was the case, then China would the world leader in everything.
It is not.

Chinese companies do have access to the largest market in terms of people, but the west has the largest market with the largest wealth.

Huawei does not have the ability to challenge the old empire yet. Maybe in the future, but as of now all the west has to do is restrict its licence to ARM chips and huawei's phone are as valuable as a brick.


The window will never be closed.
Problem is that making an OS is so difficult that in the history of the world only the US has managed to do it with any success.

You really need a certain kind of culture to make an OS. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China, etc all make amazing hardware but their software is garbage. It's Asian culture of rote memorization and deemphasis on creativity and individuality.

I am not saying China will never do it, I am just saying that China has a similar culture and education system to the other developed Asian countries and they produce junk software.

Heck, China uses Android for everything from phones to TVs, despite banning Google.
You seems do not understand the difference between China and Japan/Korea. Your analysis apply to Japan and Korea, but not to China.

The largest IT companies in the world. Sort by revenue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_companies
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Bro
You are completely misunderstanding that situation here.

Android is already forked in China. All Chinese phones in China use a free Android version that has no connections to Google.
This is fine as the licence allows you to do it. The upshot is that for app developers, programming for Chinese android phones is exactly the same as programming for Official Google Android phones. Companies have 10 years of experience developing for Android.


Now Harmony OS is a COMPLETELY different OS. You need to start from scratch and spend $$$ to develop for it. No Android apps will be compatible and there is no infrastructure for it. You have to convince companies that have spent $$$ in the past 10 years to learn and develop for Android to throw that money away, spend even more money and learn and develop for Harmony OS, on the off chance that it will be popular.

I would bet that almost a billion people in China use a Chinese phone running Android, while 0 people in China are using Harmony OS.

I hope you understand the situation a little better now.
They are two different OS, Harmony isn't just a fork of Android.
I am not misunderstanding the situation. It seems u have missed the key point I'm making. Go back and read both of my posts. I never argued about Harmony OS being successful.

My argument was that if Huawei and Google feud continues...
"a THIRD OS would emerge"
Right now the market(whole world) is dominated by iOS and Android. With Huawei going its own way...there would be a third OS sharing in that chunk(first domestically and then slowly internationally).

This third OS may not be Harmony OS necessarily. They might fail with that or they might succeed. Eventually they will succeed though(whether with Harmony or a fork of Android).

Now coming to whether that third OS(software used by a phone that is neither Apple's nor Google's in terms of control)...is going to be entirely new from the ground up or is it going to be built atop the android base...

The very barebones android operating system(the open sourced one) is free for Huawei(or anyone) to use without any licensing from Google. Plenty of forks already exist...one such fork is LineageOS. There are others. If Huawei is to use that barebones android as the base...and build on top of it...it can come up with a third OS...
...an operating system not in terms of an inherently NEW one created from the ground up kind of operating system...
...but an operating system that branches out from an already existing one. An example of LineageOS can be used here. For example if in the world today the smartphones used around the world were using iOS(40%), Android OS(43%), and LineageOS(17%)...Lineage would make up that third OS. Yes it's based on Android at its core...yes apps developed for lineage can be used on Android and vice versa...but it is still an operating system.

So again...I'm not saying that it will be Harmony OS(an entirely new OS) that will emerge as the successful third OS taking away market share that has so far been dominated by iOS and Android. I'm saying there will emerge a third OS(whether or not an Android fork) that will take away market share from Google. Huawei has the domestic market to sustain itself until a mature third OS comes about.
 
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yeah, wishful thinking and extremely unrealistic.

I stopped reading once the guy mentioned that Huawei will make its own amazing OS and blah blah blah.

Apple is one of the biggest companies on the planet, Mac OS is still only 15% of the market.

Blackberry, Nokia, Palm (LG), and Windows have all spent billions collectively to get into mobile OS and they all failed.

Point is, Huawei can make the worlds best OS, but the world is not interested. Apple and Android will continue to dominate until a new seismic shift in the market happens, like how the smart phone was a seismic shift.

This is a feelgood story and not based on reality at all.
You miscalculated one thing, the largest hp market on earth is China. Once its used ny 500mil ppl an ecosystem develops around it. Why do you think US fears Huawei? This is a company who didnt even buckle under sanctions, ZTE buckled in a week.
 
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