Ren Zhengfei: Many of the technologies we are developing, the Americans have not yet begun
China Economic Net 2019-05-27 07:56:55
Source: Daily Economic News
On May 21, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei accepted an exclusive interview with CCTV reporter CC Dong from the Central Radio and Television Administration. At 21:30 on the evening of May 26, the interview was broadcast on the CCTV news channel "Face to Face" program.
Less than ten hours later, at 6 am Beijing time today (27th), Ren Zhengfei also appeared on the Bloomberg TV show on the other side of the ocean. Every Xiaobian (micro-signal: nbdnews) noticed that this broadcast was an interview clip taken by Ren Zhengfei at Huawei headquarters on the 25th.
Bloomberg TV live screenshot
Considering that before this, he has been interviewed by Japanese media and group visits by domestic media. In such a high-density and high-intensity interview in just a few months, after Ren Zhengfei founded Huawei in 1987, it was almost never seen.
In the words of Bai Yansong, the host of CCTV, "Before more than 120 days ago, the situation he faced was the house under the jurisdiction of his daughter Meng Zhouzhou. Now, Huawei is under house arrest by some countries."
In the face of the current situation, CCTV reporter Dong Qian bluntly asked questions in an interview. "Is Huawei the most dangerous and difficult time?"
Image source: CCTV video screenshot
In the face of such a rather sharp issue, Ren Zhengfei gave a series of exciting and wonderful answers.
At 6 am on the 27th, Beijing time, Bloomberg TV broadcasted an interview with Mr. Tom McKenzie, an Asia-Pacific reporter, at the Huawei headquarters. After the interview, Mackenzie also told the host of the New York studio that he was deeply impressed by the calmness of the total weightlifting.
Ren Zhengfei is impressed by American reporters
On the 27th, the Bloomberg Daybreak section of Bloomberg Television's Asia-Pacific early news broadcast the first time that Ren Zhengfei was interviewed.
Bloomberg TV live screenshot
At the beginning of the column, the reporter sitting in the Beijing studio, Tom Mackenzie, told the host of the New York headquarters that he was deeply impressed by Ren Zhengfei’s temperament during the interview.
"In the eyes of our outsiders, Huawei seems to be facing the same moments of life and death, but the impression given to me is very relaxed and calm. He is also very talkative. We talked a lot of topics and he has nothing to say, knowing nothing."
When talking about Trump’s decision on the ban, Ren Zhengfei laughed. In his opinion, many of Trump’s tweets were ridiculous and contradictory and could not be justified.
"The United States has never bought anything from me. How can I talk to me? I want to buy it in the future. I don't necessarily sell it to him. There is no need to talk about this situation. I will ignore Trump, then he also looks for it. No one is coming to negotiate."
Then, Mackenzie threw a sharp question: Some people in the world believe that Huawei's development achievements are derived from the theft of American technology. What do you think of this view?
Ren Zhengfei said that
"Then I am stealing the technology of the United States tomorrow, because (the things that Huawei is doing now) the United States has not made it. Where can I steal his technology?
It is more likely that the United States is stealing our technology, because we are currently ahead of the United States. If we are backward, then Trump will not hit us so hard. He hit us because we advanced him to fight. ”
Mackenzie later suggested that there were concerns that China would impose sanctions on Apple products as a counter-attack. Ren Zhengfei firmly said that it will never!
"If there is (this kind of situation), I must be the first to object. Apple is the world's greatest company, there is no apple to show the Internet world, and we can not appreciate the beauty of the world.
Apple is also our teacher. As a student, why should we go to the teacher? I will never do this. ”
Image source: Mackenzie personal Twitter account
Mackenzie also expressed his deep impression on Ren Zhengfei's broad mind and open mind.
In the face of an interview with CCTV reporters, Ren Zhengfei talked for 150 minutes and answered questions in various aspects in more detail.
Huawei is now at its best, ready to fight for a long time.
CCTV Moderator: When many people know that I am coming to interview you, they all hope that the first question I ask is, is Huawei the most dangerous and difficult time?
Ren Zhengfei: No, when the Meng Zhouzhou incident did not happen, our company was at the most dangerous moment. Everyone has money in their pockets, disobeying distribution, and not willing to work in hard places. This is a dangerous state.
Now, our company is full of excitement, eradicating mediocrity, and fighting power. How did we get to the most dangerous time at this time? It should be at its best.
Image source: CCTV live screenshot
CCTV Moderator: How are you going to face the long-standing Sino-US trade frictions in the future?
Ren Zhengfei: We are prepared to fight a protracted war. We are not prepared to make short-term assaults. If we fight for a long time, we will probably be stronger.
Not worried about Meng Zhouzhou, she is going to read a "Prisoner in Prison"
CCTV moderator: This time in this context, you are not worried about her future?
Ren Zhengfei: Don't worry. Because now my daughter is also very optimistic, she is self-study five or six homework, she is going to read a "doctor in prison" to come out and complete this doctoral degree in prison.
She is not idle, she is very busy every day. Every time I call, her mother answers the phone or her husband answers the phone and says that she is very busy. I said that I was too busy to pick up the phone. She said that she was very busy and very fulfilling.
Image source: Huawei for the picture
CCTV host: Where is she now?
Ren Zhengfei: In Vancouver, under house arrest. She is under house arrest and not imprisoned. She is surrounded by police, but life is still free.
CCTV moderator: If she continues this situation for a long time.
Ren Zhengfei: The key US and Canada are the rule of law. You have to prove through evidence that she is guilty. We are completely in the right place, and the world is sensational. The main headline of Canada’s largest newspaper headline reads that the Meng’s night boat incident is a typical national violation. Just like the headline of our People’s Daily is written about this incident, do you think that we are not rational, will people write such things?
Hai Si was a hero. He went home to have a wife’s praise.
CCTV presenter: Hai Si has been almost like a hero in the minds of everyone in recent times.
Ren Zhengfei: It was originally a hero. How much do you want their medals to take? How high is this rank and how much income is in all aspects. I asked them, they said they were unknown. I said that the money is less? Quite a lot. That's it.
CCTV moderator: Why do you want to use the standard of money to ask?
Ren Zhengfei: Just kidding, they also want to publicize it, not allowed. Their mobile phone research and development people also ran to the stage to give a speech, we criticized, honestly go back to the research room, do not go to the community to talk about, let them engage in sales, do not talk about your research and development.
CCTV host: Why?
Ren Zhengfei: Working hard, not doing well, what is the result of Zhang Yang?
CCTV moderator: If they are always squatting, can they prove that they are doing well or not doing well?
Ren Zhengfei: How can they lie? Going back to his wife to praise him, his wife went out to buy a few bags a day, and came back and said that you can see this package is not good, isn’t it to praise him? He doesn't earn so much money, what does his wife buy to buy?
CCTV host: The outside world does not know.
Ren Zhengfei: Why do you know the outside world? I don't think it needs to be known outside. Those who go to the country to receive the awards are not true inventors. They will not let the real inventors go to the awards, and they will stupidly put his photos on the Internet. You see that the photos of He Tingbo are fake on the Internet. I have often seen it recently that her photos are real in a small amount, and most of the time she is not her.
Huawei Director, President of Hisilicone, President of 2012 Lab He Tingbo Photo source: Huawei official website
CCTV moderator: Others call it a spare tire. They also call themselves a spare tire. What do you call them?
Ren Zhengfei: They are not asked to have spare tires. They are the same departments as our market system and R&D system. They are usually getting wages and getting bonuses. Everyone is wearing the same red flowers.
Almost sold to American companies
CCTV moderator: Just in 2004 or even earlier, Sino-US relations are all normal, and the international supply chain is all right. Why do you expect that if the world is not normal?
Ren Zhengfei: I said this thing. We used to sell the company to a US company for 10 billion US dollars. Because we all know that we will collide with the United States when we continue to develop, and we must collide.
When it was sold to others, the contract was signed and all the procedures were completed. Then we put on the flower clothes, run on the beach, run the game, and play table tennis. But the board of directors of the US company changed that week, and the new chairman rejected the acquisition. So good, let's talk back and we will sell it again.
Financial Times related reports
I am a surrender and a compromise in our company. I want to let everything happen. The young radicals are determined not to sell. I said that after ten years and the United States encountered on the hill, we must not fight their bayonets. When they climbed the southern slope, they climbed with beef and coffee. We climbed the slope with dry food. It might not be as good as the mountains. We must have thoughts. Prepare and prepare a spare tire plan.
Some people say that 5G will split into two standards in the future? I don't think so. Because humans have finally unified a standard and serve the common global cloud society, the two standards are two clouds, which are difficult to blend.
Under such a premise, the United States today hit us down from the north slope, and we slid down a little bit of snow and climbed up the slope. But one day, the two armies will climb to the top of the mountain. At this time, we will never fight with the Americans, we will hug, we cheer, for the human digital, information service victory conference, a variety of standard victory teachers, our ideal is to serve humanity, not to make money, but Isn't it better to eliminate others? Is it better to be able to serve humanity together?
I never want to be a hero.
CCTV moderator: When the United States is in a downturn, I feel that you are a national hero. Would you like to accept such a title?
Ren Zhengfei: Do not accept, bear. I am not a hero at all, I never want to be a hero. At any time we are doing a commercial thing, the sale of goods does not represent a political attitude.
How to buy an Apple mobile phone is not patriotic? How can I see this? That is still open to people. Commodities are commodities, and goods are made up of personal preferences. There is no relationship at all. Media hype is sometimes extreme, and radical ideas are prone to populism, which is not good for a country.
Image source: CCTV video screenshot
CCTV presenter: Then, do you think that you want the people to face a company like Huawei with a mentality?
Ren Zhengfei: I don't need it. I hope they don't have a mentality. They are quiet and honest. They should do what they do. It is a contribution to the country for the country to produce a potato. To say a word, waste other people's ears, right?
Poorly poor teachers
The fundamental problem is the level of science and technology education.
CCTV presenter: Your parents have told you not to be a teacher for the rest of your life.
Ren Zhengfei: Yes.
CCTV moderator: But you look back at your life and have been paying attention to education almost all the time. Why?
Ren Zhengfei: Because my parents are rural teachers, my parents told us that this life is not allowed to be a teacher. We are not allowed to be a choice for our life. But we are not allowed to be teachers in this life. We are very impressed. Sure enough, we did not have a teacher later.
But the teacher is the engineer of the human soul. What if there is no teacher? The problem is to change the policy for teachers. So I said that we can't be poor and poor teachers, that is to say, we must invest in the future, just like our strategic investment. The amount of money we give to the professors every year is huge.
If our country is also like education, education is also the future of the country. If our education is like Japan, like Northern Europe, like Germany, like this, then what is our country worried about the competition with the United States? This year, I can't do it. I will come out with a few excellent people next year, and I will lead and rush to Shangganling. If our teachers are not treated well, children and excellent people are not willing to be teachers. It will only be a Matthew effect, getting worse and worse. Good people are willing to be teachers, and they will only get better and better.
CCTV moderator: We have put this education background a little wider. If education is such a status quo, how can we face the Sino-US trade dispute that is likely to continue now and in the future?
Ren Zhengfei: I think that the fundamental problem of Sino-US trade is the level of science and technology education. The country must be open to have a future. However, opening up must be to keep fit, and the ultimate in physical fitness is to have a cultural quality.
CCTV moderator: So I can understand why you are reperposing Sino-US trade disputes in everyone. In the context of this concern, when you are in the future of Huawei, you don't care about this. What you care about is our education.
Ren Zhengfei: Yes, Huawei's future does not need to think about it. The people below us should think clearly. They just want to get my support. I don't need to worry about Huawei's too many things. I am already awkward at Huawei. This is why people come to ask you if you count, don't ask me, I don't know.
(This article is based on CCTV News "face to face" program, Bloomberg TV Bloomberg Daybreak program, etc., without the speaker review)
央视、彭博接连专访！任正非：华为现在做的东西，美国还没有做出来呢
中国经济网 2019-05-27 07:56:55
来源：每日经济新闻
5月21日，华为创始人兼CEO任正非接受了中央广播电视总台央视记者董倩的专访。5月26日晚21：30，这段采访内容在央视新闻频道《面对面》节目播出。
在不到十小时后，北京时间今天（27日）凌晨6点，任正非又“亮相”大洋彼岸的彭博电视台节目。每经小编（微信号：nbdnews）注意到，这次播放的是任正非25日在华为总部接受的采访片段。
彭博电视台直播截图
考虑到在此之前，他曾接受日本媒体的采访和国内媒体的群访等。短短几个月内如此高密度、高强度接受采访，在任正非1987年创办华为之后，几乎是从来没有出现过的情况。
用央视主持人白岩松的话讲，“120多天之前，他面临的局面是女儿孟晚舟被有的国家软禁；而现在，华为被有的国家硬禁。”
面对当下时局，央视记者董倩在专访中直截了当地提问，“华为是不是已经到了最危险、最为难的时候？”
图片来源：央视视频截图
面对这样颇为犀利的问题，任正非给出了一连串振奋人心的精彩回答。
而在北京时间27日凌晨6点，彭博电视台播放了亚太区记者汤姆·麦肯齐在华为总部对任正非的采访片段。麦肯齐在采访后也对纽约演播室的主持人表示，他被任总“举重若轻”的沉稳气度给深深折服了。
任正非气度打动美国记者
在27日，彭博电视台亚太早段新闻Bloomberg Daybreak栏目第一时间播出了任正非接受采访的片段。
彭博电视台直播截图
栏目一开始，坐在北京演播室的记者汤姆·麦肯齐便对纽约总部主持人表示，他在采访期间为任正非举重若轻的气质深深折服。
“在我们外人看来，华为好像面临着生死存亡关头一样，但任总给我的印象却是非常放松淡定。他也十分健谈，我们聊了很多话题他都无话不说，知无不言。”
在谈到特朗普的禁令决定时，任正非笑道，在他看来，特朗普发的很多条推特都十分可笑，自相矛盾，无法自圆其说。
“美国从来没有买过我的东西，怎么跟我谈啥判啊。将来他想买，我还不一定卖给他呢。这种情况没有必要谈，我会忽略特朗普，那么他也找不到人来谈判了。”
紧接着，麦肯齐抛出一个尖锐问题：国际上有人认为，华为的发展成就是靠盗窃美国技术得来的，对这种观点你怎么看？
任正非表示，
“那我是在盗窃美国明天的技术咯，因为（华为现在做的东西）美国都没有做出来，我去哪里偷他的技术？
更有可能是美国来偷我们的技术差不多，因为我们目前是领先美国的。如果我们是落后的，那么特朗普也不会这么费劲打我们了。他打我们就是因为我们先进他才打嘛。”
麦肯齐随后提出，有人担忧中国会对苹果公司产品进行制裁作为反击手段。对此任正非坚决表示，绝对不会！
“如果有（这种情况）的话，我一定第一个出来反对。苹果是世界上最伟大的公司，没有苹果来展现这个互联网世界，我们也无法领略这个世界的美。
苹果也是我们的老师，作为学生，我们为什么要去和老师对着干呢？我绝不会这样做的。”
图片来源：麦肯齐个人推特账号
对于任正非展露的宽广心胸和开放的心态，麦肯齐也表示印象深刻。
而面对央视记者的专访，任正非则足足聊了150分钟，更加详细地回答各方面的提问。
华为现在在最佳状态 准备打持久战
央视主持人：当很多人知道我来采访您的时候，他们都希望我问的第一个问题，就是华为是不是已经到了最危险、最为难的时候？
任正非：不会，孟晚舟事件没发生的时候，我们公司是到了最危险的时刻。大家的口袋都有钱了，不服从分配，不愿意去艰苦地方工作，这是危险状态了。
现在，我们公司全员振奋，铲除平庸，战斗力蒸蒸日上。这个时候我们怎么会到了最危险时候呢？应该是在最佳状态了。
图片来源：央视直播截图
央视主持人：您准备怎么去面对未来也许会长期存在的中美经贸摩擦？
任正非：我们是准备打持久战的，我们没有准备打短期突击，持久战越打，我们可能就会越强大了。
不担心孟晚舟，她准备读一个“狱中博士”
央视主持人：这一次在这样的背景下，您担不担心她未来怎么样？
任正非：不担心。因为现在我女儿本身也很乐观，她自己在自学五六门功课，她准备读一个“狱中博士”出来，在监狱里面完成这个博士学历出来。
她也没有闲着，每天忙得很，我每次打电话的时候，她妈接电话或者她老公接电话说忙得很。我说忙得很也赶快过来接个电话，她说很忙的，充实得很。
图片来源：华为供图
央视主持人：她现在在哪里？
任正非：在温哥华，软禁状态。她是软禁不是监禁，四周都有警察包围着的，但是生活还是自由的。
央视主持人：如果她这种情况持续很长的话。
任正非：关键美国和加拿大是法治国家，你要通过证据来证明她有没有罪。我们完全站在理上，世界都轰动了。加拿大最大的报纸头版头条的主要标题就写着，孟晚舟事件是典型的国家违法事件。就像我们人民日报大标题写的是这个事件，你想一想我们不在理上，人家会写这样的东西吗？
海思本来就是英雄 回家有老婆表扬
央视主持人：海思在近段时间以来，在所有人的心目中几乎像一个英雄一样。
任正非：它本来就是一个英雄，你想他们奖牌拿了多少，这个职级有多高，各方面的收入有多少，我就问过他们，他们说默默无闻。我说钱少了吗？不少。那就行了嘛。
央视主持人：您为什么要用钱这个标准来问？
任正非：开玩笑，他们也想去张扬一下，不允许。他们那个手机研发的人也跑到台上去演讲，我们就批评，老老实实回到科研室去，不要去社会上讲，让他们搞销售的去讲，你那个搞研发的不要去讲。
央视主持人：为什么？
任正非：踏踏实实干活，活没干好，张扬有什么结果？
央视主持人：如果他们始终憋着，能证明他们是干好还是没干好？
任正非：他们怎么会憋着？回去老婆老表扬他，他老婆一天出去买好几个包，回来就说你看这包好不好看，不就是表扬他了吗？他不挣那么多钱老婆拿什么去买包？
央视主持人：外界不知道。
任正非：为什么要外界知道呢？我觉得不需要外界知道。去到国家领奖的人不是真发明人，不会让真的发明人去领奖，还傻乎乎地把他照片贴到网上。你看网上其实何庭波的照片都是假的。我最近经常看到，少量的时候她的照片是真的，多数时候不是她。
华为董事、海思总裁、2012 实验室总裁 何庭波 图片来源：华为官网
央视主持人：别人管它叫备胎，他们自己也管自己叫备胎，您管他们叫什么？
任正非：没有叫他们备胎过，他们是跟我们市场系统、研发系统同等重要的部门，他们就是正常拿工资、拿奖金，人人都一样戴大红花。
差一点卖给美国公司
央视主持人：就在当年2004年甚至更早的时候中美关系一切正常，而且国际供应链一切正常，为什么您会预想假如这个世界不正常怎么办？
任正非：这个东西我这么讲，我们曾经是准备用100亿美金把这个公司卖给一个美国公司，因为我们大家都知道，我们再发展下去就和美国要碰撞，一定要去碰撞。
卖给人家的时候，合同也签订了，所有手续办完了。那么我们穿上花衣服，就在海滩上跑步，比赛跑步，比赛打乒乓球。但是那个星期美国公司的董事会发生变化，新董事长否决了这项收购。那么好，我们回来再讨论，我们还再卖不卖。
Financial Times 相关报道
我在我们公司是投降派、妥协派，什么事情都想让一让，少壮派激进派坚决不卖了。我就说十年之后和美国在山头上遭遇，我们肯定拼不过他们刺刀，他们爬南坡时是带着牛肉咖啡爬坡，我们带着干粮爬坡，可能到山上不如人家，我们要有思想准备，就准备了备胎计划。
有人说5G将来会不会分裂成两种标准？我认为不会的。因为人类好不容易统一了一个标准，为共同的全球云社会服务，两种标准就是两朵云，很难交融。
在这样的前提下，美国今天把我们从北坡往下打，我们顺着雪往下滑一点，再起来爬坡。但是总有一天，两军会爬到山顶。这时我们决不会和美国人拼刺刀，我们会去拥抱，我们欢呼，为人类数字化、信息化服务胜利大会师，多种标准胜利会师，我们理想是为人类服务，又不是为了赚钱，又不是为了消灭别人，大家共同能实现为人类服务不更好吗？
我从来都不想当英雄
央视主持人：美国压境的时候觉得您是民族英雄，您愿意接受这样的称号吗？
任正非：不接受，狗熊。我根本就不是什么英雄，我从来都不想当英雄。任何时候我们是在做一个商业性的东西，商品的买卖不代表政治态度。
怎么买苹果手机就是不爱国？哪能这么看？那还开放给人干什么。商品就是商品，商品是个人喜好构成的，这根本没啥任何关系。媒体炒作有时候偏激，偏激的思想容易产生民粹主义，对一个国家是没好处的。
图片来源：央视视频截图
央视主持人：那您觉得，您希望民众现在用一种什么样的心态面对华为这样的公司？
任正非：不需要，希望他们没心态，平平静静、老老实实种地去，该干什么干什么，多为国家产一个土豆就是对国家的贡献；多说一句话，浪费别人的耳朵，对吧？
再穷不能穷教师
根本问题还是科技教育水平
央视主持人：您的父母曾经告诉您一辈子不要做老师。
任正非：是。
央视主持人：但是您回头看您这一辈子几乎一直在关注教育，为什么？
任正非：因为我父母是乡村教师，父母跟我们讲今生今世不准当老师，对我们人生选择，你做啥都不管，但是今生今世不准做老师，我们印象很深刻。果然我们后来都没有做老师的。
但是老师是人类灵魂的工程师，没有老师这个社会怎么办？问题就要改变对教师的政策。所以我才说再穷不能穷教师，就是说再穷也要对未来投资，就像我们战略投资一样，我们每年给大学那些教授支持的钱数额都是巨大的。
如果我们国家对教育也是这样，教育也是国家的未来，如果我们的教育像日本一样，像北欧一样，像德国一样，像这一样，那我们国家还担心什么和美国竞争的问题？今年稍微不行，明年就出来几个优秀的人，就领着又冲上上甘岭了。如果说我们教师的待遇不高，孩子们、优秀的人都不愿意去当老师，那只会马太效应，越来越差，越来越差。优秀的人愿意当老师，只会越来越优秀。
央视主持人：我们把这个谈教育的背景再放得宽一点，如果教育是这样的现状的话，我们怎么去面对现在以及未来很有可能持续的中美贸易争端？
任正非：我就觉得中美贸易的根本问题还是科技教育水平，国家一定要开放，才有未来。但是开放一定自己要强身健体，强身健体的最终是要有文化素质。
央视主持人：这样我就能理解为什么您在大家都再灌注中美贸易争端，在关注这个背景下，华为的未来的时候，您不关心这个，您关心的是我们的教育。
任正非：对，华为的未来不用我想，我们下面的人就应该想得比较清楚，他们只是希望得到我支持一下就行了。我不需要具体地去操心华为太多的事情。我在华为已经是个傀儡了，这傀儡就是人家来问你一下就算数，不问我，我就不知道。
（本文根据央视新闻《面对面》节目、彭博电视台Bloomberg Daybreak节目等听译整理，未经演讲者审阅）
